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Topic 108 of 108: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)

Tue, Aug 9, 2011 (21:17) | Dorine (gomezdo)

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 Response 1 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sun, Aug 28, 2011 (13:52) * 3 lines 
 
I get that impression, too, about Linda. Her DD had a post on FB last night about being at the shore, but wasn't sure if they were with Linda's mom or in their own place.

I didn't lose power, but had a bit of a leak in the corner of the living room where there are 2 windows. Has a history of leaking there, but just did a big, almost yearlong fix on the roof because of many leaks previously all over, but clearly whatever they did, didn't fix this one. A tree down the street fell on 2 neighbors cars. My super and I were just joking that people keep going up to it and taking pics like it's a tourist attraction.


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 Response 2 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Aug 28, 2011 (15:34) * 3 lines 
 
Thanks,for your kind words, Mari. My Aunt couldn't have children, we spent many a happy holiday with her and my Uncle. She was like a second Mum to me :-)

Hope all is well for Linda? Thank goodness the Hurricane didn't hit as hard as they expected. Very sad about the 11 year old boy losing his life and others.


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 Response 3 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sun, Aug 28, 2011 (17:21) * 3 lines 
 
What a crazy week. Earthquakes, and then Irene, which luckily, was only a tropical storm by me. Lots of rain and heavy winds, but we did not lose electricity.

I'm happy to hear all DD's are fine. And, sorry about your aunt, Sue.


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 Response 4 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Aug 28, 2011 (17:36) * 4 lines 
 
Glad the storm abated before it hit NYC etc, but sad that it cost some lives.

Apparently the tail end of the storm will hit Scotland by the weekend.
No big deal, but the weather has been pretty awful of late, and it would have been nice to get some sun before Autumn arrives:-(


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 Response 5 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Aug 31, 2011 (09:14) * 7 lines 
 
Text from LindaK:
They are bone dry! ...only house in the neighborhood that didn't take in water in the basement.
No phone service. Texts OK.Move going smoothly.

(Note to Boss: I still don't have phone on all the time. Really, don't like cell phones ! But will be better at Newark next time:-)))))




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 Response 6 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Aug 31, 2011 (09:39) * 2 lines 
 
(Dorine) A tree down the street fell on 2 neighbors cars. My super and I were just joking that people keep going up to it and taking pics like it's a tourist attraction.
I know exactly what that looks like. During one of our violent storms last month, a big tree fell about a block away. There was a car parked right in front of it, so it landed right smack dab on it, then it took out four cars across the street. If there hadn't been a tree across the street, it would no doubt have damaged the homes. The tree wasn't removed for several days, but it attracted a lot of neighborhood attention and kids were climbing all over it and their parents taking pictures.


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 Response 7 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Sep 15, 2011 (16:43) * 2 lines 
 
Very strange ...
http://talesfromthelou.wordpress.com/tag/grangemouth/


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 Response 8 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sat, Oct  1, 2011 (11:22) * 5 lines 
 
Interesting article:

http://news.yahoo.com/amanda-knox-three-countries-three-different-portrayals-104209170.html

However, I did watch the Lifetime movie made a year or so about her and I didn't think it was flattering at all. In fact they portrayed her as uncaring and unsympathetic, leaving it wide open that she was certainly capable of committing the murder.


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 Response 9 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Sat, Oct  1, 2011 (13:11) * 14 lines 
 
And everyone knows Lifetime movies are rooted in truth.;-)

She was interrogated for 12 hours--and all that time was denied a lawyer or an interpreter.

The victim's alleged DNA found on the knife was, upon the recent review, found to be . . . wait for it . . . a morsel of rye bread. Key material from the scene was left to sit in the apartment for 6 weeks, then handled hamfistedly, even stepped on--and allowed into evidence. This was on 20/20 last night. Beyond sloppy. Unforgiveable.

So two kids have been sitting in jail for years, and I can't even imagine what Meredith's family have gone through while these clowns botched the whole thing, having to relive the pain through appeals, studies, media sensationalism. What a circus.

I'm reminded of my comment the other week that Livia never criticizes the Italian judicial system. This part from your linked article is interesting; maybe she's afraid she'd be tossed in jail.

Italy is a sunny place, but free speech is rather chilled. The nation was ranked 79th in press freedom in 2009. . . . journalists in Italy covering cases like the Kercher murder must rely on tips from individual lawyers. . .
Adding to the selective information download, journalists in Italy approached the case with a casual attitude toward facts. If a lawyer said something - anything - it was broadcast or printed, subject to debate, but rarely if ever an official correction.





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 Response 10 of 542: Peggy   (slpeg2003) * Sat, Oct  1, 2011 (13:27) * 11 lines 
 
That story is very interesting. It just shows how information can be manipulated to arouse different opinions.

I didn't see the lifetime show. I watched the 20/20 special last night and she was portrayed as a victim of the over zealous prosecutor trying to save face (he was recently convicted of "abuse of office" regarding a previous case).
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6999196.ece

There is a serious lack of forensic evidence and motive to convict her, at least by U.S. standards.
I really feel terribly sorry for Meredith Kercher's family, too. They have suffered so much and it is still unresolved.

I think I'll look into this book "The Monster of Florence" which is discussed in this blog.
http://keithridgway.com/tag/giuliano-mignini/
Both authors were interviewed by Elizabeth Vargas for the 20/20 story.


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 Response 11 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Sat, Oct  1, 2011 (14:42) * 7 lines 
 
(PeggY)over zealous prosecutor trying to save face (he was recently convicted of "abuse of office" regarding a previous case).

Oh yes, I forgot about that. And he's still practicing. As for lack of motive, now the prosecutor is saying she kiled "for no reason" which apparently gets you the heaviest sentence over there. He admitted to Elizabeth Vargas that he no longer believes the stuff he threw against the wall earlier.

I really feel terribly sorry for Meredith Kercher's family, too. They have suffered so much and it is still unresolved.

IMO, the other guy convicted, Rudy Guede, is the man. But yes, my heart goes out to Meredith's family. To see your child abused and slaughtered like that. It's unspeakable. Poor people.


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 Response 12 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Sat, Oct  1, 2011 (21:00) * 1 lines 
 
The whole Amanda Knox situation is a terrible fiasco. That idiot prosecutor sees sex cults in bushes. He's an arrogant a-hole and perpetual liar! His career, such as it is, is on the line so he will fight tooth and nail to uphold her unjust conviction while he appeals his own conviction for abuse of power. What a joke he is! Sadly this joke has innocent young people rotting in jail and a murdered girl without justice. Italy seems to have trial by public opinion which was fostered by sensationalism in the press before the trial. Meanwhile that chick in Florida gets off Scot free after not reporting her daughter missing for a month....among who knows what else she did! Where is the justice?


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 Response 13 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct  2, 2011 (13:59) * 2 lines 
 
Although some of the evidence against her appears to be disputed, her behaviour in the immediate aftermath of the murder was rather bizarre.
She's not the innocent little girl her family are portraying her as, I don't think.


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 Response 14 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Oct  2, 2011 (16:27) * 2 lines 
 
(Janet) Although some of the evidence against her appears to be disputed, her behaviour in the immediate aftermath of the murder was rather bizarre.
But behavior (odd, I would agree) shouldn't be the basis for a conviction. There should be solid and undisputed evidence.


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 Response 15 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct  2, 2011 (17:33) * 5 lines 
 
A botched investigation it would seem, but why implicate another in the crime, why did she and her co-accused change their stories, and also switch off their mobiles around the same time?
Also, a friend of Melanie gave evidence that Knox said Melanie had died of loss of blood before this had been mentioned by the police.





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 Response 16 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (07:25) * 1 lines 
 
Sorry, Meredith.


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 Response 17 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (10:27) * 2 lines 
 
(Janet) but why implicate another in the crime, why did she and her co-accused change their stories, and also switch off their mobiles around the same time?
None of these things are avidence. There were witnesses and no physical evidence, not to mention lack of motive. In my country and yours, a person could not be convicted of murder without those things being established "beyond a shadow of a doubt." I can't speak for the Italian justice system because it is not based on the same precepts.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 18 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (10:27) * 1 lines 
 
Ooops... Should read "there were NO witnesses..."


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 Response 19 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (10:51) * 2 lines 
 
Isn't it beyond reasonable doubt?
I still believe she knows more than she's saying, guilty or not.


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 Response 20 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (11:08) * 6 lines 
 
Yes, that is the phrase. Still early here (woke up late). But doesn't change anything.

(Janet) I still believe she knows more than she's saying, guilty or not.
Regardless, she shouldn't be convicted of a crime if she didn't commit it or was a party to it (an accessory or in a conspiracy to do it). Also, it seems rather doubtful to me that she does know more. Presumably one would keep silent in order to protect someone. Who would she be protecting at this point other than herself?




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 Response 21 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (11:30) * 7 lines 
 
Has her previous behaviour been covered in the US press? Not that it would make her guilty obviously, but her character does not appear to be that put forward by her parents.

A former workmate says she laughed hysterically when she found out he was Jewish, screaming," My people killed your people!." Very disturbing behaviour:-(
She has admitted she took drugs on the night of the murder, and has changed her story several times.
Who knows what she was capable of?




 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 22 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (11:45) * 2 lines 
 
(Janet) Has her previous behaviour been covered in the US press?
As I wrote earlier, the made-for-TV movie displayed her very odd and suspect behavior. It did not paint her as an angel or innocent, well-adjusted kid.


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 Response 23 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (14:58) * 1 lines 
 
They've both been cleared.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 24 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (15:57) * 1 lines 
 
And now the media circus begins....


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 Response 25 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (16:00) * 1 lines 
 
Another example of the American press not standing 100% behind Amanda is that Barbie journalist from Newsweek, who wrote the book, and was the one consulted by Winterbottom and Colin.


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 Response 26 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Mon, Oct  3, 2011 (20:46) * 5 lines 
 
In all of this, who is thinking of the poor girl that died. That said, If the evidence is not conclusive, she had to be released.

I heard that Donald Trump paid her legal fees?!

Italians are 50/50 on her guilt/innocence.


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 Response 27 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (10:41) * 15 lines 
 
(Moon)If the evidence is not conclusive, she had to be released.

The jury had two options to aquit: determining there wasn't evough evidence to uphold the conviction, or finding that Amanda and Raffaele did not commit the crime. They chose the latter, clearing them completely.

I heard that Donald Trump paid her legal fees?!

If that were true, I think he would have paid for a charter flight to get her home asap, and that didn't happen; she flew commercial.

Where's our star tweeter on this situation?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/04/amanda-knox-meredith-kercher-media
The Italian media, cowed, lazy and compliant, allowed a bullying prosecutor to frame Knox and Sollecito for the Kercher murder





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 Response 28 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (12:10) * 1 lines 
 
In the apt, the police found lots of sexual toys drugs, it seems that Amanda was VERY sexually active(W)! Lots of men had been in her house. ;-)


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 Response 29 of 542: Peggy   (slpeg2003) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (13:34) * 4 lines 
 
(Moon)In the apt, the police found lots of sexual toys drugs, it seems that Amanda was VERY sexually active(W)! Lots of men had been in her house. ;-)

Winkie = sarcasm?
A vibrator (which she claimed was a bon voyage gag gift) and more than a couple of boyfriends makes one a she witch? Oh, and I forgot the pot!


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 Response 30 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (13:39) * 7 lines 
 
This is what disturbs me-she brought various strange men back to the flat. Meredith didn't approve, not surprisingly.
I know how my daughter would feel in that situation, and put drugs into the mix, anything could, and apparently did, happen:-((

I still feel she was involved in some way, although most probably not in the actual murder.

I really feel for the Kercher family-the agony goes on.



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 Response 31 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (13:41) * 10 lines 
 
The Madonna/whore complex, and the Italians seem to be big on it.

You have to read this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-burleigh-knox-20111004,0,2921659.story

In person, in prison and in the media, the woman convicted by an Italian court of murder — and now exonerated — was subjected to all manner of outlandish, misogynistic behavior.





 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 32 of 542: Peggy   (slpeg2003) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (14:04) * 8 lines 
 
(Janet) I still feel she was involved in some way, although most probably not in the actual murder.

Really? I don't think she had anything to do with it.
The prosecutor needed a suspect and, voila!, he created "luciferina" — a she-devil — capable of a special, female duplicity

Thanks Mari for the Nina Burleigh articles.




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 Response 33 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (16:40) * 5 lines 
 
The prosecutor is an idiot, obviously, with his ranting comments He didn't help the prosecution case at all.

I still believe she knows far more than she is letting on, but oui'll never know the full .

-Would you let your daughter room with her?


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 Response 34 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (16:41) * 1 lines 
 
*full story-my PC's playing up:-(


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 Response 35 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (16:43) * 1 lines 
 
The prosecutor didn't need a suspect, they had Guede.


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 Response 36 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Oct  4, 2011 (23:13) * 5 lines 
 
No, Amanda and Raffaele were arrested first. Guede wasn't arrested until further examination of the crime scene where they found his prints. The prosecutors and police then had to save face to avoid the embarrassment of a) admitting that they arrested the wrong people (Mignini was already under indictment) and b) previously and repeatedly failing to prosecute Guede in a series of break-ins with a knife.

It's all here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/04/knox-acquittal-only-possible-verdict


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 Response 37 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Wed, Oct  5, 2011 (13:59) * 27 lines 
 
PERUGIA, Italy — From the beginning, it was a case of contradictions, and the questions did not end with the verdict that freed Amanda Knox.

The acquittal of the American and her ex-boyfriend in the murder of her British roommate left open the core mystery of whether anyone — other than the lone man still behind bars — took part in the brutal killing.

But it also begged questions that stretch back to the early days of the investigation into the 2007 death of Meredith Kercher.

Why did Knox initially tell prosecutors she was in the apartment that night and had to cover her ears to drown out her friend’s screams as she was brutally attacked by a man Knox falsely accused?

There was also a purported burglary at the apartment that night — staged, prosecutors alleged, by the killers to derail the investigation. Who staged it and why?

And then there was the alibi of Knox’s ex-boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, whose conviction was also overturned Monday. He claimed he was at home working on his computer the night of Nov. 1, 2007, yet police testified there was no sign he had used it that evening.

Monday’s verdict, reversing Knox and Sollecito’s 2009 murder convictions, didn’t answer any of those questions. And it’s unlikely the appeals court’s written explanation of its decision — due within 90 days — will shed much light, likely rendering the sensational case a mystery for years to come.

On the core question of who killed Kercher, there may yet be further legal wrangling.

A third defendant, Rudy Hermann Guede of the Ivory Coast, was convicted in a separate trial of sexually assaulting and stabbing Kercher, and his 16-year prison sentence — reduced on appeal from an initial 30 years — was upheld by Italy’s highest court in 2010.

Guede, a small-time drug dealer who fled Italy after the killing and was extradited from Germany to face the charges, acknowledged he was in Kercher’s room the night she died but said he didn’t kill her. Guede said he believed Knox and Sollecito did, but offered no evidence to back up his claim.

The high court ruling upholding his sentence said Guede didn’t act alone, though it didn’t name Knox or Sollecito as his accomplices.

“The courts agree he wasn’t acting alone,” the victim’s brother, Lyle Kercher, told a news conference Tuesday. “If those two are not the guilty parties, then who are the guilty people?”

Guede’s lawyer Valter Biscotti said he would seek to reopen the case for his client in light of the acquittals of Knox and Sollecito. He refused any further comment. AP

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/8040460-418/amanda-knox-verdict-leaves-list-of-questions.html


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 38 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Wed, Oct  5, 2011 (14:01) * 3 lines 
 
Her prison time was actually for defamation. She accused a guy who was innocent, he had witnesses.

Horrible business, but people should not make her out to be a victim. The real victim is dead.


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 Response 39 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Oct  5, 2011 (15:11) * 2 lines 
 
(Moon) Her prison time was actually for defamation
Her time served was applied to the defamation charge after the fact.


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 Response 40 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Thu, Oct  6, 2011 (23:13) * 1 lines 
 
They had the Amanda Lifetime movie on tonight caught a bit and I really believe she was involved somehow. I feel for the victim.


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 Response 41 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct  7, 2011 (04:48) * 1 lines 
 
I would seem, from their,comments, that Meredith's family feel the same.


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 Response 42 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Oct  7, 2011 (09:25) * 2 lines 
 
(Moon) They had the Amanda Lifetime movie on tonight caught a bit and I really believe she was involved somehow. I feel for the victim.
Didn't I tell you? So much for the complaints that all American media made her out to be innocent.


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 Response 43 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct  7, 2011 (11:01) * 1 lines 
 
To be fair, most seem to believe her to be innocent, although one article I read, I think in a Chicago newspaper, was more impartial, and some of the comments on the article were really vicious in their condemnation of the author.


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 Response 44 of 542: linda kemmerer  (lindak) * Sun, Oct  9, 2011 (20:07) * 2 lines 
 
I suggest reading The Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston. It's based on aerial murders that took place over a 20+ year span in Perugia. He finished it just as Amanda Knox was arrested. He, himself, was fleeing Florence and Magnini. If you want some hard core insight on just how diabolical the prosecutor Magnini is-read that book. No surprise that he's been indicted for his evidence and witness tampering in the serial murder case---yet was allowed to prosecute the Knox case.
The book is a good read, and Preston goes on to explain about how everyone makes money...most especially the newspapers. He also predicted that she would be found guilty and then set free on the appeal, because that's the way of Italian justice-or lack of. My brother left the book behind and I happened upon it. Fascinating to see the similarities played out in the book regarding one case, while the first Knox trial was underway.


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 Response 45 of 542: linda kemmerer  (lindak) * Sun, Oct  9, 2011 (20:08) * 2 lines 
 
that should be serial murders.



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 Response 46 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Mon, Oct 10, 2011 (11:37) * 1 lines 
 
The Monster of Florence killed in Florence, not Perugia. Usually couples.


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 Response 47 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Oct 11, 2011 (16:11) * 3 lines 
 
At this point, I'd say enough of my tax dollars have been wasted on this murderer.

http://news.yahoo.com/court-turns-down-philly-da-cop-killing-case-141921477.html?bouchon=504,pa


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 Response 48 of 542: linda kemmerer  (lindak) * Tue, Oct 11, 2011 (19:47) * 6 lines 
 
(Moon) The Monster of Florence killed in Florence, not Perugia. Usually couples.

Yes, the serial murders were in Florence and the Knox case in Perugia, but Magnini was the prosecutor in both. And his actions in both were similar -despicable-leading to his own indictment.

Just when you think it's over, MAJ case rears it's ugly head, yet, again;-(



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 Response 49 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sat, Oct 15, 2011 (01:33) * 1 lines 
 
Berlusconi won the confidence vote again. Livia is in Milan and some guy called her a communist because she was quite vocal in her disgust. Lol.


