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Topic 11 of 88: beer

Mon, Mar 10, 1997 (21:36) | Paul Terry Walhus (terry)
What are your favorite beers?
229 responses total.

 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 1 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Mar 10, 1997 (21:38) * 3 lines 
 
I give Bosque Porter a B. I'm doing a beer tasting test.
I'm trying out one new beer every night. This stuff comes out
of Waco, Texas. You'd never expect. Kind of sweet.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 2 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Mar 29, 1997 (12:29) * 5 lines 
 
Ah, beer!
Pete's Wicked Ale, Guiness Stout, Red Hook ESB, Sam Adams Double and Triple
Bocks, Blackened Voodoo, and Anchor Porter. There's more, but these are
the tops of my list.
WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 3 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Mar 29, 1997 (12:53) * 1 lines 
 
I like Guiness a lot. There's nothing else like it, at least that I've tried.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 4 of 229: stacey leigh vura  (stacey) * Tue, May 27, 1997 (21:43) * 6 lines 
 
Love beer...
Bass Ale, Pete's Wicked, Killian's
Colorado beers...
Great Divide, Trout (Fairplay, CO), Boulder Ale
Texas beers...
Nothing beats a Shiner!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 5 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, May 28, 1997 (07:59) * 1 lines 
 
Ya got that right. Especially their bock beer.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 6 of 229: Nancy  (nancyw) * Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (18:44) * 1 lines 
 
The type of beer depends on the food. And the time of day. Some of the dark beers almost feel/taste like dessert to me. SOme of my friends haul me out to local breweries (get a life, they say) and pour the good stuff in to me. I can handle about 1/2 a glass. Lots of the micropubs are starting to have good food, which is a saving grace for me.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 7 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (18:47) * 1 lines 
 
Like dessert you say? As in four pieces of chocolate?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 8 of 229: Nancy   (nancyw) * Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (19:00) * 1 lines 
 
No, I do have a broader repetoire than just chocolate. I like food of almost every stripe, including non-chocolate liquids. I mean dark, foamy beer.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 9 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (19:00) * 3 lines 
 
I share your liking for dark beers. What are some of your favorite brands?

How about Guiness Stout?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 10 of 229: Nancy   (nancyw) * Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (19:09) * 1 lines 
 
Brands? Whatever my friends pick out! That's why I always pick friends with good taste. And usually I buy a local beer or something new to try. Thus no memory. I just like em!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 11 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (19:11) * 2 lines 
 
Celis is a great Austin brand. And of course Shiners. But I already mentioned Shiners.
Ever tried it?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 12 of 229: Nancy  (nancyw) * Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (20:02) * 1 lines 
 
Can't say that I've ever even heard of it. But I lead a sheltered life...


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 13 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (08:06) * 2 lines 
 
It's like our best regional beer, what's the best regional brew
in your neck of the woods?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 14 of 229: Nancy  (nancyw) * Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (13:35) * 1 lines 
 
I know you are really trying to show how little brains I have left. Lets see, I'm asking my staff... Redhook, Big Time, and then we all have blank looks on our faces. Maybe we drank too much beer in earlier years. Ei!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 15 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (16:25) * 2 lines 
 
So it's Redhook? What's that like?



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 16 of 229: Nancy  (nancyw) * Fri, Jun 13, 1997 (20:28) * 1 lines 
 
Milking a dead horse here. Its beer. I know thats blasphemy, but I am not a beer knowledgable person. IT tastes good! What can I say. Now if I were to comment on chocolate..... there's another story. I confess, I am a beer ignoramus!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 17 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (08:46) * 1 lines 
 
Are there any chocolate beers?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 18 of 229: stacey leigh vura  (stacey) * Mon, Sep 15, 1997 (20:52) * 6 lines 
 
Hola!
How about your favorite cheap beer?!?!
Let's hear it for Black Label, Hamm's and Pig's Eye Red!

Hey guys, it's that Colorado girl from Texas loggin' in again via the Denver Public Library... Breakin the law, breakin the law!
Miss you all, miss Austin but having a grooving time living in the shadow of the Rocky Mountains!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 19 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Sep 15, 1997 (21:21) * 7 lines 
 
I'll go with Redeye, haven't tried the other two. How is the wonder woman doing?
I, for one, miss your boundless energy around Austin. It sure was great when you were around.

Are you doing much bicycling, rollerblading etc?

The Austin libraries have lots of free net access these days. I wonder if your "website" is
still up, I'll have to take a look. Is the library your only access?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 20 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Sep 23, 1997 (12:09) * 3 lines 
 
Not anymore! I'm ethernet babe now! I'm connected at school FINALLY! The T-1 connection really spoiled me at MR.
Ahh, but that has little to do with food, now.
No beer last night, a couple of glasses of Merlot though.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 21 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Wed, Sep 24, 1997 (07:52) * 1 lines 
 
Actually, you were just an isdn babe back then. I developed a liking for Merlet a while back. What kind of connection do you have at school now?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 22 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Sep 24, 1997 (09:28) * 1 lines 
 
a slow one.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 23 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Sep 24, 1997 (19:29) * 1 lines 
 
What? A dial up modem? Are you springing by telnet or over the web?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 24 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Sep 25, 1997 (09:28) * 4 lines 
 
telnet
But on the topic of beer...
*smile*
Fat Tire. Yum.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 25 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Sep 25, 1997 (18:54) * 2 lines 
 
What beer do you recommend I pick up for this weekend?



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 26 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Sep 26, 1997 (09:12) * 1 lines 
 
first I gots ta know what you're doing.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 27 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Fri, Sep 26, 1997 (16:51) * 1 lines 
 
Partying. Relaxing.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 28 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Sep 29, 1997 (08:49) * 2 lines 
 
Bad Dog Ale... is that the one?
You know,the one with the Hunter S. Thompson quotes.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 29 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Mon, Sep 29, 1997 (11:50) * 3 lines 
 
Have you ever tried Pilsner Uraquel? Guiness Strout?

What do you think of these?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 30 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Sep 30, 1997 (09:00) * 4 lines 
 
yes. and yes.
The first one I loved.
The black, tarry one, not so great. Although I had it in England where the
tradition is to drink in at room temp!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 31 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Sep 30, 1997 (20:31) * 2 lines 
 
I've heard that, I like both of these. Based on that, what else would you
recommend that I try?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 32 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Oct  1, 1997 (11:43) * 1 lines 
 
Alimony Ale!!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 33 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Oct  2, 1997 (23:14) * 2 lines 
 
For real?



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 34 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct  3, 1997 (09:23) * 3 lines 
 
Yep. It's a darker than amber ale with all kinds of crazy flavors. NOT fruity
More spice. Nutmeg maybe.
I don't know if Texas has it or not but Boulder Amber Ale and Trout Ale are both good ones too. They're brewed in CO, the whole "Rocky Mountain water" thing.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 35 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct  3, 1997 (23:14) * 1 lines 
 
Celis is pretty popular around Austin, and they have some interesting flavors.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 36 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Oct  6, 1997 (09:45) * 2 lines 
 
I had a cold Guiness last night. Watched the cascade and everything. It
was yum... much better cold!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 37 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Oct  6, 1997 (17:16) * 16 lines 
 
Makes me want to have a beer, but no beer in the fridge right now, and I'm
home for the day.

In 30 seconds the space shuttle lands.

. . . . . . .

Main gear touchdown.

Nose gear touchdown.

Another good landing at Edwards AFB.

I guess you were here too late, but they have opened a lot of microbreweries around Austin.
The Copper Tank, etc.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 38 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Oct  6, 1997 (17:56) * 5 lines 
 
The Copper Tank's been around for awhile -- 3 years. Been there, liked that.
Actually I prefered it before the restaurant. I also had been to the Armadillo
but I know that's shut down. Thre were a couple more when I last talked to
Austin ites...
Thanks for the shuttle commentary!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 39 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Mon, Oct  6, 1997 (20:13) * 5 lines 
 
Sure, they were saying that on the radio while I was typing.

Cedar Street is actually what I was trying to think of, they had a real cool gathering there recently put on by the MAIN folks (who are putting public internet terminals in the libraries around Austin).

