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Topic 78 of 99: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave

Sun, Jul 7, 2002 (05:49) | Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi)
A poorly known geophysical phenomena sometimes called the ultimate surfing wave.
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 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 1 of 95: Julie  (cascadeclimber) * Sun, Jul  7, 2002 (16:35) * 1 lines 
 
Hey Rob, great idea for a topic. I knew we were missing something.


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 Response 2 of 95: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Mon, Jul  8, 2002 (02:30) * 15 lines 
 
Very Good idea for this topic Rob. I have already the first question.
I had an unusual experience on 23 of past June. I described it in geo 31/resp. 52. I repeat it here.

I was sitting on a comfortable chair near the sea looking at the Pagasitic gulf the last breathlessness hot night. Full Moon was glass on the quiet sea. I observed something strange. The reflecting on the sea light was making beautiful games but the shape was not straight. It was a non-stable crooked shape. I had the impression that Pagasitic gulf was like a slinky dishpan. I never observed something like this.


Just yesterday I had the following additional information. A very good friend was fishing in the Pagasitic gulf the same moment. He has installed in his boat a very good electronic deep meter that has also indicator for the temperature of the seawater. He has also an expensive GPS meter. He says that were observed the following strange indications that night.
1. Deep meter was not constant. He was observing high variations of about 5 meters with a period of about 5 minutes.
2. The temperature of seawater suddenly changed from 21 C degrees to 28 C degrees.
3. GPS meter was also not constant.
4. He has no explanations since he was not realised what was happening.

I have the impression that they were very long period sea waves. Have you scientific explanation on it? Are observed similar variations in the open sea?

John



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 Response 3 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Mon, Jul  8, 2002 (03:57) * 22 lines 
 
Hi all

I need to explode a few myths. John, I saw you post and I have no answer. Insofar as I am aware, there is no change in sea temperature or change in water body temperature during a tsunami.

Some myths need to be exploded. There are several and I would lying if I said they do not contribute to the sometimes horrendous death tolls these phenomena create. Tsunamis are not mythical. We know about them, but not enough. This post attempts to explode a few myths about tsunamis based on research I did for one of my Geography papers last semester, but for further information, I suggest you have a look at the following book.

TSUNAMI!!! Walter Dudley and Min Lee, 1998, University of Hawaii Press 2nd Ed.

What is a tsunami?

A tsunami is a sea wave generated by a geophysical process like an earthquake, volcanic eruption, or landslide under the sea or on land going into the sea. It has nothing to do with the tide, except that a rising tide may allow it to go further. This is one of the more common misunderstandings.
Another is that a tsunami is one wave. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. A tsunami is a series of waves and the biggest rarely come in first. In Hilo during the 1960 tsunami from Chile (courtesy of a magnitude 9.5 earthquake)the sealevel rose 4 feet above normal just after midnight May 23, then dropped 3 feet below the norm. This was the first wave. At 12.46AM the second wave came rolling on in and was 9 feet above normal. Then all went calm... but the water level was falling even faster. It bottomed out at 1.AM 7 feet below normal, after which many on the shoreline heard a dull rumble. The third wave was coming and this was 20 feet ABOVE normal, after which Hilo and the island of Hawaii was plunged into darkness at 1.05AM. This is the most dangerous of the myths and has cost a lot of lives, because people think it is over so they go home and drown when the bigger ones come.
Tsunamis are not always waves. Sometimes they resemble fast incoming tides. This is possibly dependent on the terrain of the sea floor.
The myth that a falling water level means a tsunami is coming is true, though it may be heightened if an advancing bore is overtaken by a wave giving the wave more height.

The rules of tsunamis:

1)NEVER EVER go to the beach, or any coastal water body, especially if it has direct access to the sea. If you see the waves, the odds are good that someone will be arranging your funeral afterwards.
2)If you feel a strong earthquake and are near the coast, evacuate first and ask questions later. Your safety is paramount.
3)Evacuate on the understanding that you may be gone for several hours, so take medication etc with you and follow the rules for civil defence (ours are found at the back of the Yellow Pages phone book).

Rob


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 Response 4 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jul  8, 2002 (17:28) * 6 lines 
 
Great topic, Rob. I had previously tucked such subjects elsewhere but this is entirely appropriate. *Hugs* for thinking of it.

Walt Dudley is a friend of mine and was instrumental in the creation of the Hilo Tsunami Museum whose webcam shows you what Hilo Bay is like 24/7 live. By all means, read his book. He has done an excellent job on it and I was both delighted and surprised to find Rob using it in New Zealand.

John, there are serious studies about sea wave anomalies. Rogue waves occur and endanger shipping in almost all seas and oceans. Tsunamis are not usually in that category, though. Since they are a direct result of seismicity, the waves are predictable. I have not heard anything to add to this such as temperature or speed changes. The phenomenon you witnessed is curious. I will pass it along to others who are better versed in such things. I still wonder if some sort of surface-breeding sea dwellers were not partially responsible.
Another thought is an opening in the sea floor and something venting into the sea. Black smokers and other volcanic vents are known to do such things. Are they unknown in your Gulf?


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 Response 5 of 95: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Tue, Jul  9, 2002 (03:49) * 15 lines 
 
Hi Marcia and Rob,
Surely, I was not meaning a tsunami effect in my gulf. I just wondered if you have some experience or if you heard some similar phenomenon in your open sea. Anyway it was a good chance to learn some basics on tsunamis from your answer. Thank you Rob and Marcia. It was also a good start to discuss about tsunamis.

I had a long (almost all-night) discussion about that phenomenon in my gulf last night. I had a special visitor with PhD in naval architecture mechanics. His opinion is very interesting:

This phenomenon is common in the sea. Local upward or downward air streams are producing local uplifts or down lifts on the sea surface. So, is produced a very long period sea wave that can have significant height. These waves are appearing without any sense of wind.

Temperature changes of seawater can also follow these dummy waves (I don't know if I use the correct words in English). It is also a common phenomenon!

Black smokers and other volcanic vents are unknown into our seas. But I am thinking that a reason can be also the beginning of increase the Earth's speed around the Sun directly after solstice. My special visitor was not overruled my idea but he says that its effect exists but it is too small.

Ok I close this issue here. I am sorry Rob. I apologise for this unrelated with tsunami report.

John



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 Response 6 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Tue, Jul  9, 2002 (04:38) * 5 lines 
 
Hi all

Sorry John. What I meant was that I thought I should correct a couple of common misunderstandings about tsunamis from the outset. You are not in fault. I intended to say only one thing, but implied TWO things by accident. I am not sure what could have caused the phenomena you speak of, since there was no wind. If it had nothing to do with tides, then I suppose it could have been a tsunami but I cannot judge it since I was not there. But thanks anyway.

Rob


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 Response 7 of 95: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Tue, Jul  9, 2002 (05:10) * 5 lines 
 
Its OK Rob,
Discussion can have similar misunderstandings. Do not worry. We are always learning. I found your explanations very interesting since we have not tsunamis in Greece and I dont know anything about their characteristics. Your explanations are very useful and complete.
Thank you Rob.

John


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 Response 8 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Tue, Jul  9, 2002 (10:59) * 1 lines 
 
this tsunami thing is scary. i talked to a local here and she said that our area is not prime for tsunami. how can i find out for sure? do i need to research the fault lines in the sea?


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 Response 9 of 95: Julie  (cascadeclimber) * Tue, Jul  9, 2002 (13:19) * 2 lines 
 
My geology professor explained to us about southern California's tsunami risk. The Santa Cruz-Santa Catalina Ridge Fault Zone, which may also connect to the San Diego Trough Fault Zone, is located between our coast and Catalina Island. This fault zone poses a threat to our coastline and possible as far inland as the L.A basin. Scientits have found ancient tsunami deposits all the way inland near the L.A basin. Although, there hasn't been a large quake on the fault zone for quite some time , it is capable of producing a magnitude 7.3 quake. There has been small quakes from time to time on the fault zone. But given the fact that its only about 20 miles or so offshore, if the quake is large enough we could be in serious trouble. I asked a scientist from the University of Sothern California Tsunami Research Group if we have a warning system and indeed we do. There is probably other fault lines offshore that may be a problem as well. The Pacific Northwest also has a tsunami risk mainly because they lay on a
ubduction zone. If the Mega Quake I mentioned about in Geo 70 were to occur offshore it would be catasrophic. Oregon and Washington both have dozens of signs all over the place showing tsunami evacuation routes.