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 Response 50 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sat, Oct 15, 2011 (12:58) * 57 lines 
 
In Rome, the left never keeps a protest peaceful, shame on them:

Police fire tear gas as protesters riot in Rome

ROME (AP) — Italian police fired tear gas and water cannons Saturday in Rome as violent protesters turned a demonstration against corporate greed into a riot, smashing shop and bank windows, torching cars and hurling bottles.

The protest in the Italian capital, which left dozens injured, was part of the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations against capitalism and austerity measures that went global Saturday.

Tens of thousands nicknamed "the indignant" marched in major cities across Europe, as protests that began in New York linked up with long-running demonstrations against government cost-cutting and failed financial policies in Europe.

Heavy smoke billowed into the air in downtown Rome as a small group broke away from the main demonstration and wreaked havoc in streets close to the Colosseum.

Clad in black with their faces covered, protesters threw rocks, bottles and incendiary devices at banks and Rome police in riot gear. Some protesters had clubs, others had hammers. They destroyed bank ATMs, set trash bins on fire and assaulted at least two news crews from Sky Italia.

TV footage showed police in riot gear charging the protesters and firing water cannons at them. Several police forces and protesters were injured, including one man trying to stop the protesters from throwing bottles. TV footage showed a young woman with blood covering her face, while the ANSA news agency said one man had lost two fingers when a firecracker exploded.

In the city's St. John in Lateran square, police vans came under attack, with protesters hurling rocks and cobblestones and smashing the vehicles. One police van was set ablaze, but the two people inside were able to abandon the vehicle. Peaceful demonstrators who could not leave the square climbed up the staircase outside the Basilica, one of the oldest in Rome.

Rome Mayor Gianni Alemanno blamed the violence on "a few thousand thugs from all over Italy, and possibly from all over Europe." He said some Rome museums were forced to close down because of the violence.

Some protesters also trashed offices of the Defense Ministry and set them on fire, causing the roof to collapse, reports said.

Police were out in force as up to 100,000 protesters had been expected a day after Premier Silvio Berlusconi barely survived a confidence vote in Parliament. Italy, which has a national debt ratio second only to Greece in the 17-nation eurozone, is rapidly becoming a focus of concern in Europe's debt crisis.

"People of Europe: Rise Up!" read one banner in Rome. Some peaceful demonstrators turned against the violent group and tried to stop them, hurling bottles, Sky Italia and ANSA said. Others fled, scared by the raw violence.

ANSA said four people from an anarchist group were arrested early Saturday morning, with police seizing helmets, anti-gas masks, clubs and hundreds of bottles from their car.

Elsewhere, bright autumn sunshine and a social media campaign brought out thousands across Europe.

In Frankfurt, continental Europe's financial hub, some 5,000 people protested at the European Central Bank, and some were setting up a tent camp aiming at permanently occupying the green space in front of the ECB building.

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange spoke to about 500 demonstrators outside St. Paul's cathedral in London, calling the international banking system a "recipient of corrupt money."

U.K. police contained most London demonstrators in the streets around the cathedral, near the city's financial district. Protesters erected tents and asked supporters to bring them blankets, food and water as they settled down for the evening.

Several hundreds more marched in the German cities of Berlin, Cologne and Munich and the Austrian capital of Vienna, while protesters in Zurich, Switzerland's financial hub, carried banners reading "We won't bail you out yet again" and "We are the 99 percent."

In Brussels, thousands of marched through the downtown area chanting "Criminal bankers caused this crisis!" They pelted the stock exchange building with old shoes then marched on to the European Union sector.

Protesters also accused NATO, which has its headquarters in Brussels, of wasting taxpayer money on the wars in Libya and Afghanistan, saying that one European soldier deployed to Afghanistan costs the equivalent of 11 high school teachers.

In Helsinki, around 300 activists held a peaceful, creative rally with homemade signs and stalls full of art and food.

In Spain, the Indignant Movement established the first around-the-clock "occupation" protest camps in cities and towns across the country beginning in May and lasting for weeks. Six marches were converging Saturday on Madrid's Puerta del Sol plaza just before dusk.

Portuguese angry at their government's handling of the economic crisis were protesting in downtown Lisbon later. Portugal is one of three European nations — the others being Greece and Ireland — that have already needed an international bailout.

Across the Atlantic, hundreds gathered in Toronto's financial district, converging close to the Toronto Stock Exchange and the headquarters major Canadian banks to decry what they called government-abetted corporate greed. Protests were also being held in Montreal and Vancouver.

In New York, protesters marched on a Chase bank to protest the role banks played in the financial crisis, and demonstrations were culminating in an "Occupation Party" in Times Square.

Support for the anti-capitalist protest movement was light in Asia, where the global economy is booming. In Sydney, around 300 people turned out, while another 200 people in Tokyo chanted anti-nuclear slogans outside the Tokyo Electric Power Co., which operates the tsunami-hit Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.

In the Philippines, some 100 people marched on the U.S. Embassy in Manila to support the Occupy Wall Street protests.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-fire-tear-gas-protesters-riot-rome-153335569.html


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 Response 51 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Dec  5, 2011 (17:27) * 7 lines 
 
Bringing this over from CF topic
Re PJs.
There's a certain class of female we see quite often in our local supermarkets and school playgrounds in Scotland.
They wear 'onesies' or PJs with Ugg boots to go supermarket shopping(at any time of the day) or to take their children to school.
My daughter even saw two such 'classy chicks', as she calls them, in Buchanan Street in Glasgow, one of the main shopping streets in Glasgow city centre.
-Is this phenomenon unique to my part of the world? :-((



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 Response 52 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Dec  5, 2011 (18:37) * 19 lines 
 
Especially for UK Ladies attention whom may be interested in the scandalous waste of empty housing in the UK. I am posting this here.

I applaude (Architect and TV presenter from 'Restoration Man' fame) George Clarke for his work in bringing Briton's empty homes scandal to the fore. His show was a real eye opener tonight. If anyone else feels passionately about this, as I do, here's the place to add your name to his petition. If he get's enough signatures he can present it to No 10!

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...bI%3D&id=13837

The programmes continue each night this week.

More info here

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-great-british-property-scandal/articles/home/

and here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/8936067/The-Great-British-Property-Scandal-episode-one-Channel-4-review.html






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 Response 53 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Dec  5, 2011 (18:42) * 5 lines 
 
Whoops! the petition page isn't showing at the first link I posted. If you are interested to sign the petition just go to 'Join the campaign' link and it should (hopefully) take you to the petition.






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 Response 54 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Dec  8, 2011 (11:11) * 2 lines 
 
Very bad storms hitting Scotland right now-winds of up to 180mph, and blizzards in the Highlands.
The River Clyde in Glasgow has burst it banks-something I can't remember happening in my lifetime:-(


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 Response 55 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Dec  8, 2011 (11:22) * 3 lines 
 
Typical Scottish sense of humour.
Some wit feels the usual names for hurricanes are a bit boring, and have called this one Hurricane Bawbags:-))
A wee bit rude, lol!


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 Response 56 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Thu, Dec  8, 2011 (14:25) * 1 lines 
 
Watching news reports of the storms in Scotland, looks bad, was wondering how you were fearing, Janet.


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 Response 57 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (02:28) * 5 lines 
 
Although the storms were pretty serious in Glasgow, there were others places more badly affected Sue
The authorities (for once!) took heed of the forecast by the Met Office, and took effective action.
All schools were closed, to keep the number of people out and about to a minimum. It worked, and I don't believe there has been any fatalities, although a number of people have had lucky escapes, with trees falling on cars and in one case, a house. Luckily, the owners weren't at home.
Now, apparently, more snow if on its way.
- All this after the mildest November in Scotland since records began!


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 Response 58 of 542: carole  (melvcaz) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (03:44) * 1 lines 
 
I am so glad that you and your family are Ok Janet. I have been watching the news down here in Essex and thinking of you.


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 Response 59 of 542: Peggy   (slpeg2003) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (06:35) * 2 lines 
 
Take care, Janet. It is hard for me to imagine a hurricane in the snow and cold. This is no ordinary blizzard. We just get the hot kind here:-)
I hope it goes away quickly and you and yours will all be OK.


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 Response 60 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (07:03) * 1 lines 
 
Glad you're all OK. It was quite scary with the wind here in S.Wales, but nothing to what you must have been experiencing in Scotland.I hope everything gets back to normal quickly.


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 Response 61 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (09:31) * 1 lines 
 
Crazy weather, Janet, glad you are ok and that it appears there were no fatalities. I'd imagine many people will be without power, at the least.


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 Response 62 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (09:38) * 1 lines 
 
But they have nice summers.


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 Response 63 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (10:13) * 3 lines 
 
165 mph winds? Goodness! I'm going to have to read up on this. Glad to hear that you haven't been affected too much, Janet, and obviously aren't without electricity.

We've had our first "measurable" snow (seems like less than a quarter inch where I am) and there were 3 fatalities--all car accidents south of me where there probably was more snow.


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 Response 64 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (12:27) * 7 lines 
 
We've survived unscathed, thank goodness! Thanks for all your kind thoughts.

There are some areas of the Highlands still without power, and it looks like it will be a few days before things are back to normal. A few of my relatives are affected, but they're used to such things, living in a fairly remote area.
The roads are now very icy, and as usual, the council has been slow to treat the roads-treacherous driving conditions, and snow to follow:-(





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 Response 65 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (15:25) * 1 lines 
 
Glad all is well. Saw the pictures of the surf and snow on the news.


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 Response 66 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Dec  9, 2011 (15:40) * 1 lines 
 
Good to hear you and yours are OK, Janet. We have some pretty strong gusts, but nothing like the strength which has affected Scotland. Keep warm and safe.


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 Response 67 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Jan 15, 2012 (14:53) * 5 lines 
 
And these two SNL vids from last night were particularly insightful about today's society:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/you-can-do-anything/1379100

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/headz-up-app/1379121


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 Response 68 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Jan 26, 2012 (19:33) * 43 lines 
 
Scaremongering by Westminster ahead of the Scottish Independence Referendum:

UK Foreign Secretary William Hague’s threat that Scotch whisky would no longer be promoted overseas has backfired after it emerged that the UK Government actually charges Scottish organisations for use of British Embassy facilities.

First Minister Alex Salmond today revealed that the Scottish Development body are charged £3000 every time they hold a reception aimed at promoting the iconic drink.

In contrast, when UK trade and Investment groups hold similar events they are allowed to use the facilities for free.

The two tier situation emerged at First Ministers Questions at Holyrood when Mr Salmond was asked about Mr Hague’s comments.

Answering a question from SNP MSP John Finnie, Mr Salmond said that he didn’t believe the Tory Minister’s threat would damage the international whisky industry.

However Mr Salmond went on to reveal the situation that sees charges levied against the Scottish Development body:

“But looking into this I discovered some interesting details." said the First Minister.

“Currently when Scottish Development International, judged one of the most successful international development agencies in the world and recorded as Scotland having the best record for international investment by channel 4 fact-check among many other observers , when they hold receptions promoting whisky in international embassies were charged up to £3000 a time for the privilege.

“UK trade and investment hold receptions are charged nothing at all.

Mr Salmond lamented the fact that he had not realised this and then went on to gently mock the Tory Minister, saying:

“I really do think we should remind William Hague of that old ditty from Andy Stewart:

“How nice it would be if the whisky was free and the embassies full up to the brim”

SNP MSP John Finnie responded to Mr Salmond’s answer and said:

“Despite the £3,000 charge by UK embassies to host receptions promoting Scotch whisky, it remains Scotland’s most iconic product and Mr Hague should be ashamed of his petty and inaccurate scare-mongering.

“Worldwide whisky exports reached £3.54billion in 2010. It is simply one of our finest exports that are appreciated globally.

“Mr Hague needs to learn it is unacceptable to embark on a smears campaign like this. Westminster Ministers haven’t learned their lesson following David Cameron’s meddling in our affairs by trying to put strings on Scotland’s future.

“This ridiculous claim has backfired badly for Mr Hague as Scotland’s whisky industry is going from strength to strength.”

Scotch whisky was recently granted geographical indication protection by China after Mr Salmond visited the country, it is the first international product to receive such legal protection,

During his last visit in December the First Minister personally launched the Scotland food and drinks strategy for Asia.

China is an emerging Scotch whisky market with massive growth potential, direct exports soared to £62.3million in the twelve month to November 11.

Worldwide exports of Scotch whisky reached £3.54 billion in 2010. The industry is worth £4 billion a year in added value to the UK economy, supporting 35,000 jobs.


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 Response 69 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Jan 26, 2012 (19:35) * 1 lines 
 
And then there's the oil.....


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 Response 70 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (10:36) * 6 lines 
 
Bringing this over:

(Janet)Employees pay through their National Insurance Contributions, deducted via our salary

How much do people pay? I'm just curious. Is it a percentage of pay or a flat amount per pay?



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 Response 71 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (10:52) * 2 lines 
 
And do people also take private insurance to take up the slack by what isn't covered by NHS.



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 Response 72 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (11:00) * 1 lines 
 
I made a detailed response to this in "Odds and Ends". Sorry if it's in the wrong place. The deduction is a % of income tax. After surgery, MD visits, hospitalization, no bill, no worries, just get well. I was a nurse for 40 years and worked both sides of the border. I'll take our system any time. It's not perfect but it's certainly better unless you have lots of $$$$ for insurance.


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 Response 73 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (11:19) * 5 lines 
 
Oops, my "Odds and Ends" didn't register - so - as I said, everyone pays a fixed % of their income tax. I had 2 back surgeries for a chronic problem with a wait of @ 6 weeks and 2 eye surgeries (I was legally blind for 6 months but they waited for my cataracts to ripen more before doing the other necessary surgery so both could be done the same time) and waited 2 weeks for each. Got home with no bill. The surgeries enabled me to return to work and contribute to society and the economy again so no doubt I repaid the system by taxes at that time but I had a life and a job again so that makes sense to me.
I had 2 cousins with identical knee replacement surgeries. The one in SC cost $62,000 and the one here $14,000 (just a statement of costs, not a bill). The difference was insurance company profits. The problem with Obama's bill is it still includes insurance companies so the costs will remain high and will be placed on employers.
I do have separate insurance for Rxs, travel and dental which is less than $100/month.
A counterpunch article detailed comparative costs in different countries.eg heart bypass in GB, Canada, France @$14,000 to $22,000 but in the US @$60,000. Cataracts @ $950 to $3200 but in the US @ $15,000. That's called profit.
I couldn't think of a better way to spend tax dollars than on keeping people healthy. Just my opinion.


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 Response 74 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (11:51) * 3 lines 
 
Thank you, Linda! (BTW, no need to apologize on O&E). Always nice to hear the facts posted from someone within the industry instead of the specious soundbytes thrown around in the media.

I quite agree that the entire "for profit" health care industry is the reason for such high health care costs in the US, with non-medical people (i.e., insurance companies) allowed to make decisions regarding healthcare. I'm sure someone will post that it is our litigious society that has ramped up haelth care costs because of malpractice insurance, but studies have shown that it truly doesn't contribute as much as you think. Again, profit for the insurance companies.


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 Response 75 of 542: PeggyM  (PeggyM) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (12:18) * 3 lines 
 
(Evelyn)do people also take private insurance to take up the slack by what isn't covered by NHS.
Yes, Evelyn, & various other reasons - there are often long delays to get an appointment with a consultant & further long delays to get a hospital bed, they can choose the best consultants & the best hospitals & there will be better facilities (private en-suite rooms, more attention etc)



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 Response 76 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (12:19) * 5 lines 
 
Linda, what's the percentage of pay that people have deducted for the insurance?

It's not just insurance company profits driving costs, here, though; in fact, that's not even most of it. Most large employers are all self-insured, meaning they pay a fee to the insurance companies to administer their employees' claims, but that's it. The actual claim payments come out of the employers' coffers and go to the providers, e.g., doctors and hospitals, both of which are very much for profit.;-) Then you have the cost of maintainng state-of-the-art equipment and treatments. And of course, everybody wants state-of-the-art, nobody wants to wait in line, etc. I will say that the quality of the care is very good.

As for Obama's plan, he has no choice but to continue the employer-based structure; anything else (i.e., a single-payer system such as you have) is politically untenable.


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 Response 77 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (12:35) * 13 lines 
 
(PeggyM)they can choose the best consultants & the best hospitals & there will be better facilities (private en-suite rooms, more attention etc)
Thank you , Peggy.

As long as I can go to whatever consultant I want,(w/o having to wait for a doctor to give the permission) in whatever state I want to go to , and have the treatment/sugery I need at my convenience....I'll be happy:-)))
But don't limit me in any way....including triage, age limitations for various treatments, and only meds that are approved

I know that various countries that have national health cannot afford the new meds esp the new chemotherapies. And I understand that....just don't limit the people who can afford it. That's what we save for.








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 Response 78 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (12:36) * 1 lines 
 
sorry.


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 Response 79 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (13:32) * 5 lines 
 
Thanks, Linda. It's the same in Italy. It's a system that cares about their citizens, puts them first as it should be.

I'm surprised by how many so called "Christians" in the US are against it. People lose their homes sometimes paying back operations and hospitals in the US. Inhumane.

Janet, we finally agree on something. ;-)


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 Response 80 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (14:00) * 2 lines 
 
When my husband was in a renowned medical center in Houston I fired two doctors.
Can you do that?


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 Response 81 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (17:08) * 9 lines 
 
Lol, Evelyn:-)
In the UK, those in employment and earning above £102 per week, pay 12% up to the upper earnings limit of £817, thereafter they pay an additional 1%. Employers pay a slighter higher percentage into the fund. Different percentages apply to the self-employed and those paying into a salary based pension scheme.
It is pretty complicated!
BTW, these percentages also include contributions to dental care, optical charges, unemployment and sickness benefits.







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 Response 82 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (17:13) * 5 lines 
 
Sorry, I should have said lol Moon!:-(
Evelyn, I believe you can ask to see another consultant if you are unhappy with the treatment offered, but you can't sack him as such, since there is no payment involved.

You are normally referred to a consultant in whatever speciality by your General Practitioner(Primary Care Doctor) and he may offer a choice of consultants/hospitals you may visit. In saying that, I live in the biggest city in Scotland, so that may not be the case in smaller towns, or rural areas.