Did you ever make it there?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 40 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Oct  7, 1997 (09:15) * 1 lines 
 
I made it there but I didn't know it was a microbrewery.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 41 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Oct  9, 1997 (12:36) * 3 lines 
 
Last night I had a Red Hook. Decent beer. I'm still reeling over how much I
enjoyed the Guiness this time. Refrigeration makes a HUGE difference. In Estes Park they have the Estes Park brewery -- good microbrews that have recently started in a broader market. The Wynkoop in downtown Denver also makes a couple
really good micros -- Railyard Ale is one of my faves. But every month they tap a specialty brew. Last year they tapped one in honor of Kurt Vonnegut.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 42 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Oct  9, 1997 (18:56) * 2 lines 
 
Does Guiness make other beers besides Stout, I seem to vaguely recall
even seeing a near beer made by Guiness.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 43 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 10, 1997 (10:20) * 1 lines 
 
In a green can?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 44 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Oct 11, 1997 (18:53) * 2 lines 
 
I don't remember what kind of can. Strangely, I drank a near beer the other night and
felt a buzz from it. It was Heineken's Near Beer, called Klausthauler or something.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 45 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Oct 11, 1997 (19:22) * 11 lines 
 
I know I'm interrupting and all, but my favorites (all dark) are:

Samuel Adam's Double Bock
Guiness Stout
Red Hook ESB
Pete's Wicked Ale
Anchor Porter
Blackened VooDoo
Red Hook's porter with the Starbuck's coffee in it

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 46 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Sat, Oct 11, 1997 (21:04) * 2 lines 
 
Any particular flavor of Starbuck's coffee?
How would you arrange these on a scale of bitter to sweet?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 47 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Oct 13, 1997 (00:18) * 6 lines 
 
Actually, I don't know which they use to brew it with, I just
remember it's Starbucks. And there really isn't a sweet one
one the list. I usually don't prefer my darks sweet, although
the occasional black and tan hits the spot!

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 48 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Oct 13, 1997 (09:41) * 2 lines 
 
It was a cheap beer weekend!
Black label and Red Dog!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 49 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Mon, Oct 13, 1997 (13:24) * 1 lines 
 
Beer brewed with coffee, what do you think Stacey?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 50 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Oct 14, 1997 (08:37) * 2 lines 
 
Sounds like two of my biggest vices in one fell swoop!
I like the idea.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 51 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Tue, Oct 14, 1997 (13:49) * 1 lines 
 
Will you try one and get back to us?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 52 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Oct 15, 1997 (09:19) * 1 lines 
 
will do


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 53 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Oct 15, 1997 (13:19) * 1 lines 
 
Oh good, Stacey's our canary in the mineshaft for coffee brewed beer.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 54 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Oct 16, 1997 (09:04) * 1 lines 
 
I seem to be everyone's canary -- the fumes at MR?!?!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 55 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Oct 16, 1997 (09:06) * 2 lines 
 
Had Pets's Oktober fest and a Twisted Pine amber (local) last night. The
Twisted pine was kinda yeasty but really good and darker than most ambers.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 56 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Oct 16, 1997 (23:33) * 5 lines 
 
Ambers are good, yeasty isn't.
Oktoberfests are good, also.
Decent beer tastes, stacey!.

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 57 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 17, 1997 (11:00) * 1 lines 
 
Why thank you sir! I also volunteer my taste-testing services in this area!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 58 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Oct 18, 1997 (00:00) * 5 lines 
 
Well, that's two, what are the others?

WER




 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 59 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Oct 19, 1997 (12:05) * 7 lines 
 
George Gale is a founding member of the Independent Family Brewers of
Britain. The ale won a gold medal this year.

For more details:

http://www.troth.demon.co.uk/pages/beers.html.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 60 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Oct 20, 1997 (09:21) * 2 lines 
 
Other taste testing services...???
*smile*


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 61 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Oct 20, 1997 (18:07) * 2 lines 
 
What do you all think of Belgian brewed beers vs. beers brewed
with Belgian methods in the US?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 62 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Oct 20, 1997 (23:36) * 8 lines 
 
stacey--yes(can e-mail me your answer if you'd prefer)
terry--Can't say that I like either. Too yeasty,
at least all that I have tried. I prefer German,
Irish, and Australlian, outside of my favorite
American, and Swiss Lowenbrau is pretty good,
especially the dark.

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 63 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (10:42) * 1 lines 
 
My, my this is becoming quite the inuendo conference... I like it!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 64 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (00:49) * 8 lines 
 
Inuendo, conferencing, or onlookers?

Back to Belgium:
I forgot about Duvel, I think its Belgian,
and some lambics, especially Faro Pertotale
Ale.

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 65 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (01:09) * 9 lines 
 
Discovered on the most happening beer joints in Austin, it's called Fado. It's
and Irish pub and they have great Guiness Stout on tap. I went there Friday for
dinner and had fish and chips (very good) with some Stout. I met some folks for
the first time and we had a blast. One of the guys was a former ranked tennis
pro who needed a website (guess who might be building it?) and there were
some women from SWT who were partyin' like it was 1999.

Fado is sandwiched in between the Cedar Street jazz joint and a coffeehouse on
Fourth Street.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 66 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (12:03) * 1 lines 
 
sounds yummy! The joint, not the partyers! *grin*


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 67 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (20:26) * 7 lines 
 
Glad you qualified that, in case we misinterpreted you.

What was your favorite beer joint around Austin?

Have you ever been to the Draught Horse?




 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 68 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (09:16) * 1 lines 
 
Fave beer joint would have to be all those with outdoor patios... Dog&Duck, Crown and Anchor, (shoot) what was the one by crown and anchor? I thought the Draught Horse was a bit overpriced and most of the microbrew places (ie. the Bitter End) a bit pretentious.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 69 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (11:12) * 3 lines 
 
I've never been to Draught Horse, just heard about it. There's a place
downtown that has beer and movies, what's it called? It's around the corner
from Fados.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 70 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (13:04) * 1 lines 
 
Dunno? What KIND of movies?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 71 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (13:12) * 5 lines 
 
Down, girl, down.

WER

ps--no offense = )


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 72 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (13:16) * 2 lines 
 
A serious question (yeah right!)
If he were referring to one of the comedy places vs. a dramatic movie screen... it might jog my memory.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 73 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (13:24) * 6 lines 
 
I think he's referring to a place
where you can have dinner, a beer,
and watch a movie, a restaurant/cinema
kinda place.

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 74 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (20:40) * 2 lines 
 
Yeah, that's it, but the name escapes me.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 75 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (11:21) * 1 lines 
 
The Cinema Grill?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 76 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (14:39) * 3 lines 
 
Nope, somethin' else.




 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 77 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (14:45) * 1 lines 
 
Vittles N' Video?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 78 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (15:01) * 2 lines 
 
Nope, you're getting colder.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 79 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (15:05) * 1 lines 
 
Raucous Reels?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 80 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (15:09) * 2 lines 
 
Not there yet.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 81 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (15:31) * 1 lines 
 
Movies N' Mai Tai's?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 82 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (17:10) * 2 lines 
 
Great name but no banana.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 83 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (09:39) * 1 lines 
 
Cider and Slapstick?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 84 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (10:46) * 4 lines 
 
Nope, another cool name though.
Try again.
This is fun.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 85 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (12:02) * 1 lines 
 
Drama on Draught?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 86 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (12:40) * 2 lines 
 
Nyetski.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 87 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Oct 28, 1997 (08:46) * 1 lines 
 
Action/Adventure Ale House?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 88 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Oct 28, 1997 (10:38) * 2 lines 
 
Not.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 89 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Oct 29, 1997 (09:51) * 1 lines 
 
Shows N Suds?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 90 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Oct 29, 1997 (21:03) * 3 lines 
 
Not Shows 'n Suds, but that's one of the best names you've come up with.




 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 91 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Oct 30, 1997 (08:39) * 1 lines 
 
Now how am I supposed to come up with another fictional name with that kind of pressure on me, huh? You know it would be my nature (and habit) to come up with something better than the best I've already created... oh the pressure...