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 Response 10 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jul  9, 2002 (15:33) * 4 lines 
 
Julie's right. Southern California is a tsunami waiting to happen. I posted this elswhere (oceanic geo perhaps). All you need is a local landslide of some magnitude. You will not have much warning. Just run inland if you are warned. NOW not in a few minutes after you collect your belongings. RUN!!!
We face the same difficulties in Hawaii. In Kentucky we do not even get a tidal bore on the river, but since we live currently in its flood plain I am content to let it wander peacefully in the valley. I do want to see the remanat river from before the last ice age so I might see what was here before the Mississippi and Ohio rivers were more than just little streams. Not tsunami material but hydrology in any case.

John I envy your conversations with your friend. I would also share the long all-night discussions with Don. If you cannot believe how fast night can disappear during good conversation, I wish that you might find someone as eager to share information as John and I have found. In my case it is archaeology and ethnology. I am being spoiled for any furture life I am presently finding available!


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 Response 11 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Tue, Jul  9, 2002 (16:27) * 1 lines 
 
i've not seen any tsunami evac route signs though in northern louisiana, hurricane evac routes were posted everywhere. more than likely, a tsunami would come in from the west and i sit facing the east on the inner harbor. though i can drive north to point fermin and white's point and there i see catalina island. always thought the gigantic waves would require more distance to gain speed and strength. thanks julie!!


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 Response 12 of 95: Julie  (cascadeclimber) * Wed, Jul 10, 2002 (00:31) * 5 lines 
 
This website might be helpful to those of you who live on the west coast of the U.S. I check it every time we have a significant quake.
http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/
This is the most reccent message from the 5.9M quake located 150 miles west of Coos Bay, Oregon.
http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/message.txt



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 Response 13 of 95: Julie  (cascadeclimber) * Wed, Jul 10, 2002 (00:48) * 2 lines 
 
I found this website that talks about the tsunami risk in the Pacific Northwest. Its basically what I have mentioned already though.
http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/tsunami/cascadia.html


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 Response 14 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Wed, Jul 10, 2002 (07:12) * 9 lines 
 
Hi all

Here is something to unsettle you all. Julie and Marcia have heard it but, not everyone.

The Atlantic and Caribbean coast have a tsunami risk. Both have had tsunami's in historic times and both can expect them again in the future. Take the New Foundland coast for example. It had a tsunami form after a magnitude 7.2 earthquake in 1929 sent a large landslide pouring down the Laurentian Channel into the Cabot trench displaying a lot of water VERY fast. There have also been tsunamis in the Caribbean where in November 1867 a magnitude 7.5 earthquake in the Anegada Trough between St Croix and St Thomas started a tsunami 25-30 feet high roaring into the coastal towns on both islands.

Warning tourists about tsunamis according Walter Dudley is something of a taboo for tourism business operators because they want the tourists to come back and not be scared by a tsunami. So it is said that little has been done to inform tourists - no brochures or basic information from rental car agencies and so on, little or no information about the do's and don'ts when a WARNING is issued, and unfortunately I can confirm this is true and correct. Having been to Hawaii I remember nothing about what to do and what not to do.

Rob


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 Response 15 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jul 10, 2002 (10:27) * 4 lines 
 
Walt dudley has discovered what John has also discovered for Greece. Natural hazards which are "unpredictable" and deadly are never mentioned. Head in the sand is the usual way it is treated. It seems they would rather not know and thus not be responsible for what happens!

I do worry that Greece is both in the water and prone to earthquakes. Can uit be true that they are not susceptible to tsunamis? That seems impossible.



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 Response 16 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Jul 11, 2002 (03:03) * 5 lines 
 
Hi all

Marcia, and others, please direct yourself to a copy of the July 2000 National Geographic. It deals with the 1999 Turkey earthquake which I deem relevant because of the Turks proximity to the islands of Greece. Turkey was rocked badly in the year of 1999 by a magnitude 7.4 earthquake on the Anatolian fault, which also runs offshore and I have reason to believe that the islands of Greece would be at risk from tsunamis in several ways. First you recall the eruption of Santorini? That generated a tsunami that accelerated the demise of the Minoan civilisation. Secondly, even if Greece is not likely to be hit by local tsunamis one should not forget tsunamis from say Italy or the Balkans (Skopje, Yugoslavia, was hit by a bad earthquake in 1963 and Udine in Italy had two in the 1980s. Finally as if all that is not enough, what about the volcanoes of the Lipari islands?

Rob


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 Response 17 of 95: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Thu, Jul 11, 2002 (04:55) * 18 lines 
 
Thank you Rob,
I have to add some information about recent big EQs in my neighbourhood.

Turkey was rocked badly in the second half of the year of 1999 by two very strong EQs on the Anatolian fault:

1999 08 17 00:01:39 40.75N 29.86E 17 7.8 MsGS
1999 11 12 16:57:20 40.76N 31.16E 10 7.5 MsGS

During the first one, Anatolian plate was moved westwards almost 2 meters. A coastal Turkish hamlet at the Aegean Sea was disappeared from the face of Earth 25 meters under the water surface. About a thousand people lost there as I watch in TV these days.

During the second one, Anatolian plate was moved westwards almost 1.5 meters more.

None tsunami is observed. The same is happened with Skyros EQ on 2001 July 26th. Was M=6.4Ms with epicentre inside the Sea. A fisherman, who was fishing above the epicentre, observed the seawater boiling. He heard also a strong husky sound simultaneously. That was all.

Eventuality for tsunami in Greece exists but is very small. None talk about it in Greece. (Seismologist or not). People are completely uninformed.

John



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 Response 18 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jul 17, 2002 (17:28) * 1 lines 
 
Your research in these events (predicting them in advance - see John's portal page research links! Their lack of informing the pulic is nothing short of mismanagement bordering on complete mistrust. It is unconscionable!


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 Response 19 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jul 17, 2002 (17:30) * 1 lines 
 
I do not know what saves Greece from Tsunami, but feel happy if that is the case. I worry because that gulf you live on looks right for creating a real disaster! Hily Bay is just like it but has a wider mouth.


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 Response 20 of 95: George  (Geocoast) * Fri, Jul 19, 2002 (15:18) * 6 lines 
 
Marcia, you are right to be skeptical about Greece being safe from tsunamis. John, some of your statements in resp.17 are right and wrong at the same time! I will explain:
At the epicentral area the seismic waves come vertically up from the sea floor and produce the "boiling sea" effect. This effect may be amplified by gases escaping from the sea-floor sediments. Tsunamis start to develop appreciably at some distance from the epicenter, where the oscillation that is produced by the EQ or by the mass movement that is triggered by the EQ reaches the sea surface at an oblique angle and become dangerous when their height increases due to shoaling as they reach shallow water. So the fisherman was not expected to observe a tsunami, anyway.
Tsunamis are commonly miscalled "tidal waves". The equivalent greek term is "palirroic (=tidal) waves". These terms are misleading, since tsunamis have nothing to do with tidal forces, and during the last two or three decades scientists have agreed to replace these terms with the Japanese term "Tsunami". However, most people know tsunamis by their old name (and most of them have heard stories about the destruction of ports and coastal cities by "tidal waves"). Even some scientists are reluctant to adopt the Japanese term and prefer to use descriptive terms, such as "sea waves due to landslides".
Tsunamis are rare in Greece compared to the Pacific Ocean, but so are large EQs and significant submarine mass movements. Historically, however, greek coasts have had their fair share of tsunamis. These are described in an interesting monograph by Prof. I. Antonopoulos (1973), entitled "Tsunamis of the Eastern Mediterranean from Antiquity until Today" (in greek). There are also several scientific papers (mostly unknown to the general public) describing the effects or evidence of tsunamis on greek coasts.
Perhaps one of the best known and most destructive tsunamis in Greece is the one that followed the great eruption of the volcano of Thera (Santorini) around 1500 B.C. Most archaeologists believe that the destruction of ports and coastal cities by that tsunami was one of the primary causes of the decline of the Minoan civilization in Crete. Many archaeologists link this event to the legend of Atlantis.
So, although few people are informed about "tsunamis", most know "tidal waves" quite well!