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 Response 83 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (17:38) * 8 lines 
 
Hi everybody. To answer a few questions in reverse order.
Yes Evelyn, you can request a particular MD or refuse (fire)one offered. Just a matter of doing so. Of course as with anywhere, the best are busiest with a longer waiting list for non urgent procedures. My Opthamologist is world renowned and I got to see him very quickly because I was unable to see to work, drive, etc. Being in the Biz I also knew who to ask for, that helps.
We have state of the art equipment in bigger centres of course (bigger country with fewer big cities and big distances)and that means some waits for elective procedures eg if someone has had a bum knee for five years and decides to finally check it out they may wait a month or two for an MRI but not for a routine xray or CT scan BUT if it's urgent eg a cardiac problem it is arranged immediately and the person transfered immediately to the nearest cardiac centre at no cost. Urgent issues never wait, that's misinformation. True some people with the $$ will go to the US if nearby because they can't be bothered to wait maybe 2 or 3 months for something that is not urgent. As for the equipment, recently I transferred someone back to the US (who was visiting here) to ECMC in Buffalo (bigger city by far than where I worked here)and the RTs were very jealous of the tiny new respirator I took with me.
There are no age limitations for surgeries or procedures although a young person with a heart problem may get booking priority over a 90 yr old. I've seen lots of centenarians have hip replacements.
Most meds are available here as well as the US and when they are, they are less expensive due to gov't cost limits. Sometimes generic substitutes are used due to cost but, contrary to what many believe, they are of equal quality.
Employers do not pay for benefits except those benefits not covered by basic gov't insurance like travel ins, dental and such and then only by individual contracts with the employer if the employer is big enough.
As for the % of individual taxes on health care I honestly don't know. I know proportionally more of our tax dollar goes to health care than the US but we don't have the big military and other expenditures. Our health care is also less expensive as I illustrated. I believe income taxes for up to @$45,000 is about 22% and it goes up incrementally from there with each increment at that level eg if you make $70,000, the first $45,000 is at 22% and the rest at the next level.
Hope that answers some questions. It's a subject dear to my heart as I loved my job and was devoted to my patients. I still have some visit me after 20 or 30 years!


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 Response 84 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (17:55) * 2 lines 
 
Bet they didn't invite you to the meeting of interested parties [!!!!] today ;-D
In Wales we also have free [so ably explained] prescriptions for all.


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 Response 85 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (18:06) * 4 lines 
 
We have free prescriptions and free eye tests in Scotland.
I believe to qualify for free eye tests in England, you have to be over 40 and have a close family history of glaucoma. At least, that was the case in Scotland before our Scottish parliament brought in the reforms.
We also have free personal care for those over 65 requiring it, and free at home nursing care for all ages, where needed.
And of course, Scottish university students do not pay tuition fees, but that's opening up another can of worms;-)


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 Response 86 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Mon, Feb 20, 2012 (18:29) * 2 lines 
 
Aren't we lucky to be Celts ![not sarcasm]
Your government is sorting it out better than ours, but the Sennedd will get there.


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 Response 87 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Tue, Feb 21, 2012 (10:24) * 2 lines 
 
There is a lot of good preventative care too. I get a mammogram every 2 years and they call to remind me. In between the last one I found a lump and saw my nurse practitioner the next day, a Friday, and on Monday had another mammogram which was negative. What a relief. I also get a colonoscopy every 5 years whether I want it or not...lotsa' fun! Love the prep!
Though a Canuck, can I qualify as a Celt? I play pipes and have three Scottish Terriers. Our family was originally from Kilfinan,Argyll.


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 Response 88 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Feb 21, 2012 (10:38) * 11 lines 
 
Again, fabulous to hear the details! I don't know why Americans think their health care system is the best. It clearly is not when over 50 million people have no access to any kind of care.

(Evelyn) I know that various countries that have national health cannot afford the new meds esp the new chemotherapies.
I don't know about specific chemotherapies, but there are many drugs that aren't available in the US and have been used for decades in Europe but haven't been approved by the FDA for whatever reason.

(Evelyn) When my husband was in a renowned medical center in Houston I fired two doctors.
Wow! Your govt-provided plan was great! ;-)

With the way things are now, I wish health care was totally nationalized in this country.




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 Response 89 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Tue, Feb 21, 2012 (10:54) * 3 lines 
 
Hear, hear!! But we know how well no-brainers fair in this country. :-(

Thank you ladies for the detailed explanations.


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 Response 90 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Feb 21, 2012 (11:20) * 9 lines 
 
In the U.S., the average per person cost for health insurance is about $10,000. On average, employees pay about 20% of that cost via payroll deduction, so roughly $2,000 per year. Some pay lots more, some pay lots less, depending on the employer subsidy. The employer pays the rest.

So, it sounds like, in very rough terms, a U.S. employee pays more for coverage than in the UK, but less than in Canada. It seems like in the UK your employers are subsidizing the cost as ours do, but in Canada they don’t subsidize. But I guess the big difference is in what I’d pay out of pocket when I need services.

Now, starting this year, under Health Care Reform, we don’t pay anything out of pocket for preventive care—doctor’s visit, GYN checkups, mammograms, pap tests, immunizations, etc. If it’s non-preventive, the typical plan might charge you $20 for a primary care office visit, or slightly more if the doc is a specialist.

However, if you need diagnostic tests, surgery or hospitalization, that’s where the higher costs come in. Depending on the type of coverage you have, you typically have to pay a deductible (could be a few hundred dollars) and then the plan pays a percentage (typically 80% of the costs) and you pay the 20%. Most plans cap your out-of pocket costs in a given year—a typical cap would be a few thousand dollars. If you hit that cap, the plan pays 100% of any remaining costs.

Now, that's the deal for employed persons who can afford the payroll deduction costs. If you're self-employed, you'd pay much more for "individual" coverage (as opposed to large employer group coverage)and there might be limits on pre-existing conditions. If you're employed but can't afford the payroll deductions (i.e., the working poor), you go without coverage and you're screwed. If you're not old enough for Medicare (65), and if you don't have retiree coverage which some employers (e.g., the government) allow people to carry over from their working lives, you're screwed.


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 Response 91 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Tue, Feb 21, 2012 (12:41) * 16 lines 
 
(Evelyn) When my husband was in a renowned medical center in Houston I fired two doctors.
Wow! Your govt-provided plan was great! ;-)

Up to a limit, but my private plan ponied-up & even paid for nursing care.

Hey folks, there's no such thing as a free lunch.
Income tax rates in some of these countries is astronomical....50% for some.
Ask the people here what theirs is; if they pay at all.


It's free in Greece , Italy, Portugal and Spain..but poor Germany is going to have to spring for a bailout for some of their social largesse.
Poor Germany will own Europe some day.

Just like China currently owns us.
Pass the eggrolls;-)




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 Response 92 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Feb 21, 2012 (13:24) * 6 lines 
 
In the UK, the NHS is not funded by Income Tax, but by National Insurance Contributions.

I feel so sorry for those poor souls who have to pay 50% tax because they earn so much:-(

In the current financial climate,David Cameron is resisting appeals to scrap the highest rate, but it will happen eventually.



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 Response 93 of 542: Sandy  (sandyw) * Tue, Feb 21, 2012 (16:27) * 3 lines 
 
In Canada, our medicare costs are covered largely by income taxes. A couple of provinces charge subscriber premiums, and at least one province charges employers over a certain size a payroll tax. Medicare doesn't cover all expenses though, most notably prescription drugs. Some provinces have a form of pharmacare plan which will pay some drug costs for certain segments of their population or for very expensive drugs. Employer sponsored extended health care plans pick up a large number of other expenses with or without a deductible or co-pay.

We have been hearing dire warnings for years however that our current arrangements are not sustainable in the long term. Here in BC healthcare takes 40% of the provincial budget. Many people are arguing for privatization (still funded by government though) or a two-tier system where those who have money can pay for better and quicker care. Neither alternative is very palatable to the public who are very attached to the non-profit, universal care principles we have held on to for the last 45 years. But both seem to be gradually creeping into the system.


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 Response 94 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Tue, Feb 21, 2012 (23:02) * 1 lines 
 
True Sandy. There are lobbyists currently trying to convince our politicians to privatize because insurance cos. are dying to get another 35 million people to bleed dry. Several provinces are now cutting back on services in what I know is an orchestrated attempt to illustrate the system is untenable so private cos. can get a foot in the door. I think the public's love of our system is demonstrated by the fact that in a recent poll Canadians voted Tommy Douglas, the founder of universal health care and grandfather of Kiefer Sutherland)the most beloved Canadian of all time.


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 Response 95 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sun, Feb 26, 2012 (14:00) * 3 lines 
 
A must read: deeply knowledgeable re Syrian society:
"Beyond the Fall of the Syrian Regime"
http://bit.ly/x8Vxug


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 Response 96 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Mar 25, 2012 (16:02) * 25 lines 
 
Well, I guess this suit has a little more merit than the infamous lap spillage one:

McDonald's faces hot coffee litigation again
By Wailin Wong Tribune reporter
3:49 p.m. CDT, March 23, 2012

A northwest suburban woman has sued McDonald's Corp., alleging that her 4-year-old granddaughter sustained second-degree burns on her chest from spilled hot coffee.

The lawsuit was filed Thursday in Cook County Circuit Court. According to the complaint, Mona Abdelal of Norridge took her two grandchildren to a McDonald's in Harwood Heights in January.

Abdelal asked her 4-year-old granddaughter to throw out her empty coffee cup, but the child misunderstood the directions and brought the cup to the counter for a refill. The lawsuit alleges that the employee asked the girl to return in a few minutes because a new pot of coffee was brewing.

When the child did so, the employee allegedly filled the cup but failed to secure the lid. The complaint also said that the employee did not place the coffee in a cardboard holder or wait for the coffee to cool down.

According to the lawsuit, "a lot of coffee spilled out of the cup" onto the girl's chest, causing second-degree burns and permanent scarring. Abdelal, the grandmother, also allegedly suffered first-degree burns on her finger when she tried to help her granddaughter.

The complaint said McDonald's violated its policy of not serving coffee to minors and that it failed to properly warn the child of the dangers of handling hot coffee. The lawsuit also names RMW Management Inc., the franchisee of the Harwood Heights McDonald's, as a defendant. The plaintiff's lawyer is Justin London of the Law Offices of Justin London in Chicago.

"The safety of our customers and the food we serve have always been top priorities," McDonald's USA spokeswoman Ashlee Yingling said in an e-mailed statement. "While these are unfortunate accidents, customers must handle hot beverages with care, as indicated on all of our coffee cups."

Yingling said the company has not yet been served with the lawsuit.

The fast food giant has been involved in litigation involving hot coffee in the past. One of the most famous cases was filed two decades ago by a New Mexico woman who spilled coffee on her lap and suffered third-degree burns that required skin grafting. The case later settled.

wawong@tribune.com | Twitter @VelocityWong


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 Response 97 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Mar 25, 2012 (17:02) * 6 lines 
 
How about this?
Last year, my son and myself were shopping in Costco Glasgow.
While I was waiting to pay for my goods I asked my son to order and pay for the food from the cafe.
When I reached the table where he was sitting, he rather sheepishly told me I'd have to get my own coffee.
The assistant had asked his age, and when he replied 17, said she couldn't serve him hot drinks. When I queried this, she said she'd be disciplined if caught doing so.
So my son can marry, have children of his own, work, serving hot drinks in restaurants, takeaways,etc, but heaven forbid, should he want a hot drink in Costco!!


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 Response 98 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Mar 25, 2012 (17:03) * 1 lines 
 
And he can join the British army too:-)


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 Response 99 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Mar 26, 2012 (06:01) * 1 lines 
 
It's the 'Nanny era (state) 'Health and Safety' gone mad. No wonder some kids today seem to lack intuition and initiative.


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 Response 100 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Mar 29, 2012 (11:37) * 8 lines 
 
Costco probably has that regulation as a matter of corporate policy ;
it's a US company. The UK is not as litigious as the US.

Does Tesco have it too?
I'm thinking Asda would have it since it's Walmart-owned .





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 Response 101 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Mar 29, 2012 (16:33) * 13 lines 
 
While taking my dog out for his afternoon constitutional, we stumbled across where the VP will be attending a fundraiser tonight. Thought it was very weird to see a street-cleaning truck for two reasons: (1) street cleaning typically doesn't start until April 1 at the earliest and (2) both sides of the street are never done at the same time. The no-parking signs were not the customary ones for street cleaning either. As we got to the middle of the block, there were "complimentary valet" signs and all sorts of workmen and security types going in and out of one house. Now, this block and the next one over have the biggest McMansions in the city. There was a party for Obama on the next block thrown by Penny Pritzker. So I had to look up who owned this house:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brulelaker/3102651081

which is kind of small in comparison. Looks to be only three lots, whereas the house right across the street is 7 and I call it the Villa d'Este. Take a look at the aerial shot:

http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1927-N-Burling-St-60614/home/12671428

There are no parking signs all long the route, not just this street. But everyone on this street has ample parking on their own property.






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 Response 102 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Mar 29, 2012 (17:47) * 3 lines 
 
I believe its only Costco that operates this policy. I assumed it was because it was a US company and your litiginous society!
Asda started many years ago in Yorkshire and only relatively recently was taken over by Walmart.
I don't rate most of their in-house cafes, since it serves mostly stodge, but don't believe the over 18 rule applies there or in other supermarket chains.


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 Response 103 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (10:34) * 2 lines 
 
(Evelyn) Yes, Sue, you are justifiably right to be proud to be English. And thank you for sharing it with the world. You keep us civilized.
So true. The English believe health care should be provided to all. Now that is what I call 'civilized.'


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 Response 104 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (10:51) * 2 lines 
 
Well said Karen.
But don't you both mean British?


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 Response 105 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (10:57) * 7 lines 
 
Really irritates me when she's called the Queen of England btw.
She's Queen of Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales, as well as the Commonwealth countries.
Her ancestors were the Kings of Scotland, and James VI of Scotland became James I of the United Kingdom in 1603, more than a hundred years before the parliaments were united in 1707.

That's why she is really Queen Elizabeth I, not second as she is called.

Also, many people believe an independent Scotland would be a republic. Not so, she would become the Queen of Scotland.


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 Response 106 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (10:59) * 1 lines 
 
Well said, Janet - no prescription charges in Wales, either.[Also Scotland?]


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 Response 107 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (10:59) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, sorry, Janet. I do know the difference and the proper references. I was going to write British but chose to use the word Evelyn had used.


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 Response 108 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (11:59) * 4 lines 
 
(Janet) That's why she is really Queen Elizabeth I, not second as she is called.
??? The numbering system doesn't have anything to do with the breadth of one's realm and its titles, just the use of a name.

As for ancestry, she's probably related to every single royal family in Europe and beyond. ;-)


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 Response 109 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (12:25) * 4 lines 
 
I was going to write British but chose to use the word Evelyn had used.
No mistake on my part....I meant it.




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 Response 110 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (12:32) * 3 lines 
 
PS
I don't hear the refrain;
"They'll always be a *United Kingdom*"


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 Response 111 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (13:06) * 5 lines 
 
The current numbering system started with the Union of the Crowns in 1603, otherwise James VI would not have become James I.
"They'll always be a *United Kingdom*"
Silly comment Evelyn-you won't wind me up;-))

Re line of descent. Through Victoria, I think she related to practically every Royal Family in Europe, but the line of ascension comes from Scotland.


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 Response 112 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (13:07) * 1 lines 
 
closing tags


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 Response 113 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (14:06) * 14 lines 
 
Am moving Evelyn's last comment--in its entirety--here so that a political, religious, and/or social discussion can continue:

Response 299 of 299: Evelyn (lafn) * Wed, Jun 6, 2012

Oops...The rhetorical "us" , . Meaning the country.
I should have added....
"With the exception of Drool, of course;-P"

As for the church services on TV for holidays...true...but not as part of a national traditional agenda.
i well remember the hoop-la over the President swearing-in cermony on the Bible at the inauguation.Never mind that it's been done since the founding of the country.
And the current taking out "one nation under God" out of the pledge of allegiance,

Not on Drool, of course.
Note to self...must remember always to absolve Drooleurs.


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 Response 114 of 542: PeggyM  (PeggyM) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (16:03) * 3 lines 
 
( Janet)Most people in Scotland are not interested I meant. I know this from living here, not from polls, lol!
If the Scots were not interested in the Jubilee they should not be be trying to cash in on its success & changing to devote monarchists



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 Response 115 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (16:06) * 2 lines 
 
Sorry, Peggy, don't understand your comment.
-Changing to devote monarchists? What are Scots cashing in on?


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 Response 116 of 542: Lorna Bastable  (grasspatch) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (17:11) * 1 lines 
 



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 Response 117 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Jun  6, 2012 (19:54) * 11 lines 
 
(Somebody)Am moving Evelyn's last comment--in its entirety--here so that a political, religious, and/or social discussion can continue:

who me?
i don't have to discuss this anymore. I was just humbly commenting on the Thanksgiving Service and how it contrasted with the US [United States].
(except where Drooleurs live, of course)

I just wish the DJ went on . Loved the RAF fly-over and how about those fireworks that lit up Buckingham Palace and all of London.

I'm telling ya', it was *seriously -awesome* LOL...as the kids say...




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 Response 118 of 542: carole  (melvcaz) * Thu, Jun  7, 2012 (04:12) * 1 lines 
 
So glad you enjoyed the Jubilee celebrations Evelyn. I loved it all and so did my daughter in New Zealand.It is so good that we can all see it although we are miles apart.


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 Response 119 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Thu, Jun  7, 2012 (07:14) * 13 lines 
 

Topic 241 of 244 [drool]: A Horse (Topic) With No Name - part 2
Response 1690 of 1690: SueH (pianoblues) * Thu, Jun 7, 2012 (07:14) * 9 lines


My two favourite moments of the whole Jubilee Celebration were:

The Royal College Of Music Chamber Choir singing their hearts out, despite being thoroughly soaked with the lashing rain and winds.

Madness singing from the roof of Buckingham Palace and the brilliant lighting effects to accompany their songs. Just amazing.

The flypast wasn't the best I have seen. Preferred the Will's and Kate's fly past following their wedding.



 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 120 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jun  7, 2012 (08:50) * 9 lines 
 
The flypast wasn't the best I have seen. Preferred the Will's and Kate's fly past following their wedding.

Picky, Picky, Sue;-)I like them all.

Like I said, my TV screen (can't say "our")didn't show all of the musical numbers.
Still it was better than nothing. And I did see the finale with Prince Charles giving the thanks on behalf of his "mummy". That was cute.

The choir singing in the downpour was outstanding.
But how about those bell ringers on the barge. Pulling by hand!!You know those bells must be heavy. Must google "Campanology" ; I hear it is a big hobby in the UK


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 Response 121 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Thu, Jun  7, 2012 (10:32) * 3 lines 
 
LOL, Evelyn. This flyover seemed quite short. Whereas, the Wedding flyover was longer and included the helicopters. But you are right, they are all good, and a reminder of, in part, why 'oui' in the UK enjoy our freedom of speech today. I like seem the Lancaster. My dear departed Uncle was radio operator and flew many sorties in the Lancaster, though it didn't rest easy with him and he would never speak of the experience.