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 92 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Oct 30, 1997 (09:27) * 2 lines 
 
Alls the same in love and naming movie/beer joints.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 93 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Oct 30, 1997 (09:57) * 1 lines 
 
Bellylaughs N' Beverages?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 94 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Oct 30, 1997 (12:53) * 4 lines 
 
*** giggle ***

but no.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 95 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Oct 31, 1997 (00:02) * 4 lines 
 
stacey, when you're tired, let me know
I finally looked up the answer

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 96 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 31, 1997 (09:59) * 1 lines 
 
Ttttt...iiii...rrrrr.eeee....ddddd.... and fading!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 97 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Oct 31, 1997 (14:57) * 3 lines 
 
Alamo Drafthouse Theater

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 98 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 31, 1997 (16:45) * 1 lines 
 
not nearly as catchy as any of mine, but thanks for the reprieve!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 99 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 31, 1997 (18:20) * 2 lines 
 
I like Stacedouts names much better!



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 100 of 229: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Oct 31, 1997 (23:42) * 3 lines 
 
Me, too...

WER


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 101 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Nov  3, 1997 (09:01) * 1 lines 
 
This weekend's fare: Killian's Red, Old Scratch Ale and Red Wolf (Sunday's desperate attempt to get some beer- liquor stores are all closed on the Sabbath)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 102 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Nov  3, 1997 (09:20) * 2 lines 
 
Too much beer for me Fri night at Leightons mega party. Check out the
videoslides running on our http://www.spring.com main page.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 103 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Nov  7, 1997 (09:10) * 129 lines 
 
Dear SOS alert networkers:

SOS Alliance is the charity of choice for this year's Texas Brewer's
Festival, November 15 & 16. What a way to support clean water! Here are
the details:

1997 4th Annual Texas Brewers Festival
AUSTIN, TEXAS

WHAT: The small brewing industries' flagship event, the Texas Brewers
Festival is the first and largest craftbeer festival in Texas, including
over fifty different varieties of handcrafted beer from Texas breweries
and brewpubs. OK, OK... it's a 300 keg keg party!

WHY: To bring more Texans an appreciation of the fine quality craftbeer
available and brewed in Texas. The Texas Brewers Festival encourages
safe and responsible drinking and promotes an appreciation of brewing as
a craft as well as a community.

WHERE & WHEN:
Austin, Texas
4th and Colorado Street
Saturday, November 15th 12:00 PM - 11:00 PM
Sunday, November 16th 1:00 PM - 8:00 PM
Downtown Austin, TEXAS!

WHO:
TEXAS MICROBREWERIES
Celis - Austin
Frio - San Antonio
Furstenbrau - San Antonio
Hill Country - Austin
Live Oak - Austin
Main Street - Dallas
Old City - Austin
Real Ale - Austin
Salado Creek - San Antonio
Saint Arnold - Houston
Spoetzl - Shiner
Yellow Rose - San Antonio

AUSTIN BREWPUBS
Bitter End
Bitter End
Copper Tank
Draught Horse
Lovejoy's
Waterloo


MUSIC:

Saturday, November 15th, 1997
12:30 Swing Set
2:20 Reckless Kelly
4:10 Guy Forsyth
6:00 Two Hoots and a Holler
8:00 Pat Green

Sunday, November 16th, 1997
1:00 The Fence Cutters
2:50 The Danglers
4:40 The Borrowers
6:30 Hillbilly Cafe

HOW: Entrance is FREE. To drink beer, please bring a valid Texas I.D.
and buy a festival mug for $3. Beer is available through the sale of
$2.50 tickets. People may also prepurchase a $20 Texas Tasting Pass
entitling them to 25 samplings from over 50! varieties of beer- (Charge
by phone 512-462-1855, or, outside of Austin, 1-800-BREWFEST). Food and
Music all weekend long. Designated drivers receive free soft drinks.
Safe rides home to those in need.
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 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 104 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Nov  7, 1997 (09:28) * 1 lines 
 
I went to that 2 years ago -- what a blast!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 105 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Sun, Nov 16, 1997 (20:26) * 13 lines 
 
Well you can have a virtual blast and drink some vitual beer because I have
twh hours of video slides running on our front page at http://www.spring.com
Lot of brewpub suds! It was a gorgeous day in Austin and most folks seemed to be in a great mood with their mugs in hand and some pretty decent bands playing.

No soundtrack yet, but we're working on a real audio solution to bring you the sounds of these events that we've been videotaping.

I had a very peaceful morning, took a long walk, had a great lunch, and capped it off with fish 'n chips, a beer (of course), and a brandy soaked mini-cigar.
One of my periodic vice ridden forays into debauchery.

Luckenbach beer, Shiner, Celis, the Texas Brewers Fest had 'em all. You
can see Mezzaluna in the background. and some of the Austin skyline.




 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 106 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (09:48) * 2 lines 
 
Ever had Iron City beer?
Save it for Bad Beer Night!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 107 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (10:58) * 2 lines 
 
Ever heard of Iron Chief?



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 108 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (11:04) * 1 lines 
 
nnope.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 109 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (13:41) * 2 lines 
 
It's a tv show or something, causing a big stir. Any, what a digression.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 110 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Nov 18, 1997 (10:54) * 1 lines 
 
another of our strong points!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 111 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Nov 20, 1997 (12:03) * 1 lines 
 
Are we back on your hips again?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 112 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Nov 20, 1997 (13:33) * 2 lines 
 
She's hip.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 113 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Nov 20, 1997 (13:41) * 2 lines 
 
we could be, WER
and of course I am, Paul


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 114 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Nov 21, 1997 (16:49) * 1 lines 
 
What would it take to get there?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 115 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Nov 24, 1997 (10:10) * 1 lines 
 
Refresh me again... where are you trying to get? Besides in my pants! *giggle*


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 116 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Nov 24, 1997 (10:18) * 3 lines 
 
For one, I don't think that I would fit in your pants...
We were talking about being on your hips again,
or could be.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 117 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Nov 24, 1997 (11:02) * 3 lines 
 
My hips aren't THAT big -- for everyone to get on.

NOw my inner thighs... there's a good area.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 118 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Nov 24, 1997 (12:28) * 1 lines 
 
Inner thighs are good.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 119 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Nov 24, 1997 (12:29) * 1 lines 
 
Tell us all about it Paul!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 120 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Nov 24, 1997 (13:35) * 2 lines 
 
Everything? Mine or yours?



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 121 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Nov 25, 1997 (11:14) * 2 lines 
 
Whoa!
Lookit you, jumping into the fray!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 122 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 16, 1998 (19:06) * 9 lines 
 
Anyway...here's one in trib to you today,
my innuendo wielding birthday girl!

*pop*
*gulp*
*ahhh...*


(this used to be a fun topic afore we met and all...*sigh*)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 123 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Apr 17, 1998 (09:16) * 2 lines 
 
22 oz. of Breckenridge brew at the birthday dinner for me!
(someone is in a rather dark mood!)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 124 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Apr 17, 1998 (11:12) * 2 lines 
 
Nah, not really, just making my own warped observations...
Don't recognize Breckenridge, what's it like?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 125 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Apr 17, 1998 (15:17) * 1 lines 
 
micro brew from Breckenridge Brewery in CO. Amber, full NOT nutty (which seems to be a trend around here)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 126 of 229: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Sun, Apr 19, 1998 (17:12) * 1 lines 
 
Don't know if this stacks up, but I had a Rolling Rock in Fells Point last night...(Baltimore neighborhood where "Homicide" is filmed)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 127 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Apr 20, 1998 (00:01) * 2 lines 
 
rolling rock does NOT stack up!
*smile*


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 128 of 229: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Tue, Apr 21, 1998 (21:34) * 1 lines 
 
Can't blame me for tryin'! (*wink*)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 129 of 229: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Apr 22, 1998 (15:21) * 1 lines 
 
speaking of beer... thanks for the card WER!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 130 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Apr 22, 1998 (15:41) * 1 lines 
 
You're welcome.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 131 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jul 22, 1998 (17:29) * 7 lines 
 
yeah, and where was mine?

The coffee beer is out again, it's
Red Hook Double Black Stout.
That's right, kids, a stout beer brewed with Starbucks coffee...

(just typing the words makes my mouth water!)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 132 of 229: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Jul 23, 1998 (01:05) * 2 lines 
 
BIG YUK!



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 133 of 229: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Jul 24, 1998 (21:27) * 1 lines 
 
Stout, blah! I'll just have the coffee.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 134 of 229: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 25, 1998 (01:01) * 3 lines 
 
ha-ha!!!