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 Response 21 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jul 19, 2002 (23:48) * 3 lines 
 
Unhappily, Hilo is past due for the next Tsunami. Many have died from thos in the past so a monthly test of the sirens warning us to flee the waterfront is held and respected. None take it for granted. Hilo Bay is perfectly formed to encourage waves from the north to build up to enormous heights before slamming ashore in sets of 4-5 waves.The first one is seldom the one doing most of the damage.

Archaeologists and geologists alike have studied the layers of Thera's past tu understand the impact on humankind in that area. I would truly love to see that part of the world. Perhaps I might add an entirely different lava sample to my collection?! Please look at it with my eyes next time you are there.


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 Response 22 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jul 19, 2002 (23:52) * 1 lines 
 
I need to sleep a bit before I post more. My typing has gone astray and I do not see the errors until it is permanently part of the Internet. Forgive me!


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 Response 23 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Jul 20, 2002 (05:55) * 80 lines 
 
Hi all

A warm wind blew across the sand spit as the two whitebaiters gathered their gear up after a day on the Wairau River catching the delicacy for a hearty meal of whitebait patties. They were seasoned fishermen who had spent much of their lives on or near the coast and they knew the untamed power of the sea was a sight to behold. Wayne packed away the nets while Derrick put the whitebait in safe storage for the journey home. Despite the great weather and glorious northwest arch framing the western horizon the two men however had another reason to be leaving: they had heard a tsunami warning be broadcast on the radio. Although neither had experienced one, they had heard terrifying stories about people vanishing during the waves. Both had family and neither was in a great rush to leave their children fatherless. They had also lived through an earthquake of quite astonishing power. After the quake both had phoned home to their families in Kaikoura see what state their houses were in. They were far enough south th
t they had no real damage. A couple loose ornaments had come of the shelf but nothing serious.

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Wayne Jack stretched out in the deck chair he was sitting in, while watching a man approach him with two Speights and pulled another one up next to him. He nodded at Derrick Jamieson as the latter handed him one of the two cans he was carrying. Derrick sat down and pulled the tab off while admiring a brave (and stupid)driver cautiously inch his sports car over the rough gravel surface of the stopbank, before deciding to stop because the stones were too big. It was a glorious day, with a northwest arch forming overhead, and pleasantly warm temperatures on a mid October Sunday. A gentle wind blew over and the outline of a high flying jet could be made out miles above them.
"Cheers Derrick, and here's to your son getting engaged," Wayne offered an impromptu toast, remembering Derrick's eldest son David being engaged.
"Cheers. I got out of the spa and he was sitting in the lounge with his girl. They had driven all the way from Picton just to tell us that they were getting married and were planning to go into town for a drink and then on to see friends," Wayne replied. He put the can down and stood up. "Better lift the net".
Derrick nodded, and sipped on his beer while reading the newspaper. All seemed sweet. No one around, little wind and perfect weather.
Wayne came back, and sat down. "One cockabully and two bait - nothing else." He picked up another section of the paper on the ground next to him and placed it on his lap. He was about to pick the beer, when the ground seemed to sway. Wayne stopped and waited. Thinking nothing more of it he picked up the beer and took a mouthful, swished it around before swallowing. All seemed calm and well.

The calm suddenly came to an end with an almighty jolt, throwing both from their chairs. A distant rumble became a roar as the ground heaved ho and the cars shook and rattled with the shaking. Both remained frozen to the spot, in shock as the earthquake subsided not believing what had happened. It was Derrick who recovered first. He immediately went to the car and yanked open the glove box. Frantically he dialled his home number, and was to put it mildly relieved when his wife of fifteen years answered.
"So you didn't feel the earthquake?" Derrick could not quite believe his ears.
"No, we felt the earthquake but no damage was done, bar a huge clatter of soot down the chimney, and a couple ornaments come off," Lynne answered.
"Whew! We had it bad here. I was having a beer and we were thrown from the chairs we were in, so I thought you might have had it much worse. Well I might stay here since we are doing steady business with the nets. Be home tomorrow. Love you. Bye". Derrick switched it off and handed it to Wayne. Again nothing much had happened, except that Waynes wife, Robin was worried about the tsunami risk.
"Don't worry honey. We'll have the radio going to hear radio warnings, so if something is coming we will get out okay. Love you, bye." Wayne turned it off and gave the cellphone back to Derrick.
"Lets stay shall we? We can run if there is a tsunami warning issued."
"Yeah, okay," Derrick replied. So, after turning the radio on for updates (unaware the radio station was a wreck), they went back to the whitebaiting.

Constable Jacqueline Harris was just finishing a coffee in the Blenheim police station when the building shook massively. Knowing it was an earthquake, she dived for cover and yelled to the Civil Defence officer in the Police Emergency room nextdoor to put out an alert. Beams creaked and groaned, but the building remained upright. The shock was just wearing off when a siren sounded.
Jeez!! That was quick, Constable Harris thought as she hauled herself to her feet and surveyed the damage. Cracked walls and bits of plaster missing from the ceiling, but for an earthquake of that intensity it had done well.
"Constable!! Constable Harris, would you and Constable Rob Michaels activate a Civil Defence alert and tell the District council it's being co-ordinated from the Police station," a burly man called from an adjacent room.

Under the sea, in the Hikurangi Trench something sinister was happening. A landslide of massive proportions was sliding down the canyon side and into the Trench with impossible speed. On the surface no one noticed, but a monstrous tsunami had just been tripped. It would storm ashore not more than a half hour after it was tripped.

Across Cook Strait in Wellington chaos reigned. The Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences in nearby Lower Hutt had not only felt the earthquake, but a staff member had reported strange water fluctuations in the Hutt River. Seiches. That had started alarm bells ringing and with good reason, for unbeknownst but suspected anyway, a landslide in the Hikurangi trench had just displaced a huge mass of water. It was 2.38PM and a tsunami was about to start.
They had plotted the location of the earthquake and the answer was not what anyone wanted to hear, but downed phone lines meant it was difficult to get the message out.

Still the Police in Blenheim had a sixth sense in Constable Harris. As she talked to the Civil Defence officials she remembered that an offshore earthquake could start a tsunami. Her blood went cold and her face went pale. She however quickly composed herself and called Constable Michaels.
"Rob. A tsunami may have been generated. I cannot do anything myself but I suggest you and another officer go the coast and clear the beaches. Take a microphone or get a helicopter and broadcast the warnings from the air. I will keep you informed and also get a chopper organised. Go to Woodbourne."
The dark haired man next to her nodded and waved a third officer over. After a minutes discussion, they grabbed their caps and ran out the door. On the road they had to negotiate fallen power poles and on more than one occasion go onto the footpath.
Outside the city things were in better shape. As the two officers approached Woodbourne Airforce Base, another aftershock set in. They pulled over and waited it out, before continuing. The base had some damage to buildings and people were running about checking installations and equipment for damage. They pulled up near the Enquiries office.
Back at the police station, a call for Constable Harris came. A tsunami warning was in force. Could she get the beaches and other coastal water bodies evacuated? She said she would do her best.
Just before they got out of the car, Constable Harris called them to confirm the tsunami. Would they now evacuate everyone? In the air, they saw that there were several fires burning in Blenheim and damaged buildings were everywhere. The pilot swooped the helicopter in low over the coast as Constable Michaels began broadcasting a warning:


ATTENTION PEOPLE ON THE BEACH: A TSUNAMI WARNING IS IN FORCE. YOU ARE VERY STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO EVACUATE THE COASTLINE AND ALL COASTAL WATERBODIES IMMEDIATELY. REPEAT: A TSUNAMI WARNING IS IN FORCE YOU ARE VERY STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO EVACUATE THE COASTLINE AND ALL COASTAL WATER BODIES IMMEDIATELY.