Yes, of course the bells. I loved hearing those. Added a real sense of occasion. In fact, I was thinking today, those poor guys barely got a mention for their perseverance in the adverse weather, in the after shows. Pity


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 Response 122 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jun  7, 2012 (11:30) * 7 lines 
 
those poor guys barely got a mention for their perseverance in the adverse weather, in the after shows. Pity
How true, but I saw gals there too.
LOL, come to think of it "guys" is now an androgynous term.

BBC commented that helicopters were scheduled to flyover at the end of the flotilla, but the inclement weather made it unsafe.

They lost many pilots on those Lancasters. "One" owes a debt of gratitude to your uncle and many others who risked their lives ....they're not called "the greatest generation" for nothing"


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 Response 123 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Jun  8, 2012 (16:33) * 2 lines 
 
Just watched a feature on this on the evening news:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/blank-canvas-london-gallery-unveils-invisible-art-exhibition-7767057.html


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 Response 124 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Jun 20, 2012 (08:33) * 6 lines 
 
Gaaaaagh!
Lord Save Me! Please.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html#ixzz1yK7gbr7D




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 Response 125 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Jun 20, 2012 (13:28) * 1 lines 
 
No surprise to me, the NHS is going down the pan, and those are the words from a GP at my surgery, whom, incidentally will be on strike tomorrow! It's not a good time to get sick over here.


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 Response 126 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (10:57) * 3 lines 
 
YES! It's a great day for America! Now Italy has to beat Germany and it will be the best day ever.

Auto insurance is mandatory, why does healthcare have to be a tax? Still, it's one giant step for mankind.


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 Response 127 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (11:09) * 2 lines 
 
(Moon) Auto insurance is mandatory, why does healthcare have to be a tax? Still, it's one giant step for mankind.
And, yet, I have to pay on my policy for "uninsured" motorists!


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 Response 128 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (12:07) * 5 lines 
 
(Moon)Auto insurance is mandatory, why does healthcare have to be a tax?

Because that's the only way they could get Roberts to vote yes.;-)

Joining you in a virtual fist bump Moon!:-)


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 Response 129 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (12:37) * 4 lines 
 
Now is a good time to buy hospital stocks.
HCA went up 7%!!

Hey, you gotta make lemonade outta lemons;-P


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 Response 130 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (13:27) * 8 lines 
 
Don't buy Pharma , Health Insurance or medical device companies....the people the Prez made a deal with to pass this bill..they're down.

Buy ambulance services, the company that supplies helicopters to hospitals; companies that have heretofore lost money on health services.
Think, where are those health taxes going to go?

who was it who said:"Don't let a good crisis go to waste:";-D

Stay tuned for more tips ;-)


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 Response 131 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (16:19) * 3 lines 
 
Fist pumping everyone. Italy beats Germany and plays the final in Euro 2012 against Spain.

Forza Italia!!!


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 Response 132 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (16:30) * 3 lines 
 
LOL, Moon, punching the air with you, would rather see Italy go through to the final than Germany!

Plus, punching the air for a second time, Nadal has been knocked out of Wimbledon. Murray has a real chance now, I hope he doesn't blow it. My Saturday afternoon is all mapped out now ;-)


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 Response 133 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (19:32) * 2 lines 
 
Would have preferred Nadal to have stayed. If Murray wins, people may say he had no real opposition in the later stages.
I remember Virginia Wade won the year of the Queen's Silver Jubilee. Would be fitting if he won the year of her Diamond I guess.


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 Response 134 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Jun 28, 2012 (22:50) * 4 lines 
 
Wow, what a day for a news/political junkie! And sports.
I got virtually nothing done all day I really needed to.

And how about how CNN and FOX were so intent on being first they got it wrong! Doofs.


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 Response 135 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (08:41) * 5 lines 
 
What a day indeed! And how about the people saying the were so disgusted, they were moving to Canada? Ha ha ha ha ha....

I still think we should have Universal healthcare here. This is the start.

My son has been living in Madrid for a year and had to have a wisdom tooth out, had tonsillitis, and his fee was reasonable.


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 Response 136 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (09:42) * 3 lines 
 
Loved Colbert's opening using A Tale of Two Cities as a example of partial reading:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/416046/june-28-2012/cable-news-gaffe-on-obamacare-supreme-court-ruling?xrs=share_copy


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 Response 137 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (10:16) * 12 lines 
 
Re: health care reform and the stock market. Here's my tip: wait a day for the market to react, and longer for it to settle in. United Health, Aetna, Cigna, all up over 1% this morning, Cigna close to 2% up. And United was already up at market close yesterday.

Karen, that Colbert bit is hilarious. It was the best of times. Full stop. LOL!

(Moon)And how about the people saying the were so disgusted, they were moving to Canada? Ha ha ha ha ha....

Where they have . . . universal health care! LMAO! Morons who wrote that are beyond ignorant. Please, leave, I beg you.







 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 138 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (11:32) * 1 lines 
 
And yet they're allowed to vote. :-(


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 Response 139 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (11:54) * 1 lines 
 
And many times vote as dead. ;-)


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 Response 140 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (12:02) * 1 lines 
 
Brilliant Colbert, thanks Karen.


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 Response 141 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (14:09) * 3 lines 
 
(Janet)Would have preferred Nadal to have stayed. If Murray wins, people may say he had no real opposition in the later stages.

TBH, I would be suprised if Murray were to beat Nadal nor Federer this year. Speaking of whom, Federer has so far struggled through his match tonight, but seems to be catching up now, bugga!


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 Response 142 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (14:47) * 2 lines 
 
HEY!!!! Nothing wrong with Canada but I don't want morons emigrating here! LOL.
As a retired nurse and lifelong Canadian I will say no more than Universal Health care rocks.


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 Response 143 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (15:16) * 1 lines 
 
Is there a movement to build a fence around your southern border? ;-)


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 Response 144 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Fri, Jun 29, 2012 (22:21) * 1 lines 
 
Nah, no fences. There are no people sneaking across either way in the dead of night. Status quo.


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 Response 145 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sat, Jun 30, 2012 (11:38) * 1 lines 
 
i agree with you , Mari. There's money to be made with these health tax dollars.


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 Response 146 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sat, Jun 30, 2012 (13:41) * 7 lines 
 
I'm not v. interested in sports, but I am in finance.

If anyone else has any ideas on the financial effects of this bill ,under discussion, and how it could affect the market, I'd be interested.
After all everyone has a retirement IRA and is interested in returns, right?

Linda, (no offense), but no worry about my moving to Canada.
I don't even like to visit there.


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 Response 147 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Sat, Jun 30, 2012 (19:09) * 1 lines 
 
No offence taken Evelyn. I hope you didn't misunderstand me. I just repeated what Moon said about "morons" moving to Canada because they didn't want universal health care.... which we have! Perhaps you took it wrong. I meant no offence either. If you change your mind, come on up and I'll make you cookies!!!!


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 Response 148 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sat, Jun 30, 2012 (20:26) * 2 lines 
 
Interesting:
http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/


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 Response 149 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Jul  1, 2012 (09:41) * 5 lines 
 
Thanks for the listing, Janet. Wish more Americans stopped chanting "we're number one" and realized how things have changed. Which reminds me...

On the new Aaron Sorkin show The Newsroom on HBO the news anchor is on a panel and is asked "What makes the US the greatest country?" and after dodging the question he finally lets loose with the stats about litaracy rates, high infant mortality, low academic scores, exports, etc. You can watch the speech here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__uutzcQXc


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 Response 150 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Jul  1, 2012 (11:23) * 3 lines 
 
Oh dear, stop gloating
"shaking head"



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 Response 151 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sun, Jul  1, 2012 (14:49) * 5 lines 
 
For your investing consideration.

"Guess who Likes Obamacare?"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/01/guess-who-likes-obamacare.html


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 Response 152 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Jul  1, 2012 (16:39) * 9 lines 
 
Of course, these are the companies he made a deal with in order to pass the bill. LOL.
Merck is the best as far as dividends.

Hospitals are the winners all around.

WSJ reports that the health insurance co.will lobby for a higher tax. The current one doesn't cover all the liabilities.

Like I said on Thursday, there's $$$$$$$$$ to be made from the health care tax.



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 Response 153 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul  1, 2012 (17:11) * 1 lines 
 
Newsroom looks v. good. I do hope it crosses the pond.


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 Response 154 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul  1, 2012 (17:15) * 1 lines 
 
It's starting on Sky Atlantic on July 10th:-)


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 Response 155 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Sun, Jul  1, 2012 (22:01) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks for the "Newsroom" clip Karen. Very interesting.


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 Response 156 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Jul  2, 2012 (00:00) * 1 lines 
 
You're very welcome. It is typical Aaron Sorkin, i.e., idealistic. Think West Wing in a newsroom. BTW, the fictitious news show's producer is played by Emily Blunt. Dev Patel is in it as well.


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 Response 157 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Jul 16, 2012 (10:18) * 2 lines 
 
Apparently the prolonged run of bad weather in the UK, and the heatwave in the US, is down to the position of the jetstream, which in the UK's case, is sitting to the south of the country instead of moving north as it would usually.
The last four years are the wettest at this time of the year since records began around 100 years ago:-((


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 Response 158 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Jul 16, 2012 (10:22) * 3 lines 
 
Just thinking.
I wonder if the Icelandic volcano eruptions had anything to do with the particular poor weather in the UK?
I remember when Mount St Helens blew, we had a few bad summers after that.


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 Response 159 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Jul 16, 2012 (14:09) * 1 lines 
 
I have given up on 'Summer' and today packed away most of my T Shirts. Depressing thought.


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 Response 160 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Mon, Jul 16, 2012 (15:42) * 1 lines 
 
I read an article about the jet stream, too, Janet. It is high '90s here again today, and it won't cool off until Friday. We go to the beach every weekend, and the ocean water has been about 80 all summer--which is unheard of for the mid-Atlantic. Great for swimming, but freakishly warm.


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 Response 161 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Jul 16, 2012 (17:10) * 1 lines 
 
Much of Canada is also sweltering. Here in Niagara we've had no rain for over a month and temps 90 to 100 with higher humidexes. The west is getting a lot of rain. There are cracks an inch across in my lawn and my flowers are screaming for water.


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 Response 162 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Jul 16, 2012 (17:34) * 3 lines 
 
I know sweltering hot weather can be tiresome, but having practically winter weather in the summer is so depressing.
I had my central heating on the other night, and was wearing slippers, lol!
Yet among my family and friends, I'm known from dressing for the summer all the year round!


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 Response 163 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Mon, Jul 16, 2012 (18:01) * 1 lines 
 
I've been wearing a fleece indoors Janet. Ditto central heating. It's so depressing, never mind fifty shades of grey, British skies have been countless shades of grey!


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 Response 164 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Jul 16, 2012 (18:39) * 2 lines 
 
Strange this is that most days the sun comes out around 6.00pm, although it's not very warm.
I guess my mother was right when she insisted after our glorious week in late May, "That's us had our summer then", lol!


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 Response 165 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (12:24) * 1 lines 
 
I hope the weather in Scotland improves as I was tentatively planning a trip there in September!


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 Response 166 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (13:32) * 3 lines 
 
There's hope on the Horizon, for a bit of summer in blighty! Maybe I shall need to dig out my T Shirts again ;-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18868494


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 Response 167 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (13:50) * 5 lines 
 
Tiring...depressing...But severe heat and drought are far worse. It's 100 or close to it today and these upper 90 degree days are causing huge harm to the economy. My state is very agricultural and the crops are pretty much at a loss. There's been not enough rain and the farmers can't irrigate enough to make a difference. Food prices are soaring.

This past Friday afternoon, we had severe thunderstorms and lightening hit a house around the corner. The rain was pouring down but wasn't able to put out what had ignited her roof. The house will need to be gutted. Tremendous damage.

Everyone is being encouraged to water their parkway trees. The young ones are dying and people have purchased those bags that will slowly water them.


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 Response 168 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (13:58) * 5 lines 
 
(Karen)My state is very agricultural and the crops are pretty much at a loss.

The corn crop is particularly devastated. I read today that these are the worst drought conditions in more than 50 years. And I fear a continued drought will mean more wildfires out west.




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 Response 169 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (14:10) * 2 lines 
 
Our crops are being ruined by excessive rain, and there has been terrible flooding in many places.
Oui're not used to extremes of weather in the UK.


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 Response 170 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (14:28) * 4 lines 
 
(Janet) Our crops are being ruined by excessive rain
From the web: "Agriculture in Scotland employs around 5% of the workforce of the rural regions and contribute to around 1.3% of the GVA"

The Midwest is highly agricultural. When I say that crops are being plowed under, we're talking massive losses. Illinois' big crops are corn and soybeans, plus livestock. But it isn't just my state, it's the entire Midwest, the Plains States and the Western US.


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 Response 171 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (14:46) * 2 lines 
 
I was referring to the UK as a whole, not just Scotland.
I'm not in any way dismissing what's happening in the US, but was just mentioning that our crops were being badly affected by adverse weather too.


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 Response 172 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (14:56) * 3 lines 
 
I also meant to add that I doubt any of us are used to extremes of weather. We typically get a few days or a week of 90s per summer and that's about it. Over a hundred is fairly rare for my area, although being near a large body of water the humidity does take it over the edge when they calcumate the index.

Now I'm going out into the oven to walk the dog. :-(


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 Response 173 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Tue, Jul 17, 2012 (15:30) * 1 lines 
 
Toronto is hitting ANOTHER record today of 38C degrees. Yesterday 17 people under a tent at a BBQ were struck by lightning but fortunately none died. Meanwhile, I'm 100 miles away and STILL no rain!


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 Response 174 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sat, Jul 21, 2012 (15:33) * 3 lines 
 
Carrying on here, from O&E re the Batman Screening Massacre.

I am shocked children of such a young age were in the audience. A 3 month old baby, whom thankfully survived. Sadly a 6 year old girl was killed. Surely there was an age restriction for this film?


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 Response 175 of 542: PeggyM  (PeggyM) * Sat, Jul 21, 2012 (16:42) * 2 lines 
 
I was amazed that children were there, Sue. A 3 month old baby, OK, but a 6 year old should not be there.
I hope this disaster will help to stop the violence in films.


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 Response 176 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sat, Jul 21, 2012 (17:36) * 8 lines 
 
My thoughts too, Peggy and not just violent movies, but video games of the same ilk, too.

Apparently there is a scene in an associated film where a gunman shoots the audience. IMO, film and video makers should be more responsible.

It was the actions of pure evil,IMO, and a pity the killer didn't turn the gun on himself.





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 Response 177 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sat, Jul 21, 2012 (18:52) * 1 lines 
 
I agree. Those little kids are usually the children of teens, who don't pay a babysitter and bring them to the cinema whenever they want to see a film. It happens much too often here.


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 Response 178 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Sat, Jul 21, 2012 (22:47) * 1 lines 
 
I don't think it coincidental that the loonie picked this movie to go berserk. I know violent movies don't effect everyone but if someone's a bit off & gets immersed in violent movies & games they become deluded into thinking such behaviour is somehow a heroic way to get fifteen minutes of fame. Today very few people go to see good stories with good actors because they want car chases & massive violence. What a screwed up attitude. As well, nothing like taking a 6 year old & exposing them to violence.


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 Response 179 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (01:56) * 5 lines 
 
Absolutely no coincidence at all. According to reports James Holmes went in dressed as one of the characters from Batman. Apparently his hair was dyed red, and said he was 'the joker'. He even timed his entrance at a part in the film where there was gunfire.

The problems with violent genre always runs the risk with someone whom has, lets say, an unbalanced, disturbed mind and has grievences and lost touch with reality.

Does that state have the death penalty?


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 Response 180 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (04:22) * 4 lines 
 
Absolutely awful event, and I totally agree about children going to a midnight screening of such a film. No parental responsibility at all.

As far as such events stopping violence on film-no chance. There are those that would argue that it doesn't contribute to violence in society, just as the NRA would argue that the easy availability of weapons doesn't contribute to the occurrence of such atrocities.



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 Response 181 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (06:20) * 1 lines 
 
Absolutely dreadful bad fortune for that poor girl who narrowly missed the shooting in Toronto, only to be killed in Aurora:-(


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 Response 182 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (07:15) * 3 lines 
 
Was talking to a friend about the culture of not queuing in Italy and found this;-)
http://www.rivelazioni.com/mm/bozzetto/eu-it.shtml



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 Response 183 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (07:31) * 1 lines 
 
To be fair, the French aren't much better!


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 Response 184 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (08:44) * 1 lines 
 
Lol, Janet, that drives me crazy. On the other hand, in the US and UK, one can start a queu by just having a few people lined up in the middle of nowhere, and people will queu!?! I read an article by someone who went around towns doing it. It was in an article I read a few years ago.


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 Response 185 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (08:54) * 2 lines 
 
Lol, Moon, I think Brits esp are a national of queuers-it is more civilised.
I remember a few years ago being infuriated by the people queue jumping at St Peters in Rome - soooo annoying when the line is so long!


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 Response 186 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (08:55) * 1 lines 
 
closing tags


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 Response 187 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (08:58) * 1 lines 
 
Meant to say, normally if I plan on visiting places where you're likely to queue, I book online and join the short queue-saves so much time esp if you only have the weekend to sightsee.


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 Response 188 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (10:04) * 12 lines 
 
On the children/baby in the audience, it is very likely as Moon said. The parents did not want to pay a babysitter and both would probably sleep during the movie. They weren't really exposing the children to a violent movie.

As for allowing them in, I don't know what the movie's rating is, but it is probably not any higher than PG-13, which means a child can attend if accompanied by an adult. Some theatre chain restrict bringing children in after certain hours. One chain here has early matinee screenings on a certain day, specifically aimed at mothers and their children. They don't even turn the lights fully down.

I haven't watched the news programs this morning yet to hear about the new developments, but it is a tragedy for all concerned and I will be interested to hear what happened to Holmes that caused him to do it.

(Moon) On the other hand, in the US and UK, one can start a queu by just having a few people lined up in the middle of nowhere, and people will queu!?!
For the most part true. Target has a row of express checkout stations and people will form a queue, expecting to go to the next available checkout station. However, the store doesn't promote that procedure and you need to stand in line behind each station. When you walk straight up to a station and get in an individual line, those in queue give you dirty looks. But the store backs you up. You'd think after all these years the store would just institute the queuing procedure. Everyone expects it.

On the other hand, drivers do not respect the queuing process. I've noticed with some regularlity that drivers will swing out onto the on ramp's merging lane (or off ramp) in order to jump position in their lane.