Do you get nice . . . eh . . . beer CANS in America. Ones that you could almost FRAME?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 135 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jul 25, 1998 (01:06) * 4 lines 
 
yeah, but beer in cans suck...

and again, what colors do you need?



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 136 of 229: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 25, 1998 (01:08) * 7 lines 
 
Different blues for sky, water and the different shades of blues to be found there.
Yellow.
Orange.
Purple or pink.
cans with interesting patterns on them.

Funny, always hate bottles, because it sucks up the bubbles.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 137 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jul 25, 1998 (01:15) * 3 lines 
 
okay, gonna send you a sample pack of the colors so you
can tell me which ones you like the best...then I'll start
drinking like mad!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 138 of 229: Host  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jul 25, 1998 (02:57) * 8 lines 
 
how many do you need, and by when?

I'm down for
Pepsi (blue)
RC (blue)
Cherry Coke (cool red and black geometrics)
Mountain Dew (green)
and a yellow and a purple, just not sure which yet...


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 139 of 229: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 25, 1998 (03:44) * 4 lines 
 
Cool!!! Just send'em as you drink'em - I can wait. I've got it planned in a way that I can work in different parts of the picture at a time, and it should all come together in the end - hopefully. But I can improvise if necessary. The Cherry Coke can sounds particularly interesting - be sure to send that one. And the blue ones defenitely - so far I've only been able to find two types of shiny blue - I need shiny and not shiny blues and greens.
Now, start DRINKING!

Geez, hope I don't turn people into alcoholics with this strange request!!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 140 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jul 25, 1998 (06:52) * 7 lines 
 
I visited a man once who built his whole house out of different colored
glass bottles. And the house was mostly underground, excpet the ceiling
which was like a stained glass window. He polished all the bottoms of
the bottles which made up his walls. It only took a few tiny sticks to
heat the place in his miniscule fireplace. On the surface was a
greenhouse. This was on a trip to a hot springs in Mendocino county.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 141 of 229: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 25, 1998 (07:21) * 1 lines 
 
OH, WOW!!! I wish I could have seen it! I would LOVE to love in a bottle house like that.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 142 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Jul 26, 1998 (08:07) * 3 lines 
 
If I ever make it back there to those hot springs in Mendocino I'll take
a video if the old man will let me. Provided it's still there and he's
still alive.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 143 of 229: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sun, Jul 26, 1998 (09:45) * 1 lines 
 
Please do - I'm sure it's really something.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 144 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Jul 26, 1998 (21:03) * 2 lines 
 
OK, remind me next time I say I'm going to California, which I do a
couple of times a year.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 145 of 229: Riette Walton  (riette) * Mon, Jul 27, 1998 (00:49) * 1 lines 
 
I am hanging on to your fingers, waiting for that day, babe!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 146 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 27, 1998 (09:27) * 2 lines 
 
Did ya hear that, she called me babe. Cool.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 147 of 229: Riette Walton  (riette) * Mon, Jul 27, 1998 (11:12) * 1 lines 
 
I got you . . .


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 148 of 229: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Dec  8, 1998 (18:00) * 2 lines 
 
When I used to drink: Pschorr Brau Dark, Heineken Dark, Guiness Extra Stout,
Grolsch, Dos Equis, Andeker, Miller Genuine Draft.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 149 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Mar 30, 1999 (18:55) * 10 lines 
 
Redhook Ale went an extra mile recently. The craft brewery received
kosher certification from the Orthodox Union (OU), which oversees
thousands of products for certification around the world.

Why did Redhook with its nine branded beers seek it? Kosher certification
signals to consumers that a product adheres to guidelines of quality,
purity and use of natural products, says Nelson Jay, marketing manager
of Redhook Brewery. Many non-Jewish consumers know kosher products
contain fewer preservatives and additives and adhere to stringent
manufacturing standards.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 150 of 229: Autumn   (autumn) * Wed, Mar 31, 1999 (10:06) * 1 lines 
 
Most of the products from my organic/health food co-op have kosher certification. I've always been puzzled by the kosher toothpaste, lollipops and soy sauce, etc., but I guess it's a purity thang.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 151 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr  1, 1999 (00:28) * 1 lines 
 
yep, those non-kosher pork-n-catfish lollipops would scare me more, I think...


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 152 of 229: Autumn   (autumn) * Sun, Apr  4, 1999 (22:03) * 1 lines 
 
heh-heh!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 153 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr  8, 1999 (20:07) * 4 lines 
 
Hey, Stace!!!

Have you had Fat Tire Amber?
If so, how would you rate it in the overall beer scheme of things?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 154 of 229: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Tue, Apr 13, 1999 (10:32) * 1 lines 
 
I would certainly not feel up to drinking something with a name like that. Reeks of burnt tires and motoroil, right?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 155 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Apr 13, 1999 (19:16) * 1 lines 
 
not the sample that I tried...


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 156 of 229: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (14:15) * 1 lines 
 
Had a cold, eh?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 157 of 229: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (14:36) * 1 lines 
 
too cold...


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 158 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (22:04) * 1 lines 
 
Aaaah a subject on which I have absolutely no expertise. I am a cork sniffer and under the table at that!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 159 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, May  2, 2000 (15:28) * 33 lines 
 
It's True, Beer Is Good For You!

Hops Used For Beer Is An Anti-Bacterial Agent

Learn More About On Your Side

CLEVELAND, Posted 1:56 p.m. September
28, 1999 -- It could be the best words a beer
drinker has heard since 'open bar.'

Is beer good for you?

NewsChannel5 reports one scientist says the
hops that make up beer are.

A Miller Brewing Company scientist has patented the use of acid
hops as an anti-bacterial agent.

Miller is even negotiating with a number of companies to use the
hops as a germ killer.

The researcher says it could be used in everything from toothpaste
and mouthwash to preservatives in hot dogs. But there's no word if
gargling with beer has the same effect.

Copyright 1999 by NewsNet5. All rights reserved. This material
may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.








 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 160 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, May  2, 2000 (16:35) * 35 lines 
 
Good health! Brewers toast study on beer
http://www.themercury.com.au/nie/mathguys/articles/1996/960612a1.htm

PEOPLE who drink beer in moderation live longer and are less likely to have heart
problems, according to a review of research on the links between alcohol and health.

There is a widespread view that moderate consumption of wine, not of beer, is good for the heart. But the authors of
the review say they found strong evidence that consumption of any alcoholic beverage was linked to a lower
risk of heart disease.

The Australian Brewers' Foundation medical research advisory committee has reviewed about 30 published
research papers from around the world on the link between alcohol and heart disease.

"Beer can be regarded as the drink of moderation be cause it has half the alcohol content of wine," the chairman
of the Brewers' Foundation medical research advisory committee, Professor Ross Kalucy, said.

"There is now an overwhelming consensus of medical opinion that moderate alcohol intake is protective
against heart disease in both men and women."

Consumption of no more than four glasses of beer a day for men, and two for women, is considered moderate.

Professor Kalucy, professor of psychiatry at Flinders University, said it had been shown that moderate drinkers
lived longer than people who did not drink at all.

Alcohol is known to boost a substance in the blood, known as higher density lipoprotein which protects blood vessels
against clotting and the buildup of plaque on artery walls due to cholesterol.

It was for this reason moderate consumption of alcohol was good for cardiac health, he said.

Brewers' Foundation chairman Professor Kwong Lee Dow said in a statement that this did not mean, however
that abstainers should be encouraged to take up drinking.

"Health authorities and educators need to acknowledge the role of alcohol in our society and develop policies
that minimise the potential physical, social and emotional harms that result from its use," he said.
AAP


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 161 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, May  2, 2000 (17:14) * 24 lines 
 
Cheery, Beer-y Kidneys
Those who have suffered the excruciating pain of kidney stones usually ask themselves what they could have done differently. Pirjo Pietinen and her colleagues in Finland now think they have an answer: Drink beer.

As part of an ongoing lung-cancer prevention study, Pietinen’s group collected detailed dietary information from their 27,000 male volunteers. All were smokers between the ages of 50 and 69. Within about 6 years of entering the study, 329 of the participants developed kidney stones.