Derrick and Wayne were busy checking their nets for whitebait, having had some success and thoroughly encouraged by the results they were getting, were looking to set up where there was still some current. The tide was rising and the sun was starting to set in the west but the weather remained brilliantly warm and sunny. Wayne was just putting his net back in the water when he heard a dull thud, thud, thud, of an approaching helicopter. Looking up, he was quite surprised to see one flying at tree top height before him, and as it approached, he noticed a man with a bullhorn.

ATTENTION PEOPLE ON THE BEACH: A TSUNAMI WARNING IS IN FORCE. YOU ARE VERY STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO EVACUATE THE COASTLINE AND ALL COASTAL WATERBODIES IMMEDIATELY. REPEAT: A TSUNAMI WARNING IS IN FORCE YOU ARE VERY STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO EVACUATE THE COASTLINE AND ALL COASTAL WATER BODIES IMMEDIATELY.

As the chopper flew over the officer made a motion with his arms signalling them to move. Derrick saw it and nodded at the officer.
"Wayne! We have to move. There is a tsunami coming. We need to get out of here."
Derrick ran downstream toward Wayne. He knew that minutes might count because they did not know where the tsunami was coming from. It was time to move.

The helicopter flew low over a bunch of surprised fishermen and a family with young children and broadcast the same warning. The fishermen began to pack up, but the family (a group of tourists)stayed. They did not know what was happening, though they had felt the earthquake strongly. None of them knew about the danger that was speeding towards them at the impressive speed of 460 miles per hour. But they soon would.

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Wayne had just placed the nets in the boot of the Toyota Landcruiser when Derrick shouted:
"The water is retreating in mid tide. We have to run for it!!"
Wayne ran down to the river. Sure enough despite being an hour from high tide, the water was steadily retreating. The first wave was only a few minutes away.
They forgot about packing the rest of their gear and just threw it in the back of the vehicle, before retreating from the riverbed as fast as they dared on the stopbank.
A few minutes later the first wave washed up the river. It submerged the spot where Wayne and Derrick had been just minutes before in 6 inches of water. Within minutes it was retreating again....

Downstream Amelia and her husband John were playing with their three year old son Tim and their six year old daughter Kate. Being tourists, the last thing that was on their mind was how the sea could be a threat to them, a full kilometre from the mouth of the Wairau River. They were about to get a painful crash course in tsunamis. Amelia and John were building sand castles with their backs to the river when water suddenly began pouring over the sand castles and around their legs. At first they thought a jet boat had gone past, but there had been no noise. Jack began to cry. His sandcastle was a mess and the water had wrenched the plastic spade in his hand from him. They were just starting to rebuild the castles when a car pulled up. It was Derrick and Wayne. They had seen the family on the river bed from the stopbanks.

"Excuse me!!! You are in danger from the tsunami. The big wave that came was the start of a tsunami. The next waves will be bigger."
John came up to the van. "I am sorry but I don't know what this is all about."
"Did you feel the earthquake?" Wayne asked.
"Yes."
"Well it has started a dangerous phenomena called a tsunami. The helicopter warning was the police trying to clear the coast incase people got killed. These are dangerous waves, and if you stay you are almost certainly going to get hurt."
"It was just a wave," John replied.
"Please listen. A tsunami is more than one wave. And the latter waves are almost always bigger..." Derrick trailed as a dull rumble reached his ears. In his rear vision mirror he could see another surge of water rushing up the river, a full 5 feet high (9 feet near the coast).
"LETS GO!!!! Be back" Wayne shouted as Derrick accelerated away down the road. John turned and saw the broken crest sweeping toward them. It collided with their rented Toyota Corolla with impossible force rolling it over and pushing it against the stopbank, albeit upright. Barely avoiding Amelia, Jack and Kate it swept on up the river for another kilometre, killing several sheep who had strayed from an adjacent paddock.
As soon as the wave subsided John and Amelia scoped up the kids and piled them into the car. John tried to start the engine but got no response. Then he saw Derrick and Wayne returning. What the.. they must be mad, he thought.
Derrick pulled up near them, "You better come with us, cause this may not be the worst," he called out. "Get in."
After seeing what a tsunami could do the family was only too happy to pile in.
A glance back, showed the water already retreating again. The next wave was not far away and when it came it would give them the fright of their lives.
As Derrick drove away, the third wave was starting to form into monstrous dimensions offshore. The previous two had battered down the sand dunes protecting low lying farmland behind them, and now a third wave was set to pour through the gashes in the natural defences.
He was about to turn onto the soon to be appropriately named Watery Road, when another rumble reached his ears. Turning around he saw a mass of foaming water pouring through the breached sand dunes 1.5km away. It swept across farmland and through a couple holiday homes, clean bowling them of the foundations. As he watched in fascination Amelia suddenly noticed the wave cresting over the stopbanks a couple hundred metres behind them.
"RUN!!!! RUN FOR IT" She screamed. Derrick took one look and stepped on the gas pedal accelerating at speed away from the intersection as bits of trees, houses and other debris swept over the stopbanks and onto the road.
Tim and Kate were crying. Their holiday was in ruins, and now the Mason family had no transport, for when the Toyota was found, it was a write off. In a few terrifying minutes the tsunami had gone from a nuisance to a nightmare that was imprinted on the minds of them all.

In the aftermath of the tsunami several families were made homeless and property damage in the order of $1,000,000 had been reported. Wayne and Derrick took the Masons back to their motel, had dinner with them and helped sort out a rental car for the remainder of their holidays. The Masons were overwhelmed by the generosity and invited both to visit them in Minnesota. Tim and Kate had counselling for nightmares suffered from the experience of dealing with one of natures least known dangers, for the trauma had been imprinted in their memories for eternity. But they were grateful in every sense of the word; grateful for being alive, for Derrick and Wayne's help and for the generosity of the rental car company in allowing them another car to use.

Rob


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 24 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Jul 20, 2002 (11:32) * 1 lines 
 
The older generation in Hilo has similar stories to tell of the 1960 and 1946 Tsunamis which devastated much of old downtown Hilo and took out the railroad tracks, permanently. Thanks for the narrative. That is not a thing to be talken lightly!


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 Response 25 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Aug 18, 2002 (21:23) * 46 lines 
 
Japan faces tidal wave threat

Scientists in Japan have discovered a fault in
the seabed off the country's coast with the
potential to unleash a giant "tsunami" tidal
wave.

The newly-detected fault lies
off the south-eastern coast
of Japan and may have been
responsible for the
magnitude 8.1 earthquake
which struck the country in
1944, they say.

Jin-Oh Park and his
colleagues at Jamstec,
the Japan Marine
Science and Technology Center, say that an
earthquake along the fault would threaten
cities along the Japanese coast.

The fault is close enough to the Japanese
coast for there to be only minutes between a
substantial earthquake along it and the
tsunami reaching land.

Uncharted sea bed

The fault, which lies close to where the
Philippine Sea plate is sinking beneath the
Eurasian plate, is only dozens of kilometres
away from land.

"Any tsunami would hit the mainland with only
a few minutes' warning," explained Bill McGuire,
director of the UK's Benfield Greig Hazard
Research Centre.

"Most people in Japan live
along the coast and
evacuating them in only a
few minutes would be
impossible," he said.

more... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2195871.stm


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 26 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Sun, Nov 24, 2002 (02:24) * 11 lines 
 
Hi all

If I had to produce a movie, I would do mine on tsunamis. Tsunamis are not mysterious, and we know about the processes that drive them, how they work and so on. But yet they can kill thousands of people, thousands of kilometres from the source.