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 Response 189 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (10:56) * 3 lines 
 
Today very few people go to see good stories with good actors because they want car chases & massive violence.
Car chases and violence sell internationally, more than good stories with lots of narrative.



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 Response 190 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (11:19) * 5 lines 
 
(Karen)They weren't really exposing the children to a violent movie.

Maybe the 3 month old would have been oblivious, but a different story for the 6 year old.




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 Response 191 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (12:10) * 1 lines 
 
Janet, love your queing video. I must pass it along.


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 Response 192 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (13:12) * 5 lines 
 
Imo, there's no good reason to take a six year old to see a film at midnight, regardless of the rating. To think that they would sleep through it is naive. No babysitter? Don't go-as simple as that.
I would never take such a young child to this type of film in any case, whether it was legal or not. Simply bad parenting:-(
I remember when my youngest two were around 6 and 8, they asked if they could go into a friend's' house in our street to watch a film. The Mum was allowing her children of a similar age to watch one of the Freddie Kruger movies Obviously I said no.. Unbelievable!




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 Response 193 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (16:39) * 10 lines 
 
LOL...I wouldn't let mine go see "Bonnie & Clyde" when their friends were going.
They were 12 &14 at the time; I wasn't v. popular.
Mild violence in today's age.

Actually, my grands weren't allowed either.

These are different child-rearing times, Janet.
One must let a child be exposed to all kinds of "expressions"; and let them make up their own minds.




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 Response 194 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (16:56) * 6 lines 
 
(Janet) To think that they would sleep through it is naive. No babysitter? Don't go-as simple as that.
Many people don't look at it as you do. They can't afford a babysitter (how much are they these days?), and aren't going to let him/her make them stay at home. Obviously to these people, seeing the first showing of Batman is more important than their child.

I don't disagree with you and hate when people take their kids to movies they don't belong in. If they don't sleep, then they're fidgety and disturbing everyone who isn't already texting and talking.

BTW, Bonnie and Clyde (which I saw in the movies and would have been 14 yrs old at the time) had the bloodiest ending of any film to date.


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 Response 195 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (17:01) * 3 lines 
 
I agree that times have changed, but I know many young mothers(my niece included) who are responsible parents and put their children first.
It's really sad that parents can be so selfish.
Don't agree with your final comment Evelyn. Were you saying that tongue-in-cheek?


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 Response 196 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Jul 22, 2012 (21:57) * 4 lines 
 
Of course. I should have added :-j (isn't that it?)

I think Quentin Tarantino's films are worse than B&C .
Anyway, they didn't go and have yet to forgive me. (Like I care)


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 Response 197 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Jul 23, 2012 (04:58) * 1 lines 
 
Something like that Evelyn;-)


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 Response 198 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Jul 23, 2012 (07:33) * 72 lines 
 
This cheered me up on a completely miserable and wet so-called summer's day:

Here are some GED exam answers from 16 year old kids. Looking through it seems we have some kids who haven’t been paying much attention in class and some who are far too clever o ever accept any help from teachers. Whatever else these are funny exam answers, so have a look through and see which you find the funniest.

Q. Name the four seasons
A. Salt, pepper, mustard and vinegar

Q. Explain one of the processes by which water can be made safe to drink
A. Flirtation makes water safe to drink because it removes large pollutants like grit, sand, dead sheep and canoeists

Q. How is dew formed
A. The sun shines down on the leaves and makes them perspire

Q. What causes the tides in the oceans
A. The tides are a fight between the earth and the moon. All water tends to flow towards the moon, because there is no water on the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins the fight

Q. What guarantees may a mortgage company insist on
A. If you are buying a house they will insist that you are well endowed

Q. In a democratic society, how important are elections
A. Very important. Sex can only happen when a male gets an election

Q. What are steroids
A. Things for keeping carpets still on the stairs (Shoot yourself now , there is little hope)

Q.. What happens to your body as you age
A. When you get old, so do your bowels and you get intercontinental

Q. What happens to a boy when he reaches puberty
A. He says goodbye to his boyhood and looks forward to his adultery.

Q. Name a major disease associated with cigarettes
A. Premature death

Q. What is artificial insemination
A. When the farmer does it to the bull instead of the cow

Q. How can you delay milk turning sour
A. Keep it in the cow (Simple, but brilliant)

Q. How are the main 20 parts of the body categorised (e.g. The abdomen)
A. The body is consisted into 3 parts – the brainium, the borax and the abdominal cavity. The brainium contains the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs and the abdominal cavity contains the five bowels: A, E, I,O,U.. (wtf!)

Q. What is the fibula?
A. A small lie

Q. What does ‘varicose’ mean?
A. Nearby

Q. What is the most common form of birth control
A. Most people prevent contraception by wearing a condominium .

Q. Give the meaning of the term ‘Caesarean section’
A. The caesarean section is a district in Rome

Q. What is a seizure?
A. A Roman Emperor. (Julius Seizure, I came, I saw, I had a fit)

Q. What is a terminal illness
A. When you are sick at the airport. (Irrefutable)

Q. Give an example of a fungus. What is a characteristic feature?
A. Mushrooms. They always grow in damp places and they look like umbrellas

Q. Use the word ‘judicious’ in a sentence to show you understand its meaning
A. Hands that judicious can be soft as your face.

Q. What does the word ‘benign’ mean?
A. Benign is what you will be after you be eight (brilliant)

Q. What is a turbine?
A. Something an Arab or Shreik wears on his head


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 Response 199 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Jul 23, 2012 (09:18) * 6 lines 
 
Those are too funny, Janet. It's hard to choose between them, as to which I find the funniest. This one made me literally LOL.

Q. What is a terminal illness
A. When you are sick at the airport. (Irrefutable)


Hate to tell you this, but it's hot, wall to wall sunshine here. It won't last, it's forecast to chuck it down on Friday ;-)


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 Response 200 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Jul 23, 2012 (09:19) * 1 lines 
 
PS. It's been reported on the news. James Holmes could face the death penalty if found guilty. Lethal injection would be too good for him though.


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 Response 201 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Jul 23, 2012 (16:41) * 2 lines 
 
According to recent reports those weapons and ammunition were v. expensive.
If he was unemployed ,one has to wonder where did he get his money from?


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 Response 202 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Jul 23, 2012 (16:48) * 1 lines 
 
Wasn't he still at university, and possibly being supported by his family?


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 Response 203 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Jul 23, 2012 (16:53) * 1 lines 
 
They live in a very nice locale(from what I can see on Google Earth), so I guess they're comfortably off.


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 Response 204 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Tue, Jul 24, 2012 (21:56) * 13 lines 
 
(Janet)Wasn't he still at university, and possibly being supported by his family?

No, he was supported by the US gov't.

CBS DC

"Holmes was awarded a prestigious grant from the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md. NIH is part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

....it gave the graduate student a $26,000 stipend and paid his tuition for the highly competitive neuroscience program at the University of Colorado in Denver. Holmes was one of six neuroscience students at the school to get the grant money..."

James Holmes Received $26K Grant From Bethesda-Based National Institutes of Health

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/


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 Response 205 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (00:10) * 1 lines 
 
And the reaction to this fact will be to dismantle government research grants and agencies of government instead of addressing gun control, which no one is going to do in an election year.


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 Response 206 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (00:33) * 11 lines 
 
From the LA Times:

Many news reports have suggested that Holmes applied for and received an NIH grant. This is not true, and it implies an NIH vetting process regarding Holmes that never took place.

According to a statement from the university, Holmes was paid by what’s called an institutional training grant. The University of Colorado, Denver has had this particular grant since 1993. That means the NIH funds went to the school’s neuroscience department, and from there they were distributed to six students at a time, including Holmes. Because of this, the NIH likely never even saw Holmes' name.

The goal of these training grants is to support graduate students before they decide to join a specific laboratory. Once they do, their salaries are paid with money from the research grants of the professor who heads the lab they joined. Sometimes, grad students apply for their own funding as well.

I am familiar with these funding procedures because I am a neuroscience graduate student at Weill Cornell Graduate School in New York. From my vantage point, institutional training grants are one of the linchpins of American scientific competitiveness. They are given to programs from the most competitive universities and research institutions, where they allow schools to pay stipends to their students to defray living expenses. Without them, many schools would struggle to recruit students, particularly in expensive cities like New York (where I work) and San Francisco.

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-the-nih-did-not-give-money-directly-20120724,0,4358097.story?track=rss


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 Response 207 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (00:37) * 3 lines 
 
From a more acceptable source:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/21/shooting-suspect-had-federal-grant-university-says/


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 Response 208 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (08:40) * 10 lines 
 
I quoted CBS because I knew it would be more palatable to this topi;-J.

I am sure that the University has had excellent results with the research they conduct with such grants .
Perhaps he they might do a better job in the future of vetting potential grantees.


Hard to dismantle the 2nd amendment. There are gun control laws out there, but sadly they are not always enforced.
But by all reports some of his ammunition was acquired via the internet.
Which in many cases is lawless.
Perhaps there has to be laws governing the internet too.


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 Response 209 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (09:11) * 3 lines 
 
There is no reason that a civilian should be able to purchase assault weapons. That needs to change. Can we all agree on that? And I don't feel the 2nd amendment is so sacrosanct that it can't be changed to reflect the needs of the citizens today; it's not like it came from Moses on the tablets.;-) Laws and the Constitution should work for the people.

There is a definite connection between guns and gun violence. Good for Mayor Bloomberg for speaking out. I want to see some leadership on this issue, but the conventional wisdom is that you can't get re-elected/elected if you come out for gun control. I'd like to see that "wisdom" turned on its head.


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 Response 210 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (09:23) * 5 lines 
 
There was nothing wrong with the source, except that it provided misleading information. As everyone knows, pretty much all research/PhD is funded by grants by the government or private orgs.

By all accounts, he is a brilliant guy. I'm not sure what anyone could have done in evaluating his credentials for getting one of the grant slots.

When you read the comments under these articles, I'm amazed by all the people who think an armed audience would have been a good thing. :-( Evidently Colorado is a state that allows carrying concealed weapons, but that type of venue is off limits.


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 Response 211 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (09:53) * 7 lines 
 
Holmes was wearing bullet proof protective gear. And had it not been for his assault weapon jamming, he would have killed many more.

I am appalled that his family has stated they ate supporting him because he's their son. I'm sure they will try to get him off a death sentence and stress mental illness.

More reasons to ban weapons because they are available to the mentally ill.

This country is so backwards, the 2 amendment needs to change.


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 Response 212 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (10:36) * 14 lines 
 
More reasons to ban weapons because they are available to the mentally ill.
Only through the internet where they can't be properly vetted.
That has to change.
As do assault weapons, I agree.
Stricter internet laws, and enforce the laws that are there to bar the mentally ill. But apparently, he gave no signs.

No one has addressed the culture of violence that is present today, films, cable TV?
Was he re-enacting a scene from the film?

Trying to bar all guns is so hopeless. Really.It's not gonna happen.
Types of guns, yes. But what are you going to do with internet purchases.
There are gun shows all the time in every state.




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 Response 213 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (10:46) * 4 lines 
 
Rapper Ice T was being interviewed on UK TV the day of the shootings.
He was asked about gun law in the US, and whether he would give up his guns. He said he would when everyone else did.
He also said he had guns to protect himself from the police!
I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of what he said:-(


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 Response 214 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (11:44) * 7 lines 
 
Newsweek Owner Says Magazine Will Eventually Be Online Only

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/newsweek-owner-says-magazine-will-eventually-be-online-only.html
Sad, I remember eagerly reading Newsweek and Time when I lived overseas.
That and International Herald Trib was the only way I got news of the US.




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 Response 215 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (12:03) * 1 lines 
 
After a tragedy like this, FOX news said it was no time to discuss gun control out of respect for the families. They did state it WAS time to discuss banning people from going into movies dressed as their favourite characters or wearing make up. Maybe a Harry Potter look alike will spear somebody with his wand! How idiotic!!! The politicians are cowards and the NRA way too influential. NOBODY needs an assault weapon to hunt (all that would be left of Bambi would be a hoof) or for shooting a burglar. Maybe the 6 year old killed should have been packing heat to defend herself!


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 Response 216 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (13:36) * 5 lines 
 
I don't agree with the sale of guns, but they are largely banned in the UK, apart from those with a special license, and it sadly hasn't stopped the determined killer.

The most recent shooting which comes to mind was recently in Clacton-on-sea, Essex, just a stones throw from me. The guy didn't have a gun licence but had connections to a gun club! He had long running issues with his neighbours, he flipped and shot at them, chasing them down the street. Am off duty policeman tried to intervene and was shot dead at blank point range, out in the street, in the middle of the day when kids were returning home from School. Some children witnessed the shooting. It's very sad.

Also, the Internet is too easy a source.


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 Response 217 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (14:37) * 1 lines 
 
In Italy you must apply for the permit to buy a gun, and there is a mandatory 6 month course to take before you can own one. But that's a regular gun. Assault weapons are banned. This is most civilized.


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 Response 218 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (15:24) * 12 lines 
 
Also, the Internet is too easy a source.

Anyone who wants to buy a gun can get one on the internet from a supplier or an individual buyer.

Chicago has some of the most stringent gun laws in the country but that didn 't stop the massacre over the 4th of July.How many were killed then.









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 Response 219 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (15:25) * 2 lines 
 
The SNP government plan to ban almost all gun ownership, including airguns, which was used to shoot and kill a young child by a lunatic taking potshots at people in the street.
Game hunting is a big sport in the Highlands, pursued mainly by the rich toffs from south of the border, so they won't want to lose that lucrative income:-(


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 Response 220 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (15:50) * 1 lines 
 
Sorry, to clarify the SNP government of Scotland, where we have our own laws(not just relating to guns).


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 Response 221 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (17:11) * 6 lines 
 
(Evelyn) Chicago has some of the most stringent gun laws in the country but that didn 't stop the massacre over the 4th of July.How many were killed then.
How many constitutes a massacre? There were probably about 4 or 5 killed, but 4x that number wounded. The shootings were gang-related.

What I see on the news are numerous community efforts to get the guns off the street. I think yesterday the leaders of every faith imaginable came together to issue a statement and get the guns.

Just because the laws may not be effective shouldn't mean we just give up. I'd rather they legislate gun control than wearing costumes in movies or shut down federal grants to research facilities.


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 Response 222 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (17:55) * 6 lines 
 
As an outsider, I don't understand why Gun Laws are such a contentious issue in Election Year.
Is it considered that to be in favour of reform is a vote loser?
I thought it may have the opposite effect, but since I know little of the everyday Americans attitude to gun ownership, I guess that may not be the case.





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 Response 223 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Jul 25, 2012 (19:11) * 2 lines 
 
Interesting article:
http://www.halfbakedlunatic.com/post/2011/06/09/Americans-and-their-Guns.aspx


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 Response 224 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (00:42) * 5 lines 
 
From District of Columbia v. Heller, the majority opinion written by Scalia:

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

Which all boils down to even with a Second Amendment right, there can be restrictions and regulations.


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 Response 225 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (09:13) * 1 lines 
 
I always agree with Justice Scalia:-D


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 Response 226 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (09:28) * 14 lines 
 
"Chicago's bloody summer of homicides has risen to over 38 percent killed this year, and New York City isn't too far behind. In a five-day stretch beginning on July 4th and ending Sunday the 8th, sixteen New Yorkers were slain. "
http://globalgrind.com/news/16-murders-nyc-five-days-july-4th-chicago-murder-rate-2012-details#ixzz21fdBzoXK

"Four men were killed and at least 19 others, including a 16-year-old boy, were injured in separate overnight shootings between 9:00 am Wednesday and 4:00 am today in Chicago."


http://globalgrind.com/news/chicago-4-killed-19-wounded-4th-july-2012-details#ixzz21fdmXgtZ

They could get every male/female clergy in Chicago to rally about banning guns and it wouldn't make a blip in that city's crime rate.

It's a complicated problem and needs a comprehensive package, not just selecting which component one is in favor of.
I would include banning violent films, games etc.

Ever go to those arcades and look at those machines?


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 Response 227 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (12:04) * 1 lines 
 
We're (and by that I mean my particular neighborhood) experiencing a real increase in crime and violent activity. There's a meeting on Monday night to talk about the rash of break-ins, armed assaults, etc., that hve been occuring. I've been told that the house that was struck by lightening was broken into and the woman's jewelery stolen, people have been held up on my street in broad daylight, and there was an assault on a jogger at 7:30 am a couple blocks away and another woman was pistol-whipped at 7 pm.


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 Response 228 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (12:43) * 9 lines 
 
How scary.Be careful out there. Pariah;-)

My iPhone has a siren app that lets -off a screeching sound the minute you touch it.

Radio Shack also has a gadget that lets off a loud siren.DS gave it to me since I travel alone in big cities.
I've heard that loud noises deter robbers.

(I can send you my pistol
DH's dad's )


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 Response 229 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (14:25) * 1 lines 
 
Oh My! Karen, sounds very frightening. Keep safe!


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 Response 230 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (16:51) * 3 lines 
 
I'll have to check on the Radio Shack device. I walk around the neighborhood with my dog in the morning, afternoon and near 10 pm. I don't carry anything valuable, except my keys. Doubtful anyone would try to hold up a person with a dog, no matter what size, as you never know how the dog will react (barking, biting, etc.)

I just checked the Chicago Police Dept's website, where you can look at all the reported crimes on a map. Tons of assaults right on what would be considered the High Street of my neighborhood.


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 Response 231 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (19:55) * 7 lines 
 
Here it is...the key chain security alarm.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3513365&utm_campaign=Category_CMS&utm_source=CAT&utm_medium=RSCOM&utm_content=CT2032331#

They say web only. But son got mine from a store.Check local store. Sometimes if you order from store they waiver shipping.

Do it NOW. Tonight!


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 Response 232 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Jul 26, 2012 (19:59) * 3 lines 
 
Ignore the comments. I used my own batteries and worked fine on try-out.
I never had to use it for an actual hold-up, however.



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 Response 233 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Aug  1, 2012 (12:50) * 5 lines 
 
thanks, there's a RadioShack about four blocks away.

The neighborhood meeting was a standing room only crowd, complete with camera crews from the TV stations. Besides it being swelteringly hot inside, there was a ton of hot air spewed by the police dept reps putting on their boilerplate dog and pony show, which no one wanted to hear. One guy near me kept interrupting to ask questions to which he didn't get answers. Yes or no are we going to get a visible police presence? Apparently, after a shooting earlier this summer on Michigan Ave (our ritziest shopping street and touristy area), the police went out in force all over that area. People were very upset with the generalities and the intimation that in many cases we have ourselves to blame (leaving our garages open). However, I was unaware until recently that a housing project a few blocks away has become home to ex-felons and drug dealers. I walk past this place en route to the dog groomers!