Ordinarily, physicians advise people at high risk of recurring stones to drink plenty of liquids, especially water. Diluting the urine seems to slow the buildup of the stony calcium deposits that cause pain. However, all liquids are not equally beneficial. Studies have indicated that while coffee, tea, and alcohol
tend to reduce an individual’s risk of forming kidney stones, grapefruit and apple juices both foster stone
production. At least one study also indicated that soft-drink consumption might cultivate stones.

In these Finnish men, however, the researchers found no clear protection associated with water
consumption. Then again, Pietinen notes, "our measure of total water was not as good as it should be,
because the questionnaire we used didn’t ask about water drunk as such." Rather, they calculated
water intake based upon its usual contribution to other foods—such as soup or tea.

Though asking questions directly about water consumption might seem an essential first step in any
study of kidney stones, Pietinen points out that this was actually a re-crunching of numbers collected
as part of a lung-cancer study. This also explains why her group restricted participation to individuals
who smoked.

Unlike other studies, the Finnish scientists found no statistically significant link between alcohol
consumption and kidney-stone risk. "What’s interesting in our data," Pietinen told Science News
Online, "was that beer seemed to have a specific effect all its own."

....more at http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc99/9_18_99/food.htm


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 162 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, May  2, 2000 (17:17) * 1 lines 
 
See what kind of friend I am? You needed excuses to visit the Pub? I gave you a bunch of them. Okole maluna!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 163 of 229: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Fri, May  5, 2000 (04:42) * 1 lines 
 
Well, I did have a half pint of lager down at the bowling alley, didn't improve my score though!!!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 164 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, May  5, 2000 (14:11) * 1 lines 
 
-sigh


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 165 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (16:37) * 2 lines 
 
Brand Beer, Frans PG1LGF, says is the best.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 166 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (16:52) * 5 lines 
 
Correction, PE1LGF, Frans.

Echolink 29011.

That Pilsner is bewed in the S of Holland in Limburg Province. Brand Beer!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 167 of 229: Frans Verkooijen  (fransv) * Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (17:04) * 2 lines 
 
OK Paul, BRAND Beer is one off the famust Dutch beers you can get !!
Drink it cool It"s just if you kiss a Angel !


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 168 of 229: JOE  (g7hvp) * Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (17:39) * 3 lines 
 
Drink Newcastle Brown Ale and you think you see Angels
nice to see you on here Frans.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 169 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (17:50) * 3 lines 
 
Beer need either events or the right food to entice angels for me.I have not heard of Brand Beer but I shall look for someone who stocks it. Newcastle Brown Ale I have actually seen. Beatiful to see, it must be sensational to drink.

*salivating* and suddenly very thirsty! Aloha to the beer ddrinkers of the world. It is an art the Hawaiians did not create but they surely enjoy the product that others create. There are several micro breweries on the Big Island and one in Hilo. I have found no one who has actually tasted it. I may have to be the one to do it!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 170 of 229: Frans Verkooijen  (fransv) * Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (18:01) * 2 lines 
 
MarciaH,
I like difrent thinks from Hawai !!!! and after it a cool glas of Brand Beer !!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 171 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (18:21) * 1 lines 
 
Both these lads and I had a nice qso on Echolink today. Frans is becoming a regular like Joe!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 172 of 229: Autumn   (autumn) * Mon, Aug 26, 2002 (22:05) * 1 lines 
 
Shucks, I still prefer beer that comes from south of the border. :-)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 173 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Aug 27, 2002 (07:00) * 1 lines 
 
Tecate with a bit of lime?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 174 of 229: JOE  (g7hvp) * Tue, Aug 27, 2002 (13:55) * 6 lines 
 
You should try a good English Beer for tast etc ie Newcastle Brown or
a pint of scotch bitter.

lime kills the tast of beer it just tasts like lime yuk.

Joe England


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 175 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Aug 27, 2002 (13:58) * 1 lines 
 
I'll have to try that Newcastle Brown and that "Brand" Beer. They're next on my list.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 176 of 229: Autumn   (autumn) * Mon, Sep  2, 2002 (15:28) * 1 lines 
 
Never heard of Newcastle; the only English beer I've tried and really liked is Boddickers (sp?). Still prefer Corona with a twist!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 177 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct  4, 2002 (18:04) * 54 lines 
 
The top ten beers

Beer Advocate Top 10 Beers
Celebrator Doppelbock
Brauerei Aying 4.3/82
Storm King Stout
Victory Brewing Company 4.27/66
Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout
Old Brewery Tadcaster 4.24/124
Duvel
Duvel Moortgat NV. 4.2/106
HopDevil Ale
Victory Brewing Company 4.19/87
Shakespeare Stout
Rogue Ales 4.17/84
Samuel Smith's Imperial Stout
Old Brewery Tadcaster 4.14/51
Celebration Ale 2001
Sierra Nevada Brewing Co. 4.14/46
Aventinus Wheat Doppelbock
Brauerei Georg Schneider & Sohn 4.12/60
Maudite
Unibroue 4.09/65


according to beeradvocate.com

Celebrator Doppelbock
by: Jason
Review Date: 04-09-1999
Beer Id: 131 Avg User Rating: [ 4.55 / 5 ]

write a review read user reviews [ 82 ]

Beer Style: German-Style Doppelbock

Availability: year round

Presentation: 11.2 brown bottle with a foiled top and a plastic goat on the neck.

Appearance: Dark and intense looking, a big frothy tan head lays on top.

Smell: Big whiffs of toffee and caramel, slight spicy alcohol and light toasted malt
also.

Taste: Huge chewy malt of caramel and toast with a sharp twang of an even hop
bitterness and spicy alcohol. Some dried fruit comes through as well as some hop
leaf flavour. Does not dry too much in the end ... lots of residual sugars,
lingering caramel and fading grain in the end.

Notes: This is the mother of all Doppelbocks ... perfection in a bottle.

Alcohol by Volume: 6.7 %



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 178 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct  4, 2002 (18:08) * 25 lines 
 
And the bridesmaid of beers, number two in the beeradvocate.com's reviews:

Storm King Stout
by: Jason
Review Date: 09-10-2001
Beer Id: 1013 Avg User Rating: [ 4.58 / 5 ]

write a review read user reviews [ 66 ]

Beer Style: Stout, Imperial

Availability: limited edition

Presentation: 12 oz brown longneck bottle, no freshness date but this beer's strength alone gives it a very long shelf life.

Appearance: Pitch black liquid with a slow motion cascading effect after a hard pouring, the hard pouring yielded a dense and rocky light tan head that faded away as fast as a glacier moves.

Smell: Fresh hop leaf similar to tobacco cigar leaves with a bitter hop oil within, black currants and fresh ground espresso in the aroma also. A very mild rummy alcohol smell is noticeable, smells of chocolate cover rum soaked cherries.

Taste: Thick and creamy with a full and flexed body, smooth with minimal carbonation from the hard pouring ... even with a normal pouring there probably would be, at most, a moderate carbonation level. Roasted bitterness flavour draws long as well as the demanding hop character. Heavy hand of sweetness from front to middle with sweetened espresso and a black berry fruitiness. Hops kick in hard and flail around flavours of citrus, earth and leaf ... as soon as it peaks the roasted gives a one two punch of charcoal and dark chocolate. Roasted flavours intensify in the finish with a hitchhiking hop bitterness that just won't let go. After taste is endless.

Notes: This one goes down as one of the greatest, not just one of the greatest Imperial Stouts but as one of the greatest beers in the world. As close to perfection as you can get.

Alcohol by Volume: 9.1 %



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 179 of 229: Autumn   (autumn) * Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (21:30) * 1 lines 
 
Never heard of any of 'em.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 180 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (22:51) * 1 lines 
 
They're new to me as well, I found them on beeradvocate.com which is a highly developed and seemingly serious attempt to rate beers. Frans, on Echolink, has heard of these.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 181 of 229: JOE  (g7hvp) * Mon, Oct  7, 2002 (14:17) * 4 lines 
 
There a few Hundred bottled beers over here with names like MAD MONK, BLACK DIP,
But best of all is Newcastle Brown Ale.