My pick for tsunami would be a realistic one and that means I would was an actual event rather than making one up. With that in mind my first choice would be the May 22 1960 Chilean tsunami. It was a Pacific-wide event that was experienced in New Zealand, Chile, Japan, Hawaii, French Polynesia, and Easter Island.
The tsunami was generated by an exceptionally massive earthquake, now thought to have registered a colossal magnitude 9.5. The earthquake was the third of three which started a chain reaction as the shaking spread across the sea floor.
It is thought that the trouble started the day before the main event, when a magnitude 7.5 earthquake occurred. A tsunami watch was issued, but cancelled a few hours after the expected arrival time of any waves. But the Chilean Navy decided to keep a permanent watch on a tidal gauge at Valapiroso. Their prudence was justified. The following day the ground shook again, but barely had this second magnitude 7.5 event started when an even bigger event started offshore. It lasted about 7 minutes and clocked in at 9.5. Unto this day, it is the biggest earthquake known to man. The tsunami generated devastated the Chilean coast killing more than 2000 people. Spreading at break neck speed across the Pacific, it hammered Hilo in Hawaii between 12.30AM and 1.05 when the biggest wave stormed ashore, killing 60 people. From there it moved west toward Japan and killed 140 people along the eastern seaboard. In New Zealand it disrupted shipping movements in and out of Lyttelton Harbour for 8 hours.

I have even worked out my opening shot. It would be shot on a beach with a short blurb, like the one seen at the start of Tora! Tora! Tora! The blurb would read something like this: "On May 23, 1960 an earthquake in Chile started a tsunami that was experienced all over the Pacific basin."

Rob


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 27 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Nov 24, 2002 (07:01) * 21 lines 
 
I found a real good introductory page on tsunamis at

http://www.geophys.washington.edu/tsunami/intro.html

This recalls the conversation we had about the Patrick Swayze/Lori Petty movie Point Break about the wave of the century in Australia. How does the tsunami you describe in 1960 compare to the 1975 Hawaii tsunami?

Listing from the above website of great tsunamis:

1929 Grand Banks, Canada
1946 Aleutian Islands, Alaska
1952 Kamchatka Peninsula, Russia
1957 Aleutian Islands, Alaska
1960 Chile
1964 Prince Williams Sound, Alaska
1975 Hawaii

with detail of the 1960 event:

http://www.geophys.washington.edu/tsunami/general/historic/chilean60.html

Damage estimates were half a billion dollars.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 28 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Tue, Nov 26, 2002 (00:38) * 7 lines 
 
Hi all

The 1975 tsunami was locally generated, and did not come from the other side of the equator, in that the geophysical force driving it originated off the Hawaiian coast. Because of this there were only minutes of warning as opposed to hours for the 1960 Chilean tsunami. The 1960 tsunami was a Pacific-wide event in that it was experienced in Japan, Hawaii, New Zealand, the West Coast of the US, and at East Island. Insofar as I am aware, there was no damage outside of Hawaii in the 1975 event.

Both were generated by earthquakes, with the 1960 earthquake being the largest earthquake known to mankind - registering a colossal magnitude 9.5 on the open ended richter scale (be careful of using the Richter scale as such because although it is bandied around in the media, different scales are applied for different earthquakes. An example is the moment magnitude which is generally used for earthquakes with magnitudes of above 6.0).

Rob


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 Response 29 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Nov 27, 2002 (21:52) * 1 lines 
 
wasn't there a movie about an asteroid that produced a tsunami? what the heck was the name of that one? it had tea' leone in it.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 30 of 95: Julie  (cascadeclimber) * Wed, Nov 27, 2002 (22:20) * 1 lines 
 
Deep Impact I think is the one your talking about, Wolfie.


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 Response 31 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Nov 28, 2002 (07:51) * 3 lines 
 
That was a great movie, it came out at the same time the Bruce Willis asteroid movie came out.

Armageddon.


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 Response 32 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Nov 28, 2002 (11:54) * 1 lines 
 
yeah, it seems there was a rash of films about the same subject....haven't seen armageddon yet though...


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 33 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Nov 30, 2002 (04:35) * 6 lines 
 
Hi all

Which is why I am putting this effort in for tsunami's. I would like to see the waves impact reduced by better coastal planning for these things and their effects. Hawaii has evacuation routes marked by road signs, and a siren system that is used to warn the islands of incoming tsunami's. This is all well and fine, but it is only useful if the tsunami is coming from a foreign location like Chile or Alaska and not from just offshore. If it is coming from just offshore, and you are in a coastal area, then the minute you feel an earthquake RUN, DAMMIT RUN!!!!! Run for the high ground and be prepared to stay there for several hours. Tsunamis are not single waves and the first is rarely the biggest. On May 23 in Hilo, during the 1960 tsunami three waves arrived over the period and ran like this: First wave crested at 12.30AM at 4 feet above normal, and then dropped 3 below normal. The second wave came at 12.46AM and was an ominous 9 feet above normal. The water then retreated to a level 7 feet below normal at 1.
0AM. Note the time. At 1.02AM there was a roar. An indescribable roar that everyone could hear coming through the night. At 1.04 a searchlight beam caught the 20 foot vertical wave relentlessly rolling forward into Hilo Harbour. At 1.05AM Hilo, and most of the island of Hawaii was plunged into darkness after the wave propagated upstream as a dangerous surge. 61 people died.

Rob


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 34 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 10, 2002 (20:41) * 1 lines 
 
How well I remember the 1975 earthquake. I do not need to experience another 7.2 earthquake for me to respect how deadly the earth's mechanics can be. The resulting tsunami took Hilo's most skilled surgeon's life. He was at Halape with a troop of boy scouts. One of them also died. Several were heroes by saving the lives of their fellow scouts. Now, the once beautiful Halape is under water(the land block on which it sits dropped several feet) and the beautiful Kalapana was subjected to flooding by the sea before lava covered it. You can't write fiction like this!!!


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 35 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Tue, Jul  8, 2003 (06:51) * 5 lines 
 
Hi all

T S U N A M I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 36 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Tue, Jul  8, 2003 (06:53) * 1 lines 
 
just kidding.... unless it is the tsunami of words sentences paragraphs and pages that I am considering doing as a thesis on the aforementioned, when I get my degree....


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 37 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Tue, Jul  8, 2003 (07:16) * 7 lines 
 
Seriously people. I have this notion of doing a Masters degree, with the thesis being probably on tsunamis. There are a few options I think I could choose from in pursuing the angle of thesis, because I am interested to some extent in all issues dealing with tsunamis.

But at this early stage, while I am still finishing my undergrad degree I am thinking of doing a Masters in tsunamis.

Rob




 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 38 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jul  8, 2003 (09:31) * 2 lines 
 
I hope you can do this and take us all along on the ride. How exciting!



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 39 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jul  8, 2003 (16:26) * 3 lines 
 
Rob!!! you are as bad a shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater. One does not shout Tsunami, either. Until I am well settled in KY, there will still be a worry deep inside me. But, now the sirens will indicate a tornado warning. *sigh*

Go for it, Rob!! That would be fantastic!!!


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 40 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jul  8, 2003 (16:27) * 1 lines 
 
You aren't planning to surf them, are you? The crazies out here do!


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 41 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Wed, Jul  9, 2003 (03:38) * 11 lines 
 
Hi all

First off, I would never knowingly yell "TSUNAMI!!" in a public place for that very reason. I only did it here because it would not have been of consequence.

Secondly, I do not surf and even if I did I would prefer to go to Godley Heads with its 200 metre high basalt cliffs for the sea to pound against if I was to watch a tsunami come in. Godley Heads can be accessed safely from inland and if you follow the Summit Road around the Port Hills to the Sign of the Takahe, then you can come and go as you please with out fear of inundation.

To check for US tsunamis and tsunami alerts, however you can go here:

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/

Rob


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 42 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jul 10, 2003 (20:02) * 3 lines 
 
My tsunami alerts come as email from my son. The mountain (of water) is coming to Mohmammad in this case.

Your viewing platform sounds ideal. I agree high cliffs are the only place to watch them.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 43 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jul 10, 2003 (20:03) * 1 lines 
 
Of course, Walt Dudley teaches a few blocks down the road. I could get it first hand :)


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 44 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Fri, Jul 11, 2003 (04:33) * 6 lines 
 
Hi all

The NZ Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences ( http://www.gns.cri.nz ) and the National Institute of Water and Atmospherics( http://www.niwa.cri.nz )
have this website for those interested in the New Zealand tsunami hazard. The two institutes have collaborated on a national centre for natural hazards, that deals with storms, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, floods etc. You can find their collaborative effort here: http://www.naturalhazards.net.nz

Rob


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 45 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jul 11, 2003 (16:18) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks for the links! How is your Yahoo group doing?