Anyway, I heard of so many other incidents that have occurred on the High Street of my area, with people all around. Flash mobs cutting the face of a big guy outside a restaurant with a broken bottle! They didn't even attempt to rob him, they just cut his face. There are people who just want to hurt/harm you; the objective isn't just money.


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 Response 234 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Aug  1, 2012 (13:01) * 5 lines 
 
I didn't want to put this on the Olympics board, as it is more political. ;-)

While I loved Cameron's response to Mitt's comment about London's readiness for the games, Stephen Colbert did feel that it wasn't entirely accurate. He said Salt Lake City isn't the middle of nowhere. It is the northwest corner of nowhere. ;-)

Stephen has been doing some great stuff on Mitt and did a two-part segment on dressage, culminating last night in his wearing the fancy riding habit and learning to ride a horse doing the fancing high stepping. When it wase over, he put on a horse's head and was prancing around (sans horse) to the Beach Boy's Kokomo.


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 Response 235 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Wed, Aug  1, 2012 (18:06) * 1 lines 
 
Wasn't it Boris Johnson [Mayor of London] who replied to Mitt Romney at the Olympic concert ?


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 Response 236 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Aug  1, 2012 (20:39) * 2 lines 
 
Both Cameron and Johnson have commented on Romney's statement.
Boris at the concert a Hyde Park, and David while visiting the Olympic stadium ahead of the opening.


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 Response 237 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Aug  1, 2012 (22:24) * 1 lines 
 
The clip that has been shown here is David Cameron, who said the "middle of nowhere" thing. Boris didn't make our news.


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 Response 238 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Thu, Aug  2, 2012 (05:12) * 3 lines 
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/jul/27/boris-johnson-mitt-romney-olympics-video

This is what I was referring to.


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 Response 239 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Aug  2, 2012 (10:07) * 1 lines 
 
Doesn't matter. It was Cameron who made the clever response and that was picked up by the news and comedians.


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 Response 240 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Aug  6, 2012 (12:16) * 2 lines 
 
Amusing article(hope this is the correct topic).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18983558


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 Response 241 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Aug 10, 2012 (12:44) * 3 lines 
 
Awful news regarding the case of the the missing 12 year old girl, Tia Sharp. The Police have found a body in the Grandmother's house. The step-Grandfather has gone missing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19214964


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 Response 242 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Aug 10, 2012 (12:46) * 1 lines 
 
Dreadful case, but as the details trickled out, it became so obvious that this was a seriously disfunctional family, and I suspected foul play:-((


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 Response 243 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Aug 10, 2012 (12:50) * 1 lines 
 
Me, too, Janet. The Grand-Father seemed to falter when describing the mobile phone charging, when giving the TV interview the other day. Little has been said about the Mother and Father, unless I have missed it. Very sad.


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 Response 244 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Aug 10, 2012 (12:52) * 1 lines 
 
How the heck could the Police lose tabs on the step-Grandfather, I thought he and the Grandmother was under 'house arrest'.


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 Response 245 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Aug 10, 2012 (13:03) * 3 lines 
 
Her mother used to be in a relationship with the Step-Grandfather(although he's not even that, but the partner of the Grandmother).
No mention of her biological father, just her 'stepfather'- her mother's new boyfriend.
Missing man is a convicted Crack Cocaine dealer and also has a conviction for a machete attack.


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 Response 246 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Aug 10, 2012 (13:06) * 1 lines 
 
Oh nice (not) I wasn't aware of those details, and they let him slip through their fingers, unbelievable.


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 Response 247 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Thu, Sep  6, 2012 (19:57) * 4 lines 
 
Before its too late, I want to say: Yeah, Bill! What a great speech last night. Too bad Hillary wasn't there. How I wish she were POTUS and he were First Gentleman.

This election more than ever is not about if we like the candidate, it's about social issues and either
going backwards or movIng forward. Scary.


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 Response 248 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Sep  7, 2012 (03:30) * 2 lines 
 
I take it that a candidate can't have been president before, or only if he's served two terms?



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 Response 249 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Sep  7, 2012 (10:09) * 0 lines 
 


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 Response 250 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Sep  7, 2012 (10:10) * 6 lines 
 
Bill is like a rock star and he gave a great speech. Loved when he quote Ronald Reagan with "there you go again." LOL! Jon Stewart's commentary on the speech was a riot. All about the numbers, the specifics, the math. Called him "the big dog."

Michelle also gave an incredible speech.

(Janet) I take it that a candidate can't have been president before, or only if he's served two terms?
After FDR, the 22nd Amendment was passed, which limited a president to two terms in office.... Naturally Congress didn't propose similar restrictions on itself. Never does. :-(


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 Response 251 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Fri, Sep  7, 2012 (12:32) * 1 lines 
 
I liked when Bill played truth squad. "Now listen up, so when you hear the (opponent's) ads say something different, you'll know the truth." He's an amazing communicator.


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 Response 252 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Sep  7, 2012 (12:51) * 5 lines 
 
And...

Republicans will find plenty of Clinton’s scorching opinions objectionable. But with few exceptions, we found his stats checked out.

http://factcheck.org/2012/09/our-clinton-nightmare/


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 Response 253 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Fri, Sep  7, 2012 (16:24) * 1 lines 
 
Didn't see Clinton's speech but enjoyed Obama's and Bieden's. Maybe I'm in the minority but I can't see how anyone can currently vote Republican. Unfortunately, many US policies effect us in other countires too.


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 Response 254 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Sep 10, 2012 (10:15) * 6 lines 
 
Way t'go for increases $$$$debts

We're getting close to Italy, Spain, Uk & Greece.

Yaaaay



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 Response 255 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sat, Sep 15, 2012 (10:09) * 3 lines 
 
Looks like Evelyn's honey, Silvio, owns the magazine that first published the topless pics of Kate Middleton. Classy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/topless-photos-of-kate-middleton-2012-9


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 Response 256 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sat, Sep 15, 2012 (13:32) * 2 lines 
 
I'm no great fan of the Royals, but this is a gross intrusion of their privacy, and in no way can it be deemed in the public interest to print these pics:-(



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 Response 257 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sat, Sep 15, 2012 (18:43) * 8 lines 
 
I *am* a fan of the Royals and agree that it was unconscionable of the magazine to print these pictures...which also goes for the people who buy them, or go to the website.
If there wasn't a market , the papers wouldn't print them.

However,

Someone...****anyone***....pl tell our beloved Royals that there are photographers lurking under every bush wherever they tread ....legal or not.
If you don't want to be photographed "starkers", don't walk around the patio such.



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 Response 259 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Sep 16, 2012 (13:35) * 8 lines 
 
That's tantamount to saying a woman deserves to be raped because of how she's dressed.
No way.
Rape is never condoned; naked on a French beach or clothed.

And I didn't say she deserved to be photographed "starkers" ; and you KNOW it.





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 Response 261 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Sep 16, 2012 (14:31) * 7 lines 
 
I believe everyone has a right to privacy, regardless of the privileged life they lead. and that includes sunbathing topless if she so wishes.

However, I'm concerned at the security surrounding them. The pics were taken with a telescopic camera lens. What if it had been a rifle lens instead, easily capable of hitting its target at such a distance(1000 metres)?

Security around the Royals seems to be inadequate, or at least, inefficient.

Terrorists were targetting Harry in Afghanistan, who's to say they aren't following William and Catherine?


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 Response 262 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Sep 16, 2012 (15:02) * 8 lines 
 
Oh dear....
You're reading things into my posting that I never meant.

LOL.
After all these years too....
I know, I'm a slow learner.

I'm done.


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 Response 263 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (11:18) * 3 lines 
 
This is so wrong. The Republican legislatures sure pulled a fast one . . .

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/09/24/voter-id-laws-purges-may-deter-10-million-latinos-from-polls-study-says/


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 Response 264 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (11:25) * 1 lines 
 
It is far worse than that. The law targets the young, poor, Latino and the elderly. I recall a story in one state where an elderly woman who has voted in every election for over 50 years wasn't going to be able to vote now. Getting a state-issued photo I.D. was difficult as the issuing authority was far away, had limited hours, and she relied on public transpo.


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 Response 265 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (11:41) * 1 lines 
 
No offence, but US politics is currently VERY scary in my opinion. Then again, I don't like ours either!


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 Response 266 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (11:56) * 3 lines 
 
Karen, the story you cited may have been from here in PA. This 97-year old woman filed suit, which eventually found its way to the state supreme court, which has now kicked it back to the lower court to prove that people won't be disenfranchsed.

They even have a smoking gun: a video of the Republican head of the state legislature stating that the new rules "will ensure that Mitt Romney wins Pennsylvania." Hey, if you can't beat your opponent fair and square, just screw their likely supporters, who are among society's most vulnerable. Disgusting.


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 Response 267 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (12:02) * 5 lines 
 
I very much agree--and am very scared--and don't see any possibility of it getting any better, so long as our politicians are paid for by the very rich and corporations.

This initiative needs backing:

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=86a35f51-2d2b-45a8-baa2-358b61af8c2e


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 Response 268 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (12:06) * 9 lines 
 
(Mari) which has now kicked it back to the lower court to prove that people won't be disenfranchsed.
How does "kicking it back" prove that people won't be disenfrancised or do you mean the lower court has to prove it?

I've seen the smoking gun video numerous times.

(Mari) Hey, if you can't beat your opponent fair and square, just screw their likely supporters, who are among society's most vulnerable.
Or change the rules, like the Citizens United case did.




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 Response 269 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (12:11) * 3 lines 
 
Another potential rule change is the proposed repeal of the 17th amendment, which a number of Republican incumbents and candidates back. They want to take away our right to elect senators. It would be far cheaper to buy state legislators. :-(

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/16/repeal_the_17th_amendment/


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 Response 270 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (13:55) * 7 lines 
 
(Karen)How does "kicking it back" prove that people won't be disenfrancised or do you mean the lower court has to prove it?

The latter. And actually, "prove" is not the right word. Here's a good, concise article on the ruling.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/pennsylvania-voter-id-law_n_1894069.html




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 Response 271 of 542: Peggy   (slpeg2003) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (15:12) * 10 lines 
 
(Linda) VERY scary in my opinion
I agree.
In Texas, there are large groups of volunteers scouring the voter registration lists looking for voter fraud and claiming to be non-partisan. In reality, they are so hoping to find thousands of cases and remove Democratic votes from the ballot box!
The Texas of my youth no longer exists and is being hijacked by the reactionaries. I am so much in the minority here that "pariah" would suit me.

I am not very good at putting my thoughts into words.
Aaron Sorkin summed it up for me. I wanted to stand up and cheer when I saw this speech on "The Newsroom"

http://youtu.be/kq5XE9iMo3w



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 Response 272 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (15:33) * 3 lines 
 
(posting from iP)
What 's the big deal? I had to show a picture ID when I had a mammogram & showed my Medicare card. What's more my 97 Hispanic mother never complained whe she had to show an I D to vote.
BTw she didn't drive either.


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 Response 273 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Sep 24, 2012 (16:58) * 3 lines 
 
(Peggy) Aaron Sorkin summed it up for me. I wanted to stand up and cheer when I saw this speech on "The Newsroom"
I know, that was brilliant. Sorkin's patriotic speeches always are brilliant (go back to Michael Douglas in the American Pres). Unfortunately, it was probably just preaching to the choir.



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 Response 274 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Sep 25, 2012 (11:13) * 3 lines 
 
Article from this morning's Philly Inquirer on a guy, a former CEO of a billion dollar company, who may not be able to vote due to minor name discrepanacies on his voter registration card, drivers license and passport. Good thing I don't live in PA anymore, or I'd have the same problem. And he's been persistent; how many people won't bother? Or can't even get to a DMV? Ridiculous.

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/annette_john-hall/20120925_Annette_John-Hall__Voter_ID_law_is_unfair_to_people_from_all_walks_of_life.html


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 Response 275 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Sep 25, 2012 (15:28) * 1 lines 
 
Why does he have to vote? He's already bought the politicians and the election. :-(


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 Response 276 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Wed, Sep 26, 2012 (17:49) * 11 lines 
 
(Evelyn) What 's the big deal? I had to show a picture ID....
The point is you (and your mom did) have one. Many of the targets don't.

The other point is, there have been no discernible amounts of voter fraud found that would require legislation such as this. The instances are so few as to be almost non-existent.


I see the Florida Governor and Republicans gave up on their first attempt at the same thing, but now the group the State R's hired to do a voter registration drive got snagged doing a shady job.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/questionable-palm-beach-county-voter-registration-/nSL5Y/




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 Response 277 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (10:39) * 1 lines 
 
As you'll recall, Florida had passed legislation which required that third-party registration groups turn in completed applications within 48 hrs. The League of Women's Voters pulled out of Florida and filed suit. However, a judge ruled last month that such restrictions were onerous and violated people's First Amendment rights.


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 Response 278 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (14:29) * 7 lines 
 
Those IDs are available at all the car license offices.
Rediculous. If they can take the time to go and vote, they can go and get an ID card beforehand.

And on the question of laws....I am Hispanic...and if I'm stopped and asked for proof of citizenship, I shan't be offended.
The cops are just following the law.

so there!


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 Response 279 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (14:57) * 2 lines 
 
Not everyone lives near a car license office. And not all the offices are open convenient (or sometimes, many) hours. Not everyone lives in an urban area like you.
And not everyone can get around easily like you. Or have someone to rely on to help them to do so. Even in NYC, you'd be amazed how many people are alone, diabled (officially or not) with no help to get anywhere, despite having taxis, buses and subways. Or have friends that have very limited time to help or the physical ability to help. If there wasn't grocery store delivery, with no one to help them, do you know how many would starve? And I live in the ultimate urban environment.


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 Response 280 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (14:58) * 2 lines 
 
diabled (officially or not)
disabled, of course. :-)


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 Response 281 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (15:03) * 7 lines 
 
Rediculous. If they can take the time to go and vote,
I missed responding to this...
There's absentee voting. Mailed to your house. Which is what a lot of elderly and disabled people do.

For example...

http://www.sos.la.gov/tabid/462/Default.aspx


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 Response 282 of 542: Peggy   (slpeg2003) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (15:10) * 9 lines 
 
(Evelyn) Those IDs are available at all the car license offices.

Yes, they are available at the license offices, but in Texas they cost money and one has to be able to get to one of the offices and be well enough to wait in long lines.

This would exclude my parents even if I were to make a 500 mile round trip ('bout $150 worth of gas for that) to take them to the DPS. The situation at the licensing office would be intolerable. They have been voting absentee for years and I don't know how that is handled with the picture ID requirement.

The poll tax was eliminated years ago for being discriminatory. Now the current proposals are discriminating against the old, infirm, poor and those without transportation.

Like Mari, I could have trouble since my passport, driver's license and oter registration names are not all alike.


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 Response 283 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (15:30) * 3 lines 
 
In Pennsylvania, many counties do not have their own DMV office, so there's travel to another county involved, which could be many miles, with no public transportation available even if you're well and mobile enough to use it. And many have lmiited hours.

All of a sudden, there's effort being put into preventing voter fraud that doesn't exist. Talk about fishy . . .


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 Response 284 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (16:06) * 5 lines 
 
(Peggy) The poll tax was eliminated years ago for being discriminatory. Now the current proposals are discriminating against the old, infirm, poor and those without transportation.
(Mari) All of a sudden, there's effort being put into preventing voter fraud that doesn't exist. Talk about fishy . . .

With that PA politician's video'd statement and the statistically insignificant number for voter fraud, requiring photo I.D. has no other reason than to change the rules to help Romney win.

I've never been asked for proof of identity at the polls. If a black, hispanic, young or old person is, then that's an infringement of their First Amendement rights.


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 Response 285 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (18:16) * 7 lines 
 
Rubbish! I've been asked every time...I'm Hispanic & OLD (so far not disabled!) and don't consider it
an infringement on my rights.
I have other worries...trust me, and so should you.
Like I said this is a lot of liberal , ACLU balderdash.

Peggy, get all those names to match, honey. How did you do that?
Youse in trouble;-)


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 Response 286 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (18:24) * 8 lines 
 
BTW I have a new honey....you'll be happy to know...



PS what would you girls do w/o me...I'm the only punching-bag around.
C'mon...come one, come all;-)LOL




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 Response 287 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (20:29) * 1 lines 
 
LOL, well, never let it be said that reality imposes on a conservative's entrenched world view.


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 Response 288 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (20:34) * 1 lines 
 
I'm also never asked to show ID to vote. Maybe OK doesn't trust its voters. I just have to sign the book that has a copy of my signature to match up.


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 Response 289 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (20:45) * 1 lines 
 
Your old honey was preferable. At least Silvio wasn't interested in goading world powers into another war.


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 Response 290 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Sep 27, 2012 (21:30) * 3 lines 
 
Here's a timely story from PA I just found on a friend of a friend's Facebook page (neither will ever have any idea I took it, I'm sure). An onerous process clearly. But what does that matter, they did it, right? :-/ And if they can, *anyone* can!

"Well I got my new driver's license today. The wait at the photo booths was only about 1/2 hour. But my heart was broken by the number of elderly being wheeled, walkered in, having a daughter or wife hold the arm not holding the cane, the ones who needed a spouse or child to answer the questions because the person behind the coounter was not speaking loudly enough....no they were not getting licenses. They were getting voter photo ID cards. The helpers were looking harried as they had rushed home from work in order to get the elderly person there in time. Our state may end up with about 500,000 disenfranchised voters if the PA Dept of Transportation cannot get them moved through the lines before November 6th."


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 Response 291 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (05:05) * 3 lines 
 
Not knowing anything about American politics, I'm a wee bit perplexed by this voting ID saga.
The Democrats are in power, (or are they? winkie), yet the Republicans are enforcing this legislation, in order to disenfranchise mainly Democratic voters.
- Am I reading the situation correctly?


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 Response 292 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (09:07) * 8 lines 
 
No, you are not, Janet.
We do not wish to disenranchise anybody.
We wish to "discourage" voter fraud.
Just following the law, ma'm...
just following the law.





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 Response 293 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (09:08) * 6 lines 
 
Your old honey was preferable. At least Silvio wasn't interested in goading world powers into another war.
That's your opinion, Precious, and you have a right to have it as distorted as it might seem.

I like strong men who stand up to their country's interests.
Hate wimpy leaders;-q



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 Response 294 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (09:10) * 2 lines 
 
It appears others on this board don't agree with you.
However, you live in a democracy, and are entitled to your opinion;-)


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 Response 295 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (09:12) * 5 lines 
 
That's what I just said,Janet!!

Don't you live in one too where different people have different opinions?