Joe


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 182 of 229: JOE  (g7hvp) * Mon, Oct  7, 2002 (17:40) * 37 lines 
 
Try this Brown Ale

=============================================================================

Geordie Brown Ale



Ingredients:

*
* 2 cans Geordie Extra Strong ale
* 1 cup dark brown sugar
* 2 cups corn sugar
* 1/2 pound crystal malt
* 1/2 cup maltodextrin
* 1/2 teaspoon Irish moss
* 1 ounce Willamette leaf hops
*

Procedure:

Bring grain to boil in 1 gallon water; remove grain when water starts to
boil. Add another 1/2 gallon of water and bring to boil again. Add ex-
tract and sugars, boil for 15 minutes. Add Irish moss and hops for last
5 minutes of boil. Put it in fermenter with enough water to make 5
gallons. Add ale yeast and wait.


Specifics:

Original Gravity: 1.057
Final Gravity: 1.018






 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 183 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Oct  7, 2002 (19:01) * 1 lines 
 
We'll have to try this! It must be pretty sweet.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 184 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Mon, Dec  9, 2002 (15:21) * 1 lines 
 
I have since had a about half a dozen of the Doppelbock which is available by the bottle at Whole Foods and find it to be of excellent quality. I save it for special occasions like the recent Oklahoma Colorado Big Twelve Championship game which the Sooners, unfortunately, won.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 185 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Mar 11, 2003 (15:42) * 1 lines 
 
Frans, where did you get drinks of Hawaiian origin? Are you a world traveller or do you have an inventive bartender? I hope it is the former and you can duplicate it where you are now. I just MUST find a source of that beer. Perhaps our old friend who loves Amstel Beer best will tell me if it is available here.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 186 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Mar 30, 2003 (09:58) * 1 lines 
 
Might be on that site I menioned a few posts back?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 187 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Apr  1, 2003 (00:35) * 1 lines 
 
Hawaii is another planet. Even for chain stores. I'll check with John Burnett. He'll know!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 188 of 229: Conf admin  (cfadm) * Thu, Mar  3, 2005 (09:40) * 30 lines 
 
. . . more than 800 beers in a walk in cooler . . .



Whole Foods Market Prepares for March 3 Grand Opening of New Landmark Store and World Headquarters
Store anchors Austin's downtown revitalization, offers its hometown shoppers a mixture of food and theater unparalleled in the industry
(Austin, TX) - February 22, 2005 - Whole Foods Market® (Nasdaq: WFMI), the world's leading natural and organic foods supermarket, will celebrate the grand opening of its Austin landmark store and world headquarters on March 3. The opening coincides with the Austin-born company's 25th anniversary year. Even more than any other Whole Foods Market location, this landmark store represents a fresh and often surprising approach to the grocery shopping experience - as cooking demonstrations, food sampling, sit-down dining and takeout selections mingle with thousands of fresh and all natural ingredients in every department.

Located just blocks from where Whole Foods Market began as a small neighborhood grocer 25 years ago, the new store at the corner of Sixth Street and Lamar Boulevard is the company's largest, at 80,000 square feet. Though much larger in size, the store retains the charm and accessibility of its first location, with an intimate, village-style layout and passionate, attentive Team Members eager to assist guests.

"To put this store in perspective, every department features more variety than you'd find in a stand-alone specialty shop - but with products free of artificial additives, sweeteners, colorings, preservatives and hydrogenated oils," notes Whole Foods Market CEO John Mackey. "We're proud to offer such a world-class customer experience to our hometown Austin shoppers, who've been loyal to us from the beginning. Whole Foods Market is committed to the goal of being, not only the best natural foods store, but the finest food retailer in every community we serve."

Before shoppers even enter the new Lamar store, they will be greeted by the bright colors of the Market Hall, reminiscent of an outdoor farmer's market, with its extensive array of local products and the freshest seasonal fruits, vegetables and flowers. Just inside, nestled near the hand-stacked organic produce, is Lamar Street Greens, a sit-down dining area where customers can enjoy made-to-order salads and sip a glass of wine as they watch the chef at work.

Seafood can be described in one word - theater - with more than 150 fresh seafood items and on-the-spot shucking, cooking, smoking, slicing and frying to order. You may be reminded of the excitement of Seattle's famous Pike Place Market when you see the trained fishmongers pitching whole fresh fish to each other. In addition, natural and organic meats will be aged on site, and an in-house smoker will prepare ready-to-go items and special orders. There's more fun at Candy Island, a sweet tooth's paradise, which will tempt with treats from toffee and fudge to handmade lollipops, popcorn balls, and a chocolate fountain for enrobing fresh and dried fruit. A Hot Nut Bar will be stocked with fresh nuts daily from an in-house nut roaster, and the World Foods section will feature the best pre-packaged and to-go items from Brazil to India for shoppers who crave exotic flavors.

This marriage of food and fun continues at dine-in eateries sprinkled throughout the store, all dishing up freshly prepared, restaurant-quality salads, seafood, sushi, pasta, and desserts. Additional takeout counters will offer noodle bowls, satays, stir fries, "living foods" and fresh squeezed juices.

"Our Team Members have tasted their way around the world to bring the most authentic flavors to our new Whole Foods Market," says Whole Foods Market Southwest Regional Vice President Bruce Silverman. "Our focus on ethnic cuisine, combined with our respect for and support of Texas products from the best local food artisans and growers, will ensure that our guests can explore countless new ideas in food."

A Snapshot of Variety: By the Numbers
1,800 wines, with suggested food pairings and tasting flights
More than 800 beer selections in a walk-in beer cooler
More than 600 of the world's best varieties of fresh, soft, hard-ripened, artisan and aged cheeses
70 cuts of fresh meat prepared in house, 32 varieties of fresh-made sausage and more than 50 chef-prepared, oven-ready selections
50 fresh-baked hearth breads available every day
40 varieties of stuffed and marinated olives, capers and other antipasto
18 flavors of handmade gelato, with flavors ranging from vanilla orange fig to chocolate chipotle
14 pastry chefs concocting creations from baked Alaska to apple pie á la mode



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 189 of 229: Food fabulous food  (cfadm) * Thu, Mar  3, 2005 (09:41) * 1 lines 
 
The Grand opening is today, I'll definitely check out the beer cooler.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 190 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Mar 12, 2005 (16:08) * 1 lines 
 
Walk-in beer cooler? That is what every red blooded US male needs for the Superbowl. St Pauli Girl is good stuff if you like beer :)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 191 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Mon, Mar 14, 2005 (11:10) * 2 lines 
 
I've seen that, never tried it though.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 192 of 229: wer  (WERoland) * Sat, Aug 27, 2005 (19:34) * 1 lines 
 
Now here is a topic I miss!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 193 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Sun, Aug 28, 2005 (13:30) * 12 lines 
 
In case you were wondering about "mead"?

Mead

Sponsored by Stawski Distributing Thanks to Julia Herz at Honeywine.com for her guidance and assistance in compiling this section.

MeadMade from honey, a food dating back 14 million years by some accounts, it seems very appropriate that Meads origins, shrouded by eons of history and mystery, are uncovered in virtually every level of the development of civilization. Considering the possibility that a crude form of the drink could easily have spontaneously occurred through ingress of water and naturally occurring yeast, it could be the first alcoholic beverage to pass the lips of man.

Known by many names and as different as individual snowflakes, Mead is a global beverage. Predating both grape wine and beer, it's known in various forms on every continent on Earth. Mead is perhaps best known as the preferred drink of Vikings and Celts, beloved by re-enactors everywhere as the authentic drink of the medieval times.

I like the Viking part.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 194 of 229: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Aug 28, 2005 (19:40) * 1 lines 
 
there are some guys here that are crazy about a place called Hills and Dales, guess you can get all kinds of beer there.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 195 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Sun, Aug 28, 2005 (22:30) * 1 lines 
 
The Bitter End burned down in Austin recently, I'm not sure if they were noted for their beer but they were in one of the oldest buildings in town.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 196 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Oct  1, 2005 (19:21) * 1 lines 
 
There are some micro-breweries in Louisville attached to rather pricy restaurants. I do want to try one or several, though I am not much of a drinker. I can share it !!