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 46 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Jul 12, 2003 (03:27) * 20 lines 
 
Hi all

Good thanks.

I have three:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worldvolcanism
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worldearthquakes
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tsunami_warning

Tsunami's do not entirely fit into both groups so I thought "what the hell. I'll create one for it as well". Tsunami's are a combination of geophysics, plate tectonics, oceanography and to some extent geography.

Geophysics - the geophysical mechanisms that led to the wave - i.e the displacement of the water.
Plate Tectonics - the process leading to the mechanisms
Oceanography - the waves as they behave in the ocean: oceanography accounts for it
Geography or rather Physical Geography - the interaction of the wave coming ashore, with cultural and natural features (buildings, shore etc)

Rob





 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 47 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Wed, Jul 23, 2003 (05:47) * 9 lines 
 
Hi all

"Rob!!! you are as bad a shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater. One does not shout Tsunami, either. Until I am well settled in KY, there will still be a worry deep inside me. But, now the sirens will indicate a tornado warning. *sigh*"

Sirens have their purpose. Are most of the warning sirens used in the US old WW2 air raid sirens that have been found another use? Rural fire stations in New Zealand, and those in small-moderate size towns use their sirens to let people know that there is a fire so that the volunteer fire brigade can get to the station.

These sirens are haunting as hell to hear sound, but I think that it would be a good way to get people moving.

Rob


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 Response 48 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jul 25, 2003 (00:28) * 1 lines 
 
Can you imagine what being wakened at night by one of those knowing bombs would shortly ruin your street, house and possible kill you? How terrifying! I know a few people who have Post Traumatic Stress from WW2 bombings. They still overly react to hearing a siren - even one in a movie!


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 49 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jul 25, 2003 (00:29) * 1 lines 
 
BTW, sirens like the old time ones are what are used in Hawaii (though state of the art, they still sound the same) and in Kentucky. No matter what the reason it sounds, I run for where I should be and my heart pounds uncontrollably.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 50 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Sun, Jul 27, 2003 (06:36) * 5 lines 
 
Hi all

Warning sirens however would not stop a near field tsunami from causing a disaster simply because by the time the warnings were sounded, the waves would have been and gone. This problem is real in Hawaii - the 1975 disaster where the waves demolished that school are a case in point of a near field tsunami.

Rob


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 51 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Jul 27, 2003 (10:30) * 3 lines 
 
Near field Tsunami took the life of one of Hilo's best surgeons in the 70's. We know that all too well. Tjis was the 1975 quake because I was there !

The tsunami that took out Laupahoehoe School, students and teachers was caused by a 1946 Earthquake in the Aleutians.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 52 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (03:29) * 5 lines 
 
Kia Ora

That tsunami forms the basis of Chapter 1 in Walter Dudley and Min Lee's 1998 edition of TSUNAMI! It generated waves that killed over 100 people in downtown Hilo who had no idea what was happening because the PTWC did not exist then. Despite there being an impressive record of tsunami's in the islands, the islanders were still caught unawares when the sea started doing strange things like leaving hundreds of fish high and dry as it retreated.

Rob


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 53 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (11:02) * 1 lines 
 
Rob, Hilo has become complacent. A generation or two has grown up since the last tsunami, and even though we know history and have very good warning systems, and we elected to allow forceable evacuation of those who were in the danger zone, they will have many who sneak in and try to surf, fish or photograph. They will die just as the people before them did. All we can hope worldwide is to warn people. Their lives ultimately depend on the use of this information.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 54 of 95: Rob Glennie  (AotearoaKiwi) * Mon, Aug 11, 2003 (02:56) * 12 lines 
 
Hi all

How ironic.

In 1755 Lisbon, Portugal was rocked by a massive earthquake that measured at least magnitude 8.4 (not sure what scale was applied to get the figure).
The earthquake was deadly, and kille 50,000 people in the city which was devastated not only by the earthquake but by a disastrous tsunami in it's wake.
Within minutes of the earthquake occurring the sea was on the way out (that famous drawing of the water front with big waves racing into the harbour of a city on fire is of the Lisbon shake). A French composer wrote a rather lengthy poem about the disaster, which should serve to remind Europe that Italy, former Yugoslavia and Greece are not the only places in Europe to be rocked by earthquakes.

But this is ironic. The towns churches were demolished and most of the nuns and priests killed outright - the wooden bordellos and prostitutes survived...

Rob



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 55 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Sep  4, 2003 (10:54) * 1 lines 
 
Wooden structures flex and survive. European-style stone and mortar structures are the worst hit. Invariably! Maybe the churches should make a few notes before rebuilding!


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 56 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 27, 2004 (11:15) * 17 lines 
 
The Sumatra earthquake is the 5th strongest in history according to some people in the media. Whatever it ranked, the death toll continues to rise.

Twenty-two thousand dead in nine countries from tsunami

COLOMBO, Sri Lanka (AP) - Rescuers piled up bodies along southern Asian coastlines devastated by tidal waves that smashed into nine countries, obliterating seaside towns and killing more than 20,900 people. Hundreds of children were buried in mass graves in India, and morgues and hospitals struggled to cope with the catastrophe.

The death toll mounted sharply Monday, a day after the 9.0-magnitude quake struck deep beneath the Indian Ocean off the coast of Indonesia. It was the most powerful quake in four decades.

The waves sped away from the epicenter at over 500 mph before crashing into the region's shorelines, sweeping people and fishing villages out to sea. Millions were displaced from their homes and thousands were missing.

Officials said the death toll would continue to rise, and the International Red Cross said it was concerned about waterborne diseases.

Sri Lanka said just over 10,000 people were killed along its coastlines, and Tamil rebels said 2,000 people died in its territory, bringing that country's toll to more than 12,000.

Indonesia reported about 5,000 deaths and India 3,000. Thailand - a Western tourist hotspot - said hundreds were dead and thousands missing. Deaths were also reported in Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Bangladesh and even in Somalia, 3,000 miles away in Africa.

more at AP website. Reuters had amazing pictures yesterday. It looked very much like Hilo did in 1947 and 1960.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 57 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Mon, Dec 27, 2004 (17:43) * 1 lines 
 
my prayers out to them.......


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 Response 58 of 95: Conf admin  (cfadm) * Tue, Dec 28, 2004 (12:36) * 26 lines 
 
Really, the count is mounting and the UN is calling the USA "stingy". It looks like the US is mounting a major relief effort however.

Posted at Global Voices Online by way of Jon Lebkowsky's blog


After the tsunami disaster in Southeast Asia, bloggers from India
quickly set up The South-East Asia Earthquake and
http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com/ Tsunami blog for news and
information about resources, aid, donations and volunteer efforts.

This blog's an invaluable coordination effort, and it pointed to the
need for a more robust and permanent site for ongoing coordination of
bloggers and other online resources in response to other catastrophic
situations that might occur in the future. Nick Lewis of the
Progressive Blog Alliance http://pbahq.smartcampaigns.com/ is
working on such an "Emergency Action Blog" site.

We've set up an email list (eab at activist-tech.org) for a collaborative effort to define requirements and taxonomy and produce the site using something like CivicSpace http://www.civicspacelabs.org/ . To subscribe, send a
blank email to eab-subscribe at activist-tech.org. This will hopefully
be an international collaboration of bloggers and techs, therefore a
good early project for those who support the Global Voices intiative.

Comments
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/index.php?p=36#comments




 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 59 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (08:07) * 21 lines 
 
The list of casualties grows and disease may take as many more as are dead from the tsunami. It is a gret tragedy! From Reuters:

Quake may hav made the Earth wobble

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The deadly Asian earthquake may have permanently accelerated the Earth's rotation -- shortening days by a fraction of a second -- and caused the planet to wobble on its axis, U.S. scientists said on Tuesday.

Richard Gross, a geophysicist with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, theorized that a shift of mass toward the Earth's center during the quake on Sunday caused the planet to spin 3 microseconds, or 3 millionths of a second, faster and to tilt about an inch on its axis.

When one huge tectonic plate beneath the Indian Ocean was forced below the edge of another "it had the effect of making the Earth more compact and spinning faster," Gross said.

Gross said changes predicted by his model probably are too minuscule to be detected by a global positioning satellite network that routinely measures changes in Earth's spin, but said the data may reveal a slight wobble.

The Earth's poles travel a circular path that normally varies by about 33 feet, so an added wobble of an inch is unlikely to cause long-term effects, he said.

"That continual motion is just used to changing," Gross said. "The rotation is not actually that precise. The Earth does slow down and change its rate of rotation."

When those tiny variations accumulate, planetary scientists must add a "leap second" to the end of a year, something that has not been done in many years, Gross said.

Scientists have long theorized that changes on the Earth's surface such as tide and groundwater shifts and weather could affect its spin but they have not had precise measurements to prove it, Caltech seismologist Hiroo Kanamori said.

"Even for a very large event, the effect is very small," Kanamori said. "It's very difficult to change the rotation rate substantially."



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 60 of 95: Lucie  (alyeska) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (08:19) * 1 lines 
 
Every time I turn on the news this gets worse


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 61 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (09:07) * 24 lines 
 
I discovered that yesterday, Lucie. Having lived on an island ravaged by trunamis twice in the latter half of the 20th century, I was not surprised at the low first estimate then later rising tolls. This will get worse before it gets better.

From Reuters: Quake may have moved islands



LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The massive earthquake that devastated parts of Asia permanently moved the tectonic plates beneath the Indian Ocean as much as 98 feet, slightly shifting islands near Sumatra an unknown distance, U.S. scientists said on Tuesday.

A tsunami spawned by the 9.0-magnitude quake off the northern tip of Sumatra killed an estimated 60,000 on Sunday in Indonesia, Thailand, India, Malaysia, Sri Lanka and East Africa.

Satellite images showed that the movement of undersea plates off the northern tip of Sumatra moved the Nicobar Islands and Simeulue Island out to sea by an unknown distance, U.S. Geological Survey geophysicist Ken Hudnut said.

Although the data showed that plates more than 12 miles beneath the ocean's surface moved dramatically, scientists will have to use handheld satellite positioning systems at the sites to learn precisely how much the land masses on the surface shifted, Hudnut said.

The USGS team in Pasadena, California, also was studying more detailed satellite images on Tuesday to determine if the scraping of one plate over another plowed up enough debris on the ocean floor to block the port of Banda Aceh in Sumatra where international aid was headed.

Large earthquakes in the last decade in Kobe, Japan, and Golcuk, Turkey, deformed the coastlines and rendered their ports inoperable after the crises, Hudnut said.

The scientists have asked for cooperation from operators of commercial satellites that can provide high-resolution images to show the extent of damage to coastlines, he said.


Reuters
Dec 28 2004 4:21PM



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 62 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (09:08) * 1 lines 
 
One of the larger earthquakes I experienced in Hawaii generated its own tusnami and took the life of Hilo's rising star surgeon who was on a boyscout camp out with is son.


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 Response 63 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (09:54) * 23 lines 
 
Toll from tsunami could top 100,000



GENEVA (Reuters) - Deaths in the Indian Ocean tsunami disaster could top 100,000 when the toll on India's Bay of Bengal islands is known, a senior international Red Cross official said on Wednesday.

"I would not be at all surprised that we will be on 100,000 (deaths) when we know what has happened on the Andaman and Nicobar islands," Peter Rees of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) said.

He told a news conference IFRC estimates stood at 77,828 dead across the region, including in Tanzania, Somalia, Kenya and the Seychelles thousands of miles from the epicenter of the earthquake off Indonesia on Sunday.

"But the figures are climbing all the time," said Rees, head of the Operations support department at the Geneva-based Federation which is coordinating relief operations together with the United Nations OCHA humanitarian agency.

Rees said confirmed dead, according to information from the IFRC's member societies around the Pacific Ocean, was over 68,000 -- in line with figures compiled by Reuters with information from governments and aid agencies.

He said nearly 510,000 were confirmed injured and over a million had been forced to flee their homes. But he stressed that these figures were bound to be revised upwards as more information came in.

Florian Westphal of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said his organization's representatives on the ground in the Indonesian province of Aceh said bodies were everywhere in the capital, Banda Aceh.

"And we don't really know what has happened in the coastal regions," Westphal told the news conference. Earlier, a U.N. official in Banda Aceh said the death toll in the province might be between 50,000 and 80,000.

Indonesian officials say the province, where separatist rebels have been fighting the national army for years, suffered earthquake as well as tidal wave damage.




 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 64 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (10:54) * 3 lines 
 
For the "official" information at the United States Geological Survey (USGS)

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqinthenews/2004/usslav/


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 Response 65 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (11:00) * 3 lines 
 
This from the above cited USGS webiste that I found interesting:

At least 27,000 people were killed by the earthquake and tsunami in Indonesia. Tsunamis killed at least 18,000 people in Sri Lanka, 4,300 in India, 1,400 in Thailand, 100 in Somalia, 52 in Maldives, 44 in Malaysia, 30 in Myanmar, 10 in Tanzania, 3 in Seychelles, 2 in Bangladesh and 1 in Kenya. Tsunamis also occurred on the coasts of Cocos Island, Mauritius, and Reunion. The tsunami crossed into the Pacific Ocean and was recorded along the west coast of South and North America. The earthquake was felt (VIII) at Banda Aceh and (V) at Medan, Sumatra. It was also felt in Bangladesh, India, Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Singapore, Sri Lanka and Thailand. This is the fourth largest earthquake in the world since 1900 and is the largest since the 1964 Prince William Sound, Alaska earthquake.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 66 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (14:39) * 1 lines 
 
there was a program about tsunamis on national geographic last night--it talked about all the major ones (including the hilo incident)....very sad--this one does seem to get worse everytime i turn on the news (of course it was spread out but still, that's a lot of families destroyed).


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 67 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (17:05) * 1 lines 
 
I saw that, Wolfie! I wonder if it was coincidental... which it surely was. Now they face mass burials to save the living and inoculations against such lovely killers as typhus, cholera and so many others. Bless the relief workers. That is harrowing work !


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 68 of 95: Lucie  (alyeska) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (18:37) * 5 lines 
 
I watched that too, Wolfie.

I know that after the big one in Alaska the tsunamis reached California. It was really bad along the Alaska coast. Kodiak rose nine feet and Valdez sank nine feet .They had to rebuild the port of Valdez.

I thought tha they had started to educate people about what to do if the water disappears after the disaster in Hawaii in the forties. Instead ot running for high ground the people followed the water out.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 69 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 29, 2004 (19:50) * 3 lines 
 
Lucie, a nine-foot tsunami was generated in Hawaii and all the damages were was to washed away lawn furniture which the Coast Guard had rescued. That is as much of a tsunami as I ever experienced. The false alarms were frightening enough!

The problem of the water disappearing - and it was also on April Fools Day - was that fish are so close and so easy to catch. There has been widewpread education in Hawaii and we chose via referendum to make you leave your home when the National Guard has to remove inhabitants from the inundation zones. No one protests.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 70 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 30, 2004 (08:36) * 9 lines 
 
It continues to get worse with aftershocks and resulting smaller trunamis:

From Associated Press:

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (AP) - The death toll from last weekend's earthquake-tsunami catastrophe rose to more than 114,000 on Thursday as Indonesia uncovered more and more dead from ravaged Sumatra island, where pilots dropped food to remote villages still unreached by rescue workers. A false alarm that new killer waves were about to hit sparked panic in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

The increase came after Indonesia reported nearly 28,000 newly confirmed dead in Sumatra, which was closest to the epicenter of last weekend's massive earthquake and was overwhelmed by the tsunami that followed. Some 60 percent of the Banda Aceh, the main city in northern Sumatra was destroyed, the U.N. children's agency estimated, and the island's northwest coast - lined with villages - was inundated.

The new count brought Indonesia's death toll to around 80,000 - the worst hit nation, followed by Sri Lanka, India and Thailand.