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 197 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Tue, Oct  4, 2005 (22:59) * 1 lines 
 
Michelob is in my fridge. Plus some beers I can't remember the name of. Oh, Paulander is what I just had.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 198 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Oct  5, 2005 (15:28) * 1 lines 
 
Michelob should be drunk in draft style but if you have to have it at home, it is the best of what I have tasted. I truly enjoy Michelob.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 199 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Fri, Oct  7, 2005 (09:27) * 5 lines 
 
It's in a glass bottle. It's morning so I can't expatiate on beer now.

Maybe this evening I'll come back to do some beer talk.

My neighbor Bert Godkin likes to drink beer, I told him we should get together and drink a few beers some time.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 200 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Oct  7, 2005 (15:28) * 1 lines 
 
Those Michelob bottles make great wind chimes. I had one my son made in grade school.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 201 of 229: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Oct  7, 2005 (18:30) * 1 lines 
 
i have some co-workers who have guy dates at Hills & Dales....


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 202 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Fri, Oct  7, 2005 (22:35) * 1 lines 
 
I think I'll have a beer. Weird, whenever I check this topic I get thirsty for a beer.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 203 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Oct  8, 2005 (01:24) * 1 lines 
 
Funny how the power of suggestion makes you thirsty. Actually it sounds good. I haven't had draft Michelob since I was in college. *sigh*


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 204 of 229: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Oct  8, 2005 (14:33) * 1 lines 
 
*sigh* i don't even know what beer tastes like and truthfully, i don't really wanna....


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 205 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Oct  8, 2005 (17:14) * 1 lines 
 
I think you might not like it. I could tell you what it reminds me of but then again this IS a food conference. I don't drink either.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 206 of 229: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Tue, Oct 25, 2005 (15:49) * 60 lines 
 
9,000-Year-Old Beer Re-Created From Chinese Recipe

John Roach
National Geographic News

A Delaware brewer with a penchant for exotic drinks recently concocted a beer similar to one brewed in China some 9,000 years ago.

Sam Calagione of the Dogfish Head brewery in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, used a recipe that included rice, honey, and grape and hawthorn fruits. He got the formula from archaeologists who derived it from the residues of pottery jars found in the late Stone Age village of Jiahu in northern China.


The residues are the earliest direct evidence of brewed beverages in ancient China.

"We can't prove that an alcoholic beverage was definitely produced in the jars—the alcohol is gone—but it's not that difficult to infer," said Patrick McGovern, an archaeochemist at the University of Pennsylvania's Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology in Philadelphia.

McGovern, an expert in the origins and history of alcoholic beverages, performed the chemical analysis on the pottery. He said fruit juices and liquid honey in a temperate climate would easily ferment, allowing for the production of alcohol.

In addition, he said, the setting of the Jiahu site suggests the pottery jugs likely held alcoholic beverages drunk at funeral or religious ceremonies.

McGovern's findings were published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in December 2004.

Ancient Brew

In earlier research McGovern found evidence of a similar alcoholic beverage in a 2,700-year-old royal tomb in Turkey—perhaps that of King Midas. He then collaborated with Calagione, Dogfish Head's president, to re-create the drink.

The result was Midas Touch Golden Elixir, a brew that "put us on the map for historical beers," Calagione said. Based on the success of Midas Touch—it has won several beer-festival medals—McGovern again turned to Dogfish Head to brew up the ancient concoction from China.

"Hence Chateau Jiahu," Calagione said, referring to the new-old brew's brand name.

Mike Gerhart, distillery manager at Dogfish Head's brewery in Milton, Delaware, led the Chateau Jiahu project. "It was one of the more creative and exciting projects I've ever worked on," he said.

McGovern, the archeochemist, knew the ingredients of the ancient drink from Jiahu, "but he wasn't sure how to use them or how they would go into action," Gerhart said.

The trick for Gerhart was to mimic the brewing process used in China 9,000 years ago.


To get the fermentation started, McGovern imported a mold cake—traditionally used in making Chinese rice wines—from a colleague in Beijing. Gerhart mashed the cake into the rice. Once that became "funky and began to grow," he added other ingredients, including water, honey, grapes, hawthorn fruit, and chrysanthemum flowers.

"We also turned up the brew kettle much higher than we ever would today—we know back then they would have had some type of earthen pot with a fire burning directly below it—to replicate those flavors we know formed, somewhat burnt and caramelized," he said.

To comply with U.S. federal brewing regulations, Gerhart had to add barley malt, though he said he mashed and fermented out most of the barley flavor.

Defying Description

Given the requisite addition of barley malt to Chateau Jiahu, Dogfish Head's concoction is classified as a beer, Calagione said. However, McGovern said the beverage made in China 9,000 years ago defies description.

"We called it a mixed beverage, because we're not sure where it fits in," he said.

Gerhart too struggled to categorize the beverage. "It wasn't a beer, it wasn't a mead, and it wasn't a wine or a cider. It was somewhere between all of them, in this gray area," he said.

Visually, Gerhart described Chateau Jiahu as gold in color with a dense, white head similar to champagne bubbles. Calagione said the beverage most closely resembles a Belgian-style ale.

According to McGovern, the brew is "very intriguing" with a taste and aroma of the grape and hawthorn fruits. To better match the 9,000-year-old beverage, however, he said it should probably be sweeter.

"Sugar is relatively rare in nature, yet we're very much attracted to it. We're also attracted to alcohol—all animals are attracted to these substances. They [the ancient Chinese] would have wanted to retain as much sugar as they could. They would have had a sweet tooth," he said.

Dogfish Head sold out its first batch of Chateau Jiahu. Most was consumed at a May debut dinner at the Waldorf-Astoria hotel in New York City, the remainder quickly drunk at the Milton brewery by beer fans of exotic beer.

Calagione hopes to brew up a larger batch this fall and, potentially, to market it widely, as he has Midas Touch.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0718_050718_ancientbeer.html


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 207 of 229: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Tue, Oct 25, 2005 (15:51) * 35 lines 
 
"Antibiotic" Beer Gave Ancient Africans Health Buzz

John Roach
National Geographic News

Humans have been downing beer for millennia. In certain instances, some drinkers got an extra dose of medicine, according to an analysis of Nubian bones from Sudan in North Africa.

George Armelagos is an anthropologist at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia. For more than two decades, he and his colleagues have studied bones dated to between A.D. 350 and 550 from Nubia, an ancient kingdom south of ancient Egypt along the Nile River.


The bones, the researchers say, contain traces of the antibiotic tetracycline. Today tetracycline is used to treat ailments ranging from acne flare-ups to urinary-tract infections. But the antibiotic only came into commercial use half a century ago. So how did tetracycline get into the Nubian bones?

Armelagos and his team say they found an answer in ancient beer. The brew was made from grain contaminated with the bacteria streptomycedes, which produces tetracycline.

The ancient Nubians, according to Armelagos, stored their grain in mud bins. A soil bacteria, streptomycedes is ubiquitous in arid climates like Sudan's.

"We looked at how the grain was used then and came across a recipe for beer," Armelagos said. The Nubians would make dough with the grain, bake it briefly at a hot temperature, and then use it to make beer.

"We're not talking about Heineken or Bud Light. This was a thick gruel, sort of a sour cereal," he said.

Feel-Good Drink

According to Armelagos, the Nubians would drink the gruel and probably allowed their children to eat what was left at the bottom of the vat. Traces of tetracycline have been found in more than 90 percent of the bones the team examined, including those of 24-month-old infants.

But did the Nubians know they were drinking beer contaminated with tetracycline?

"They probably realized the alcohol made them feel better, but there is a whole series of Egyptian pharmacopoeias [medicine books] that talk about things beer can help with," Armelagos said. (The ancient Nubians had no written language but lived just south of the Egyptians who did.)

Armelagos said the Egyptians used beer as a gum-disease treatment, a dressing for wounds, and even an anal fumigant—a vaporborne pesticide to treat diseases of the anus. The anthropologist also believes the tetracycline protected the Nubians from bone infections, as all the bones he examined are infection free.

Charlie Bamforth, a professor of biochemistry and brewing science at the University of California, Davis, said that beer has been a staple of the human diet for thousands of years and that the health benefits of beer were likely known, even if not scientifically explained, in ancient times.

"They must have consumed it because it was rather tastier than the grain from which it was derived. They would have noticed people fared better by consuming this product than they were just consuming the grain itself," he said.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0516_050516_ancientbeer.html


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 208 of 229: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Tue, Oct 25, 2005 (15:53) * 51 lines 
 
Beer Brewing Paralleled the Rise of Civilization

Kurt Stoppkotte
National Geographic News

Malting, mashing, boiling, and fermenting … the basic process of brewing beer has remained relatively unchanged for thousands of years.

Using his own gravity-fed brewing system, fabricated of Styrofoam coolers, plastic tubes, sliced kegs, and a propane stove, home brewer Steve Marler of Arlington, Virginia, pursues an activity that has been associated with the beginnings of civilization.



"I'm just converting starches into sugars, boiling it with hops and adding yeast," Marler said. "Basically, it's very simple, and in a few weeks I will be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor."

The brewing methods that Steve Marler employs in the backyard of his suburban home are undoubtedly much like those that were used 6,000 years ago by the Sumarians, whose beer brewing was the first recorded knowledge of the practice.

Hailed by Caesar

Michael Jackson, author of the World Guide to Beer, says the relatively simple process of converting grain into a palatable substance—or "liquid bread"—is at least as old as civilization. "There is a perfectly respectable academic theory that civilization began with beer," he noted.

Some people contend that beer may have been the staple of mankind's diet even before bread was invented.

During the Neolithic Revolution, bands of hunters and gatherers began forming organized communities to cultivate the land—the beginning of civilization. "We know that in farming the land, they grew things, and the first thing grown was cereal grains in the Fertile Crescent of the Middle East," said Jackson.

"The first thing they did with that grain," he added, "was make it into beer. We don't know whether they were trying to make beer, or just trying to find a way to make grain edible."

The idea behind the theories about the early emergence of beer is that grains could be grown in poorer soils and required less water to grow than other crops, such as grapes. Unlike grapes, however, grains had no juice to extract. Therefore, they had to be soaked in water, which led to a natural fermentation process that produced what Julius Caesar described as "a high and mighty liquor."

So which came first, beer or civilization?

Dave Alexander, owner and operator of the Brickskeller in downtown Washington, D.C., argues that "beer is probably the reason for civilization."

There is pretty strong evidence that after the first sampling of fermented beverages, man realized he had to end his nomadic life and settle down to grow grains and to continue to produce the beer," Alexander surmised.

Simple Process, Varied Results


Although the brewing process has remained basically the same, the results now vary considerably. The Brickskeller, a clearinghouse for beers from around the world, opened in 1957 with 51 beers on its menu. Today, it has 971 varieties in stock.

The vast selection is what attracts Mike Bengston, who has frequented the Brickskeller for 20 years. "There is always a beer that will fit every mood you are in," he said.

The large increase in the range of beers available over the past 15 years stems mainly from the growth of microbreweries and their challenge to large-scale industrial beer production.

At the Old Dominion microbrewery in Ashburn, Virginia, 50 kegs of beer are brewed every four hours. "In a big brewery, it looks very complicated, with all the different pipes and pumps and all kinds of things, but really, all they are doing is moving stuff around," said Scott Zetterstom, Old Dominion's master brewer. "You're just making sugar water, and it's really not that complicated."

Although the brewing process itself has remained fairly consistent for more than 10,000 years, a beer gets its distinctive flavor from how the grain-derived sugar water is fermented and other ingredients that may be added.

Alexander is proud to be able to offer his customers 971 different varieties. Yet he is quick to defend the major breweries from attacks by beer drinkers who tend to treat the products of microbreweries as inherently superior.

"The fact of the matter is that it was those [traditional] beers that actually got you to drink in the first place, and they will always be the beers that still get people to like beer," said Alexander. "They have an important place in the world of malted beverages for that reason, and they will always be popular."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/04/0424_kurtbeer.html


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 209 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 13, 2005 (21:13) * 1 lines 
 
Oh this is soo good! Thanks Cheryl. It still sounds terrible and mostly tastes like that, too.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 210 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 13, 2005 (21:13) * 1 lines 
 
If beer weren't mind altering would anyone drink it?


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 211 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Thu, Nov 17, 2005 (16:43) * 1 lines 
 
Yeah.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 212 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Nov 17, 2005 (19:50) * 1 lines 
 
You MUST be a fan.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 213 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Sat, Nov 19, 2005 (21:44) * 1 lines 
 
I like the taste of beer.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 214 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 20, 2005 (15:13) * 1 lines 
 
I hear the more mature you are the more you like bitter tastes. My dad passed that on to me and I have discovered it is true as has my son. Maybe I should give beer another try. With pizza, of course.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 215 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Sun, Nov 20, 2005 (16:46) * 1 lines 
 
I like beer alone, coke and pizza. Though I rarely drink coke.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 216 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Nov 24, 2005 (12:53) * 1 lines 
 
I usually drink coke when I am eating out unless it is frigid and I need coffee to warm me up. Water is my drink it alone liquid of choice.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 217 of 229: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Tue, Dec  6, 2005 (08:29) * 1 lines 
 
I'm not really a fan of beer -- but it goes nicely with crab legs.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 218 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Tue, Dec  6, 2005 (19:01) * 1 lines 
 
Or any kind of fish.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 219 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Tue, Dec  6, 2005 (19:02) * 1 lines 
 
Guiness goes good with fish and chips.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 220 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 10, 2005 (00:05) * 1 lines 
 
It has to be pizza and draft Michelob (if my college memory serves me)


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 221 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Sat, Dec 10, 2005 (07:44) * 7 lines 
 
Beer, Chips and Cricket • Cricket ... This is a site about drinking
beer, eating chips and thinking cricket ... that I drink a lot of beer,
eat a lot of chips and think a lot about cricket ...

http://beerchipsandcricket.blogspot.com/




 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 222 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 16, 2005 (16:20) * 3 lines 
 
YOU think about cricket? Now you tell me. I listened to all night broadcasts on short wave radio for years from Australia and New Zealand and occasionally from Lords, the very home of the game.

Tea is the beverage I always think of...


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 223 of 229: Unknown (terry) * Thu, Apr  6, 2006 (00:36) * 12 lines 
 
Conan O'Brien had a beer taster on tonight.

Least favorite beer. Corona.

Smoke Beer. chocolate malt.

Brooklyn Chocalat Stout.

http://www.beerhunter.com

Michael Jackson is the beer tasters name.



 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 224 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Apr  6, 2006 (18:27) * 3 lines 
 
The British accented Michael Jackson? I would trust is taste, I think.

The last beer I had was with corned beef and cabbage and was tinted a lovely emerald green for St Patrick's Day. It was "lite" beer in authentic German beer glasses and tasted very good - and very hardly at all alcholic. I think it would not be popular on college campuses, but I enjoyed it more than most beer.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 225 of 229: Food Walrus (terry) * Thu, Apr  6, 2006 (22:36) * 1 lines 
 
It was a funny interview. He had to be told his fly was open and Amanda Peet was looking on. I missed the middle part (tv glitch).


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 226 of 229: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Apr  7, 2006 (15:38) * 3 lines 
 
Oh my goodness. He is so refined and dignified. I'll bet it was hilarious. I'm sorry I missed it.

Under threat of tornadoes currently. But it looks like all the fun weather has gone either side of us to the north and south. Indianapolis and Nashville always seem to get the worst of the storms that come thru here for whatever reason.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 227 of 229: eater (cfadm) * Sun, Jul  2, 2006 (09:52) * 1 lines 
 
It was funny.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 228 of 229: wer  (WERoland) * Thu, Oct 11, 2007 (18:01) * 5 lines 
 
From this year's Best of Austin in the Chronicle...

Best Beer/Wine Selection: Grape Vine Market

Grape Vine stocks every beer available in our region and one of the largest selections of German and Italian wine in the country. Not enough? They also found it fit to stock one of the largest single-malt whiskey collections in the world. That's a lot of fermented and distilled glory! Stuck on indecision? Leave it to their über-knowledgeable staff to point you to the right ales for what ails you.


 Topic 11 of 88 [food]: beer
 Response 229 of 229: Paul Terry Walhus  (paul) * Thu, Aug 20, 2009 (09:04) * 1 lines 
 
There are a lot of good beers on tap and in bottles at the Gingerman in Austin, TX ... highly recommended. I recently had a beer meetup there with Alex Jones, and a group forming the "lastpanel" submission to SXSW.

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