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 71 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 30, 2004 (16:17) * 16 lines 
 
Now to the four-legged and winged animals in this tragedy:

Tsunami Adds to Belief in Animals' 'Sixth Sense'
Thu Dec 30, 2004 08:31 AM ET

By Ed Stoddard

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Wild animals seem to have escaped the Indian Ocean tsunami, adding weight to notions they possess a "sixth sense" for disasters, experts said Thursday.

Sri Lankan wildlife officials have said the giant waves that killed over 24,000 people along the Indian Ocean island's coast seemingly missed wild beasts, with no dead animals found.

"No elephants are dead, not even a dead hare or rabbit. I think animals can sense disaster. They have a sixth sense. They know when things are happening," H.D. Ratnayake, deputy director of Sri Lanka's Wildlife Department, said Wednesday.

The waves washed floodwaters up to 2 miles inland at Yala National Park in the ravaged southeast, Sri Lanka's biggest wildlife reserve and home to hundreds of wild elephants and several leopards. "There has been a lot of anecdotal evidence about dogs barking or birds migrating before volcanic eruptions or earthquakes. But it has not been proven," said Matthew van Lierop, an animal behavior specialist at Johannesburg Zoo.

more... http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=GKM3XYE01YE12CRBAEZSFFA?type=scienceNews&storyID=7207207


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 Response 72 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Dec 31, 2004 (09:52) * 10 lines 
 
BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (AP) - Even as an unprecedented world relief drive gathers momentum, survivors continue to grapple with the tsunami destruction in south Asia.

Teams of forensic experts in Thailand have been packing bodies in dry ice as the government there doubled the death toll to more than 45-hundred people, nearly half of them foreigners.

Donations have been pouring in and aid planes and ships, including a U-S aircraft carrier battle group, are rushing to the devastated region where officials say more than 121-thousand died.

(M) Millions of survivors are still struggling for food and shelter.

Officials, especially in Indonesia, are coming to grips with the realization that there may never be an accurate death count after the towering waves swept entire villages and everyone in them out to sea.



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 73 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 31, 2004 (14:27) * 1 lines 
 
They collected DNA from many of them because they were too far "gone" to do anything else for identification. The true loss may never be known.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 74 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jan  1, 2005 (06:35) * 16 lines 
 
BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (Reuters) - A legion of ships and planes has delivered aid to millions of Asian tsunami survivors after New Year revellers around the world paused to mourn victims of one of the worst disasters in living memory.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called for a major logistical operation to help countries shattered by Sunday's tsunami, which by the latest count had killed 125,930 after India added another thousand fatalities.

The U.N. emergency relief operations coordinator said the death toll was approaching 150,000, with a third or more of them believed to be children.

"We mourn, we cry, and our hearts weep, witnessing thousands of those killed left rigid in the streets," Indonesia President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said in a subdued New Year address.

Rescue teams say aid has started to reach stricken areas, six days after the monster waves obliterated beach towns and sucked tourists out to sea or inland in a torrent of mud and debris.

They were racing against time with an estimated 5 million people in the disaster areas facing grave difficulty getting food and clean water. Health authorities warned of a second wave of deaths from contagious diseases.


from

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=647084


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 75 of 95: Lucie  (alyeska) * Sun, Jan  2, 2005 (12:01) * 5 lines 
 
To make matters worse now they are getting heavy rainstorms.

These are strong willed people who have survived disasters before, though not this bad.

They will prevail, of that I am sure.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 76 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Sep  1, 2005 (13:46) * 3 lines 
 
We are in the midst of our own tsunami in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. It has been four days now and help is just starting to trickle in. Looting. Price gouging. Rising gas prices.

It's getting more serious every day.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 77 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Sep  1, 2005 (13:53) * 1 lines 
 
Isn't wolfie's hometown New Orleans?


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 78 of 95: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Thu, Sep  1, 2005 (16:41) * 6 lines 
 
Howdy Terry

Curious how the gas prices are down in Austin - they are hovering up around $3 here up north. I heard today that the folks displaced from the floods are even being sheltered in San Antonio - knew that the old Astrodome was being used.

73 de Mike



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 79 of 95: wer  (WERoland) * Thu, Sep  1, 2005 (17:13) * 3 lines 
 
I know, I know...I'm not Terry but the following site usually has fairly accurate current prices...it's part of http://www.gasbuddy.com/

http://www.austingasprices.com/


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 Response 80 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Sep  1, 2005 (18:40) * 5 lines 
 
no, terry, really don't have a hometown but i claimed bossier city home for 15 years (NW corner)

and i HATE what's going on with the gas--we have $2.50 - $2.99.....

folks from new orleans are going to the astrodome in Houston but i haven't heard if they're going to be sheltered in the alamodome (aside from the Saints). AFAIK, the AF Base in Mississippi is headed this way.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 81 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Sep  1, 2005 (22:44) * 4 lines 
 
I heard they're going to house about 25,000 at a San Antonio Air Force Base.

Do you know any Bossier City folks who were caught in the aftermath?



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 82 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Fri, Sep  2, 2005 (18:49) * 3 lines 
 
the number was 3 times that this morning on the radio, hadn't heard anything yet this afternoon....

as far as my friends in B.C., haven't heard but i'm sure they're taking in people too. one of my friends in N.O. emailed me today---he and his family are ok and staying in FL for now. they don't know the extent of damage to their property though. i'm just relieved that they're ok, y'know?


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 83 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Fri, Sep  2, 2005 (18:49) * 1 lines 
 
oh, terry, can the spring, in any way, make donations to the red cross as a group? you know, from "the spring" to help keep it anonymous for folks who want to donate?


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 84 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Sep  3, 2005 (23:12) * 1 lines 
 
We can do that, the best way would be to set up an account like Ann Haker does with her austen.com donations. That way, everyone can monitor the donations.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 85 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Sun, Sep  4, 2005 (11:27) * 1 lines 
 
that would be AWESOME!


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 Response 86 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Oct  1, 2005 (18:07) * 3 lines 
 
I guess living with $3.00 + per gallon gas in Hawaii for so many years, I have become immune to being shocked by prices. I'm glad they got that guy in Atlanta who jacked his prices up to $5.00/gallon just after Katrina (and before they made him lower it again). There has to be some sort of regulation just like any other public utility. This is insane.

Hey, Austin, did you get any survivors? We got a bunch but sent more people to help there than we are doing here. We send linemen all over the USA after disasters to assist in getting the power back online. Health workers, too.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 87 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Sat, Oct  1, 2005 (21:17) * 1 lines 
 
we had katrina and rita evacuees taking shelter at Kelly USA....


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 88 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Oct  1, 2005 (22:04) * 1 lines 
 
I wonder what ours will do if there is no place else to go. I guess they make new lives here.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 89 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Oct  4, 2005 (23:54) * 1 lines 
 
Will you let us know right away about any forming hurricanes and possible coastal tsunamis Marci?


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 90 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Oct  5, 2005 (15:18) * 1 lines 
 
Absolutely!!! I check it daily and have several weather sources scouring the internet all the time including the NWS and NOAA.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 91 of 95: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Oct  5, 2005 (18:54) * 1 lines 
 
you know marcia's going to keep us posted! am glad too!!


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 92 of 95: Lucie  (alyeska) * Wed, Oct  5, 2005 (20:15) * 1 lines 
 
It seems like there's always something, tornadoes, earthquakes, blizzards, hurricanes, tsunami. It just goes to show you can't hide from MOther Nature.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 93 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Oct  6, 2005 (16:34) * 1 lines 
 
Now that media needs 24/7 coverage, you KNOW that nothing will happen without a full and embellished report. I've got my proverbial ear to the rail of earth.


 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 94 of 95: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct  7, 2005 (23:00) * 4 lines 
 
Tammy is heading for the
Okefenokee Swamp, tying the record for the most named storms in a
year.



 Topic 78 of 99 [Geo]: TSUNAMI!!!! The Great wave - the deadly wave
 Response 95 of 95: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Oct  8, 2005 (01:12) * 1 lines 
 
Impressive. Get the Possums out of there. Pogo lives there!

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