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 Response 296 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (09:15) * 5 lines 
 
Post #292 In reply to post #292.

(Evelyn)I like strong men who stand up to their country's interests.
Rather sweeping statement, when I think of some 'strong leaders', past and present I could name.



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 Response 297 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (09:16) * 1 lines 
 
Yikes! #294 reply to #292:-))


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 Response 298 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (09:21) * 4 lines 
 
enough for today...

now I'm going over to O&E , (if I can find it(, LOL, for the Boss' Birthday.
did everybody forget?


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 Response 299 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (10:15) * 1 lines 
 
Janet, each state legislature (there are 50;-) can set procedures concerning voting. Which is why someone in Pennsylvania could be disenfranchised whereas their neighbor right across the river in New Jersey who has the same set of documents, won't be. :-(


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 Response 300 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (14:39) * 5 lines 
 
Just following the law, ma'm...

Which in Florida apparently includes registering the dead as Republicans:

http://news.yahoo.com/voter-registration-problems-widening-florida-154156242--election.html


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 Response 301 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (16:08) * 1 lines 
 
I can't understand the American system at all. Our voter's lists are published and made avilable far in advance from census and door to door data. You also receive a mail notice to take with you when you vote. If you are not on a list in your polling area or do not receive a mail notice you simply approach them with proof of citizenship. The US system makes it far too easy to disenfranchise folks.


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 Response 302 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (18:17) * 1 lines 
 
The point is not really whether you *can* or not disenfranchise, the point is the process itself becomes politicized because one side or the other *wants* to disenfranchise.


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 Response 303 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (19:03) * 3 lines 
 
There's an imperceptible amount of Voter ID fraud despite Republican insistence on laws to protect us from it, but there is this....

http://elections.americablog.com/2012/09/gop-voter-fraud-scandal-in-florida-spreads-statewide-possibly-nationwide.html


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 Response 304 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Fri, Sep 28, 2012 (19:27) * 5 lines 
 
Aren't you girls happy to have me give the opposing opinion?
w/o me you'd be congratulating each other on your Divine Inspiration of the ultimate truth.
It would be duller than it is already.




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 Response 305 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (00:08) * 16 lines 
 
To further preach to the choir, and perhaps help our friends in other countries understand some more, an article that seems to illustrate the remarks of the FB poster I posted.

More power to Evelyn that she's in sufficient physical and mental shape to jump through the 10 hoops some have had jump through to get an ID and that this wouldn't be an issue.

In this day and age,with not one iota of evidence that there is an issue that requires this type of regulation, not one U.S. Citizen should have to go through this to exercise their Constitutional right to vote.


HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania (Reuters) - A dozen witnesses testified on Thursday about the hours-long waits, multiple trips and misinformation they experienced in getting the voter ID cards required under a Pennsylvania law that a judge will soon decide whether to block.

[...]

Supporters say the law is aimed at ensuring that only those legally eligible to vote cast ballots. Critics say it is designed to keep minority voters, who typically vote Democratic, away from the polls.

The state of Pennsylvania has acknowledged that there has never been a single case of in-person voter fraud, according to court testimony.

http://news.yahoo.com/ruling-pennsylvania-voter-id-case-could-come-thursday-121741096.html


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 Response 306 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (00:24) * 5 lines 
 
Excuse me, there technically is no Constitutional right to vote, but there are Amendments and other legislation (Voting Rights Act of 1965) prohibiting the denial of voting rights based on gender, age (18 and over), race and sex.

It seems to me that it's a violation of the 14th Amendment, if nothing else.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States"


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 Response 307 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (10:55) * 15 lines 
 
I didn't read the link, Dorine. Busy day.

But let it be clear to our friends in other countries, I DID NOT have to jump through any hoops to get a photo ID card and neither did my 97 yr old mother.No line, everyone courteous etc.

I don't know about Pennsylvania or any other state.

I can only tell you about my own experience. My state has had that reg for several years and no one seems to get upset about it.
We go to the polls, show the card and vote. Just like going through security for boarding a plane, cashing a check.
In some places one has to show a picture ID when using a credit card (TJMAx)

I do know that League of Women Voters advertises that they will give transport to anyone who needs it...for voter registration, ID cards, voting etc.

Nice. Civilized.




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 Response 308 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (12:13) * 2 lines 
 
Changing subject a bit, but since Evelyn brought up Credit Card use, is it correct that all CCs and DCs in the US are still signature based?
In Europe all our cards are chip and pin, which is much more secure, unless you're stupid enough to write your pin on your card in case you forget!


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 Response 309 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (12:27) * 3 lines 
 
Debit cards and ATM cards are PIN-authorized. Credit cards require signatures. There are chips embedded in most cards as well, but that only authenticates the card, not the user. At some stores, however, credit card purchases under certain amounts (like $25) may not even require a signature.

With the new smartphone payment systems, that may be changing. Not sure, as I didn't pay attention when they were used at a recent fundraiser for blind auction purchases.


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 Response 310 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (12:43) * 1 lines 
 
The credit cards in Canada are now pin #cards as well and don't require signatures.


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 Response 311 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (13:02) * 2 lines 
 
Only time a signature can be used in the UK is when the systems are down, Not great if you don't have a good memory.
A bank clerk advised me to change all my cards to the same PIN , which I thought was a bit risky, so I have to make up a little 'story' to remember each number, lol!


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 Response 312 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (15:07) * 6 lines 
 
I use a Visa debit card via my bank, but i request "credit"and have to sign.
I only use a pin at the ATM machines.






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 Response 313 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (15:55) * 13 lines 
 
(Evelyn) I didn't read the link,
Scaredy cat.
Glad you didn't have to jump through hoops. Sorry that others have a less rosy reality outside of yours.


And a timely piece a friend of mine ran across in light of Evelyn's new sweetie announcement.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/netanyahu-feeling-like-trip-to-us-to-start-world-w,29732/


I do the same thing Evelyn does with a debit card re credit card use. Though my little grocery store around the corner only allows that with a $10 minimum purchase. I presume because the Visa fee is bigger than the debit fee per transaction.




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 Response 314 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (15:58) * 70 lines 
 
Statement by Elisabeth MacNamara, President, League of Women Voters US at a Forum Entitled "Excluded from Democracy: The Impact of Recent State Voting Changes"

Thank you Mr. Conyers and member of the committee for holding this discussion which will help focus our nation’s attention on voter suppression legislation that is sweeping this country. The right to vote and have your vote counted is the very foundation of our democracy and today it is under attack.

My name is Elisabeth MacNamara and I am president of the League of Women Voters of the United States. We have over 140,000 members and supporters nationwide, with Leagues in all 50 states and in more than 700 communities across the country. The League has been fighting for equal access to the polls since our inception 91 years ago, when our organization was formed by those who successfully fought to gain the right to vote for women. This year the League actively opposed voter suppression legislation in 21 states – we were successful in protecting the vote in 13 of those states but the remaining states did create new and in some cases insurmountable barriers to the polls.

Today we are experiencing an unprecedented attack on voting rights. This assault on voters is sweeping across the country, state by state, and is one of the greatest self-inflicted threats to our democracy – our way of governing – in our lifetimes. These new laws threaten to silence the voices of those least heard and rarely listened to in this country – the poor, the elderly, racial and ethnic minorities, the young and the differently abled. These new laws require photo ID and or proof of citizenship in order to vote, they restrict third party voter registration drives, decrease early voting and eliminate Election Day registration.

The League of Women Voters opposes these new laws and legislation because:

They risk disenfranchising millions of eligible voters
They will cost millions of dollars to implement
There is no evidence that there is a need for such draconian measures

In 2011 alone we have seen an exponential increase in the number of new voter suppression laws being implemented at the state level:

Eight states (AL, KS, MS, RI, SC, TN, TX and WI) have passed new restrictive photo ID laws.
Three states (AL, KS and TX) passed laws requiring proof of citizenship as a prerequisite to voting.
Two states (FL, TX) have made it more difficult for groups like the League of Women Voters to register voters.
Five states (FL, GA, OH, TN and WV) have passed legislation that would eliminate or shorten the period of early voting.
In addition, we could see new suppression laws passed in Michigan, Ohio, Minnesota, Virginia and Pennsylvania before the 2012 elections.

These laws have added new bricks to the wall of obstacles some face on their way to the ballot box. These laws are confusing, time consuming and cost-prohibitive for many citizens, including some who have been exercising their legal right to vote for decades and are now unsure if they can “jump high enough” to get to the ballot box.

One example comes from Tennessee where Ms. Virginia Lasater, 91 years old, had voted and worked on campaigns for the past 70 years, but when she went to the Tennessee department of motor vehicles to get a photo ID so she could continue to exercise her right to vote, she saw a line of 100 people in front of her, no place to sit, and no assistance from the state workers to accommodate her needs (even after asking for help). She was physically unable to wait that long in line without sitting down and thus, left with no other options; she departed without getting her photo ID.

Women in general and elderly women in particular are being disproportionately harmed by the new laws. In some instances citizens who have been voting for decades are being required to obtain birth certificates (which some elderly people do not have since they were born at home) and their wedding certificates in order to prove who they are. In some states they are faced with a catch 22 – you must have a photo ID in order to obtain a birth certificate and you can’t get a birth certificate without a photo ID. In most cases there are costs associated with getting a birth certificate and marriage license. This becomes more complicated if you were born or married in a state in which you are not currently living. Birth certificates cost between $7 and $30 dollars, depending on the state, and can take up to eight weeks to obtain.

An example of this conundrum is 96-year-old Dorothy Cooper from Chattanooga Tennessee. She was born before women had the right to vote in the U.S. Armed with a plethora of documents including a rent receipt, a copy of her lease, her voter registration card and her birth certificate, Ms. Cooper attempted to obtain a photo ID. However, her birth certificate had her maiden name on it and thus the clerk denied her request for a photo ID. Ms. Cooper, an African American, later stated on MSNBC that she didn’t have any problems voting under the Jim Crow laws.

In Wisconsin, a memo from top Department of Transportation officials came to light showing that although the state will provide photo IDs for free, the individual must specifically ask for the free ID or they will be charged, thus creating yet another barrier for low income individuals.

These new laws do not only target the elderly but young people as well. For example, South Carolina and Texas do not accept student photo IDs issued by state-run universities as valid photo IDs at the polls. It is interesting to note that in Texas they will accept a concealed carry permit for a firearm.

A non-legislative attack on student voting has occurred in Maine. The Secretary of State, Charles Summers, Jr., recently targeted legally registered voters by sending them threatening letters which appeared to be constructed in a way that would dissuade the students from exercising their right to vote. After conducting an investigation that found no instance of illegal voting or registration, Mr. Summers sent a letter to 191 college students warning them that they may be violating Maine’s motor vehicle and election laws by not having their vehicle registered in the state of Maine and/or having a Maine driver’s license. He attached a form to the letter which would allow the students to cancel their voter registration in Maine. He did not include any forms to register their vehicles or apply for a driver’s license. Several voting rights groups have sent a letter to Mr. Summers and have asked for an investigation by the Voting Section and the Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Depart
ent of Justice on possible criminal and civil violations.

A recent study by the Brennan Center for Justice entitled "Voting Law Changes in 2012" shows that as many as five million eligible voters could be disenfranchised by new laws passed in states this past year alone. Photo ID requirements are the most widespread of these restrictive laws and, in conjunction with the other voter suppression laws, represent one of the most serious threats in decades to our efforts to ensure the right of every eligible American to vote.

New photo ID requirements potentially disenfranchise millions of registered voters due to disability, age, illness, transportation, or financial issues. As many as 11 percent of United States citizens, more than 21 million individuals, do not have government-issued photo identification, according to the Brennan Center study. The increased burden will be greatest for citizens for whom the financial cost is prohibitive or who are not able to take off from work, get transportation, or stand in line to apply for documentation. Often these individuals don’t have the underlying documentation that is needed to get an ID. Thus, these requirements, whether by design or happenstance, disenfranchise the very people who currently must work the hardest to vote.

While the League worries most about those who will be disenfranchised by these new restrictive laws, we are also concerned about the fiscal impact of these new government programs on the cash-strapped states. Photo ID requirements are a prime example of wasteful use of taxpayers’ money. For example, new voter ID laws in Missouri and South Carolina could cost their citizens $6 million and $1.3 million respectively, in the first year of implementation alone.

At a time when states are in the midst of an ongoing fiscal crisis, it seems irresponsible to use taxpayer’s money to address an issue that doesn’t exist – voter impersonation at the polls. Our state governments should be in the business of making it easier for citizens to vote, not adding costly restrictions and hassles that will negatively impact voter turnout.

In addition to voter suppression from photo ID requirements, we are also seeing an assault on another front – third party voter registration drives. Just two years ago, the League of Women Voters of Florida, along with other groups, won a lawsuit to overturn an unfair law aimed at penalizing citizens who participate in voter registration drives, including the League's own members. This year the Florida legislature passed a new registration suppression law that requires volunteers to go down to local Supervisors' offices, register by providing detailed personal information, take an oath and be held personally and financially liable if they do not deliver the completed forms back to the Supervisor within 48 hours. Fines will be levied up to $1,000 per person.

The League cannot ask volunteers to take on this significant financial risk if they are late in returning registration forms. Through this law, Florida's politicians have taken aim at voters and the legions of volunteers who have over the past 91 years volunteered their time to register new voters, in the belief that active and informed citizens strengthen our democracy. This law brings back Jim Crow-style tactics to intimidate all Florida voters and volunteers who believe in the democratic process. The League of Women Voters of Florida has suspended their voter registration drives in the state due because of the financial risks associated with the new law.

Organizations such as the League are crucial to assuring that voter registration is available to EVERY voter, but the facts also show conclusively that we are key to assuring that minority voters have access to registration. In 2004, approximately 8.5 percent of registrants had been registered by the efforts of third party organizations, according to the Bureau of the Census. The data also make clear who is impacted by restrictions on third-party voter registration efforts. In 2004, 15 percent of African-American and Hispanic registrants had been registered to vote as a result of an organized drive – a rate much higher than the 8.9 percent rate for Whites.

A third tactic being implemented to suppress voting comes in the form of cutting back early voting period. Thus far, we have seen this in five states (FL, GA, OH, TN and WV).

Early voting has become very popular in the United States. In 2010 over 19 million citizens utilized early voting in their states. Now, Florida and Ohio have specifically targeted their cutback on early voting on Sundays. The greatest impact of this step may be on people of color and Hispanics who tend to vote in proportionately larger numbers on Sundays. Florida has eliminated early voting on the last Sunday before an election and Ohio has eliminated early voting on any Sunday. According to the Brennan Center for Justice, “in the 2008 general election in Florida, 33.2 percent of those who voted early on the last Sunday before Election Day were African American and 23.6 percent were Hispanic, whereas African Americans constituted just 13.4 percent of all early voters for all early voting days, and Hispanics just 11.6 percent.”

The League of Women Voters of the United States calls on state legislatures to repeal and reject the whole range of voter suppression measures. They are costly, unnecessary and undemocratic. If the states are unable or unwilling to protect the rights of every eligible citizen to vote the federal government must step in to ensure these rights are protected.

We call on the Congress and all Americans to join the League in applying pressure on the Department of Justice urging them to deny pre-clearance of these new voter suppression laws in states covered by the Voting Rights Act.

We call on this committee and other members of Congress to join Senator Nelson of Florida in asking the Justice Department to investigate whether these new suppressive voting laws were passed as part of a concerted effort to discourage millions of people from voting in the 2012 presidential election.

We ask for your support in our ongoing efforts to fight back voter suppression legislation and to repeal existing voter suppression laws in the states.

We ask that you continue to conduct investigations into the real-life impact these laws have on citizens and their right to vote.

These new laws threaten to silence the voices of those least heard and rarely listened to in this country – the poor, the elderly, racial and ethnic minorities, the young and the differently abled. Now is the time to act. We must work together to repeal these unjust and prejudicial laws and implement new laws that will lower the barriers to voting and ensure that every eligible citizen will have the ability to vote and have their votes counted.

http://www.lwv.org/content/statement-elisabeth-macnamara-president-lwvus-forum-entitled-excluded-democracy-impact




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 Response 315 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (16:01) * 7 lines 
 
From the LWV/Norman, OK website on voter info and I didn't see anywhere to request transportation to a state ID facility:

State Law requires voters to show `proof of identity' at the polls. Voters may use their Voter Identification Card as proof of identity. Other forms of Identification used to prove identity must be issued by the State of Oklahoma, The Federal Government or a federally recognized Indian Tribe or Nation. Documents, other than a Voter ID card, used for proof of identity must include your name which must match your name on your voter registration record, a photograph of you, and an expiration date that is later than Election Day. Voters over 65 years of age may use their State Identification Card even though it does not have an expiration date.

~~~~~

So, in OK, you do NOT need a state-issued photo ID. My little one that is sent by the Board of Election Commissioners, telling me what districts, wards, precincts, etc., I'm in, would suffice.


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 Response 316 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (22:02) * 0 lines 
 


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 Response 317 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (22:04) * 0 lines 
 


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 Response 318 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sat, Sep 29, 2012 (22:24) * 1 lines 
 
positively profound! ;-)


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 Response 319 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Sep 30, 2012 (17:28) * 14 lines 
 

Really, Karen, you want me to read those long posts?
Hey, girls...this is Sunday!!

We can use any photo ID card. I have a military and driver's license;
if it's a law, I follow it.
Hey, I don't even run through yellow lights;-)

Why be tight-assed about this.
Jeeze.






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 Response 320 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Sep 30, 2012 (17:34) * 2 lines 
 
I'm just thinking what a dull Sunday you two would have w/o me,
LOL.


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 Response 321 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sun, Sep 30, 2012 (19:01) * 5 lines 
 
My Sunday was quite busy at the NYFF. No dull day here. :-)

If you're good to go with your ID, then all's right with the world.




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 Response 322 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sun, Sep 30, 2012 (19:04) * 1 lines 
 
And ha, Karen. :-) For some reason the post (as on the Help topic) was coming out on here formatted in all Italics after my first response. I went over and over the code, couldn't find anything wrong, posted it on the Help topic to work it out where it came out exactly right. I was too tired to deal with it more last night and I've been out since this morning until now, so couldn't deal with it. C'est la vie.


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 Response 323 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Sun, Sep 30, 2012 (19:57) * 4 lines 
 
(Dorine)If you're good to go with your ID, then all's right with the world.





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 Response 324 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Sep 30, 2012 (22:23) * 2 lines 
 
(Evelyn) We can use any photo ID card. I have a military and driver's license;
But you don't even have to show a photo I.D. The posting from the OK League of Women's Voters' site says a voters registration card will suffice.


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 Response 325 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Oct  1, 2012 (09:19) * 3 lines 
 
Not in my precinct.

Think I should camp outside and protest?;-)


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 Response 326 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  1, 2012 (10:14) * 5 lines 
 
It is your state law. No precinct can override state law. Would you like me to find the relevant state act? I'm sure it wouldn't take more than a couple of seconds to Google it.

Here is an easy-to-read visual, showing the requirements by state. There are a few important footnotes, but overall it isn't terribly reading-intensive:

http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx


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 Response 327 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  1, 2012 (10:20) * 7 lines 
 
Here you go:

In addition, voters may use the voter identification card they received by mail from the County Election Board when they registered to vote. The law allows use of the voter identification card even though it does not include a photograph or an expiration date.

If you do not have or if you refuse to show proof of identity, you may only vote by provisional ballot.

http://www.ok.gov/elections/Candidates_&_Elections/Facts_about_Proof_of_Identity_for_Voting_in_Oklahoma/


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 Response 328 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Mon, Oct  1, 2012 (16:06) * 4 lines 
 
I'm off to get my pup-tent;-)
Thanks.




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 Response 329 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  1, 2012 (16:27) * 3 lines 
 
No need. I've notified the Board of Election Commissioners about the overzealous people in your precinct (#163), who are in voilation of the law, as well as Tulsa World, which came out against the ballot initiative.

You don't have to thank me. I know how much you value the law and individual rights and would have done this yourself. ;-)


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 Response 330 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Mon, Oct  1, 2012 (19:41) * 1 lines 
 
Thank you, Karen! Not a great day at work and I was in serious need of a good laugh today.


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 Response 331 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Oct  2, 2012 (10:31) * 19 lines 
 
Judge halts Pa.'s strict new voter ID law
Last Updated 10:46 a.m. ET

HARRISBURG, Pa. A judge postponed Pennsylvania's controversial voter identification requirement on Tuesday, ordering the state not to enforce it in this year's presidential election.

The decision by Commonwealth Court Judge Robert Simpson on the law requiring each voter to show a valid photo ID could be appealed to the state Supreme Court. The law could go into full effect next year, under Simpson's ruling.
However, Simpson based his decision on guidelines given to him days ago by the high court justices, and it could easily be the final word on the law just five weeks before the Nov. 6 election.

His ruling came after listening to two days of testimony about the state's eleventh-hour efforts to make it easier to get a valid photo ID. He also heard about long lines and ill-informed clerks at driver's license centers and identification requirements that made it hard for some registered voters to get a state-issued photo ID.

"While we're happy that voters in Pennsylvania will not be turned away if they do not have an ID, we are concerned that the ruling will allow election workers to ask for ID at the polls and this could cause confusion, said Penda D. Hair, co-director of the Washington, D.C.-based Advancement Project. "This injunction serves as a mere Band-Aid for law's inherent problems, not an effective remedy."

The 6-month-old law — now among the nation's toughest — has sparked a divisive debate over voting rights and become a high-profile political issue in the contest between President Barack Obama, a Democrat, and Republican nominee Mitt Romney, for Pennsylvania's prized 20 electoral votes.

More here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57524290/judge-halts-pa.s-strict-new-voter-id-law/




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 Response 332 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Tue, Oct  2, 2012 (13:01) * 1 lines 
 
Can't wait until the US election is over. I'm so sick of it and I don't even live there. Of course, regardless of who wins, the propaganda, partisan bickering and defamatory BS will resume almost immediately and any issues of importance (outsourcing, jobs, the environment, health care, education, infrastructure, illegal wars and military expenditure) will be ignored as usual. The two party system is impractical with little chance of cooperation and conciliation and all they do lately is block each other with no concern for the citizenry but with emphasis on the rich getting richer and the quest for power. Just my opinion as an outside observer. Such is the dirty, (I should say disgustingly filthy), realm of politics.


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 Response 333 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct  2, 2012 (16:54) * 2 lines 
 
Can this law not be overturned at a national level? Or must each state deal with it individually?



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 Response 334 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Tue, Oct  2, 2012 (18:08) * 1 lines 
 
Each state makes their own voter ID laws.


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 Response 335 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Tue, Oct  2, 2012 (20:03) * 4 lines 
 
While yr at the Mrs Goodytwoshoes mode ask Medicare why some of theirposting dre ask for ID pictures Posting from Atablet I.m still not used to
OFF to Chicago Tribune ;-)




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 Response 336 of 542: Evelyn   (lafn) * Tue, Oct  2, 2012 (20:19) * 1 lines 
 
LOL Classy broads u is


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 Response 337 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Tue, Oct  2, 2012 (20:27) * 1 lines 
 
Is there a translator in the house for Evelyn's post #335? And 336 while at it?


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 Response 338 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Wed, Oct  3, 2012 (09:43) * 1 lines 
 
To put things into perspective, only 4 states now require photo ID when voting—IN, KS, GA, and TN. PA would have been the 5th, but that’s been overturned. 4 others proposed laws that were overturned. To me, that shows the system works; you don’t like something, you work to change it. So, that’s where it stands for the upcoming presidential election. But the efforts won’t end for the future, IMO .


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 Response 339 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Oct  3, 2012 (15:24) * 4 lines 
 
Lightening things up:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2MK841G552A2D/ref=cm_pdp_rev_title_2?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview#RMSBINADT0S6S
I laughed till I cried!
(If you think it inappopriate Karen, please delete).


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 Response 340 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Oct  3, 2012 (17:10) * 1 lines 
 
Janet, I don't "host" this conference and have no say over what gets posted.


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 Response 341 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Oct  3, 2012 (17:12) * 1 lines 
 
Of course, should have realised that.


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 Response 342 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Wed, Oct  3, 2012 (22:03) * 8 lines 
 
Ha, yes, that's great!

Reminds me of something I wanted to post, but it's bookmarked on my phone. I'll put it on here one of these days.




I hope Obama shows up to the next debate. And I hope Romney takes some quaaludes and stops lying for the next debate.


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 Response 343 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Wed, Oct  3, 2012 (22:04) * 1 lines 
 
I'd say other than porn, almost anything's acceptable here.


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 Response 344 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Oct  4, 2012 (11:48) * 1 lines 
 
That was painful to watch. Not only because I was screaming at the screen, 'nail him' on so many things that Romney said but also Romney looked like an attack dog on a leash who could barely stand still because there's some raw meat in sight.


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 Response 345 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Thu, Oct  4, 2012 (12:22) * 3 lines 
 
I thought Obama was playing the "give him enough rope and he'll hang himself" method. Romney has reversed himself on everything to look good for the public because he already has convinced his entrenched supporters. What he really thinks is picked up inadvertently by live microphones when talking to his base. Suddenly education is vital while previously if you can't afford it tough, and teachers are freeloaders. He reversed himself on tax cuts and deficit spending. He thinks the middle class earns $250,000 a year. I wish!Obama let him ramble on. If he started "liar, liar pants on fire" or "oh yeah" the debate would have denigrated to a childish fiasco which is likely what the Republicans hoped for to blow Obama's controlled image. Obama seems to hope the uncommitted would use their brains, check facts and realize Romney was lying. Obama was more diplomatic and gracious while Romney did look like an attack dog. Romney relies on public ignorance and Obama on public intelligence. Hope it works. Romney's aggres
ive, snake oil salesman attitude and perpetual gaffes made him look foolish abroad. The world wants and needs more diplomacy and less aggression from the US right now, not more. The Bush era tactics made a lot of enemies. As for the economy, I feel the point was obviously and eloquently made just by giving tha fact that Republicans left major deficits so why on earth would they return to their policies. I also didn't like Romney's reference to the XL pieline since most Canadians are against it. Romney also mocked green energy so we know his opinion on that.
I guess I should shut up since I'm a foreigner but the US effects everybody so we have a stake in this too. Our leaders here currently suck too!


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 Response 346 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Oct  4, 2012 (15:43) * 9 lines 
 
(Karen) That was painful to watch. Not only because I was screaming at the screen, 'nail him' on so many things that Romney said but also Romney looked like an attack dog on a leash who could barely stand still because there's some raw meat in sight.
Agree with the first part and LOL! at the apt analogy of the second part. Completely amazing also how Lehrer got steamrolled over by him.

(Linda) I thought Obama was playing the "give him enough rope and he'll hang himself" method.
I heard that a couple of times last night as possibilities, but can't agree. He looked exhausted and sounded unsure of what he wanted to say much of the time. Now, I'm almost certain we won't see *that* Obama again.
And yes, while Romney was blustery and ran roughshod over everyone getting out what he wanted to say and looked and sounded confident doing it, can't ignore the fact that he spouted some incredible bs as well. Style over substance I said last night.

Romney relies on public ignorance and Obama on public intelligence.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, lowest common denominator and all...


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 Response 347 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Oct  4, 2012 (15:45) * 1 lines 
 
......and frankly, it pains to admit, it is a smart strategy on Romney's part.


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 Response 348 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Thu, Oct  4, 2012 (15:50) * 5 lines 
 
Ha, this is apropos. I left here and immediately ran across a link to a blog I read at times speaking to the public ignorance vs intelligence concept...

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/qotd-michael-moore-unearths-doozy.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter




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 Response 349 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Thu, Oct  4, 2012 (19:28) * 1 lines 
 
So true in that Moore blog. If it works, just lie. Few can be bothered to fact check and likely even fewer have followed all along to notice the change in positions. An electorate gets the government it deserves. If they don't learn from history or investigate the claims they vote indiscriminately and get what they deserve. Politicians rely on that and it usually gets the desired results. That unguarded comment picked up at the fundraising amply illustrates Moneys disdain for the public! Even my tablet keeps putting in "money" instead of you know who so it is smarter than most voters. LOL. The computers are taking over. Obama better pick up the pace.


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 Response 350 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct  5, 2012 (10:58) * 4 lines 
 
Saw first part of the debate before I headed to bed.
Seems to me Romney is all style and no substance-very smooth, but a wee bit creepu tbh.
Obama didn't seem very comfortable, although maybe he improved as the debate went on?



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 Response 351 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct  5, 2012 (14:37) * 3 lines 
 

Love it!



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 Response 352 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sat, Oct  6, 2012 (12:50) * 3 lines 
 
The concept of what an opinion is and what having one means has come up here once in a while. I ran across this today and can't agree more. Especially as I've said more than once during a debate, one's not entitled to an opinion, one's entitled to an informed opinion. Now, as he says, that wouldn't apply to things like flavor preferences. They are what they are. The article's focus is mostly on scientific/policy opinions, but it can apply almost anywhere.

http://theconversation.edu.au/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978


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 Response 353 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  8, 2012 (11:16) * 8 lines 
 
(Linda) A current example would be the movie "Argo" about the Iran hostage crisis. According the the movie, the CIA operative, Tony Mendez, was almost wholly responsible for the escape of 6 of the American hostages. He was in Iran for one and a half days whereas Canadian diplomats hid and protected them for months and provided the bulk of the work to get them out. Ken Taylor and John Sheardown put their lives at risk on site in Tehran. False stories like this sink into the consciousness of the public. Thus inaccurate "mythology" as written by one man vs the details described by many becomes fact and is eventually taught as truth. The same with the capture of the Enigma code by the British, not the US.
Have you already seen the movie "Argo"? On CBS Sunday Morning, there was a promotional/background piece about the movie, which had interviews with Mendez, Affleck and several of the actual hostages. No one minimized the role of the Canadians, who were not only cited for their bravery in harboring the Americans but also for taking the "sole official" credit because it would have meant death for the other Americans being held if the Iranians learned the CIA had been in country.

Mendez was asked if it bothered him even now that his role had been kept secret for decades and he was quite nonchalant, i.e., it was his job, one that required him to keep a low profile.

As for how movies portray things inaccurately, that has always been a pet peeve of mine. But they don't limit it to historical facts. Look at how movies often distort novels!

It is unfortunate that many people will take events shown in movies as the gospel truth or an accurate representation of actual events. The Enigma business was laughable and mentioned in so many reviews. I felt embarrassed that an American film would sink that low as to distort history and of such a significant event to the war.


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 Response 354 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  8, 2012 (11:44) * 6 lines 
 
Here is a link to the article in the Toronto Star:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1267937--argo-film-gives-former-canadian-ambassador-ken-taylor-chance-to-set-the-record-straight





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 Response 355 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Oct  8, 2012 (11:55) * 1 lines 
 
Hi Karen. No doubt Mendez had a clandestine and important role. It's the distortion and omission of the role of others that is sad. Unfortunately, some retelling of events is where inaccuracies can be ingrained in the psyche causing some distortion of truth. That's why I mentioned Zihn's book. He revealed sources of such distortions in American history but ALL nations cover up the "naughty bits" as Monty Python would say.


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 Response 356 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  8, 2012 (12:09) * 9 lines 
 
Naturally I have read the article on Taylor and what transpired in Iran. That was very interesting about the mistakes in the US-produced documentation and that the Canadian government did supply replacements and were actively involved in vetting other exfiltration scenarios. That did not come across in the CBS piece.

I haven't seen the movie or read Mendez' book. From what I remember, the US intelligence services at that time were dismal. But the important thing is that I don't confuse movies with history. Much as I loved historical fiction (Irving Stone and others) growing up, I always knew they were fiction.

It's the distortion and omission of the role of others that is sad.
It's a movie, not a documentary used for educational purposes.

That's why I mentioned Zihn's book. He revealed sources of such distortions in American history
And from those we learn...er, what?


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 Response 357 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Oct  8, 2012 (12:25) * 5 lines 
 
"He revealed sources of such distortions in American history."
"And from those we learn....er, what?"
We learn from the people alive at the time, first hand, that not everything we think we know about ourselves is really true. We also learn that the BS politicians tell us is often very distorted, eg WMD's in Iraq. As a result of that, how many Americans and Iraqis died? In addition we learn about subterfuge in political platforms, especially important during election years, so we don't swallow the same BS again. Those are all good things. You know, the old "If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it" scenario. If history is inaccurate we aren't learning its true lessons.
I reread the Star posting you provided and there were a lot of nasty comments on it. GAWD! Canadians are a bit touchy on that subject.
Don't want to get too political here and make enemies!!!!


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 Response 358 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct  8, 2012 (12:44) * 7 lines 
 
We learn from the people alive at the time, first hand, that not everything we think we know about ourselves is really true.
But it wouldn't change anything.

You know, the old "If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it" scenario. If history is inaccurate we aren't learning its true lessons.
For the most part, the people who are perpetrating these frauds, aggressive actions under the cover of patriotism, etc., know their history and are well-educated. Santayana's quote is facile and meaningless IMO.




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 Response 359 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Oct  8, 2012 (17:01) * 1 lines 
 
You're absolutely right Karen. People who know the frauds often twist the truth to their advantage. Canada has a lot to be ashamed of like residential school treatment of the natives and such. I had to learn about shameful things in our past much later in life. I find it amazing in this day and age that some people think humans co-existed with dinosaurs. There's garbage that some people have been taught and actually believe. It seems ODB, son of a history teacher, is impressed with Zinn's history of the US. Methinks he leans pretty far left as do I in many things. Anyway, cheers for now.


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 Response 360 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sat, Oct 13, 2012 (06:55) * 2 lines 
 
She should have been jailed!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216735/South-Africa-schoolteacher-fined-police-catch-19-CHILDREN-tiny-hatchback--including-boot.html#socialLinks


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 Response 361 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sat, Oct 13, 2012 (12:40) * 1 lines 
 
Good lord! Only fined the equivalent of $100?! If this was her second trip, did she leave these 19 kids alone at the burger bar, while the first 12 were transported?


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 Response 362 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 14, 2012 (13:29) * 2 lines 
 
Just watched Felix Baumgartner break the world record for the highest/fastest sky dive, from the edge of the atmosphere.
Nail-biting stuff!


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 Response 363 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Sun, Oct 14, 2012 (22:09) * 1 lines 
 
I was a little worried when Baumgartner started tumbling. I thought maybe he was unconscious. He has bigger cajones than I do (not like that's a surprise)!


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 Response 364 of 542: Sandy  (sandyw) * Mon, Oct 15, 2012 (14:59) * 3 lines 
 
I see in the news that the leaders of the UK and Scotland have struck a deal on a referendum on Scottish independence. I wondered how this is being perceived by our droolers in the UK?

Canada has been through a couple of referendums with Quebec seeking independence. It was a very polarizing and divisive process for the whole country.


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 Response 365 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Oct 15, 2012 (15:09) * 6 lines 
 
Many people in Scotland are in favour in principle, but the two main parties in the UK, Labour and Conservative, are promoting the union, and scaring Scots into thinking we couldn't make it on our own.
The McCrone Report, commissioned by, and then quickly buried by the Conservative government is the 1970s, says otherwise.
The situation in the UK is quite unusual, in that we have four separate countries united and governed from London, with many believing that we don't get a fair deal within the UK.
I am in favour of an independent Scotland.




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 Response 366 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Oct 15, 2012 (21:24) * 5 lines 
 
I feel Quebec's perpetual threats are a pain. They know we'll kiss their butt to keep them happy. As a result, they get more transfer payments than any other province. It's like a giant vaccuum cleaner sucking in our dollars. French is the sole language allowed in public (signs, etc.) while the rest of the country is obligated to provide bilingual services. The tail wags the dog. I don't care if Quebecois wish to speak French. If I go there I speak French as best I can and most people are grateful for the attempt. I also find a lot of the younger ones listen to satellite tv and English music so I think it's just a minority of agitators and I don't think the PQ gets elected for purposes of separation but as an alternative to other parties on other issues. If they leave they still want all the benefits of Canada. The referendum has been voted down twice. If they decide to go it divides the country down the middle isolating the Maritimes from the rest. If Quebec goes Canada needs to impose the British North Am
rica Act which is still on the books. It deeds all land drained by rivers to Hudson Bay (Ruperts Land) to Canada. Quebec would end up a little strip along the St. Lawrence. Don't think they would like that. They previously tried to claim Labrador from Newfoundland and that didn't work either.
As for Scotland, I think the situation is much different. Scotland doesn't suck the UK dry like Quebec does Canada. They would also not be dividing a country down the middle. I don't know which side of the fence I would be on for the Scots because I truly don't know all their grievances but their independence wouldn't be as damaging to the UK as that of Quebec to Canada.




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 Response 367 of 542: felicity beaver  (felicityb) * Tue, Oct 16, 2012 (02:27) * 27 lines 
 
I haven't made my mind up about Scottish independence..not that I have to. But if I hear William Wallace's name mentioned in the same breath again I will go up to the border and build a great big brick wall. Whenever a politician says something is an historical day I have to wonder how they know.

Two letters in the Telegraph(naturally)and then the some from the Herald for balance.
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The English cannot count on a reduction in their tax burden being brought about by the possible secession of Scotland from the Union.

The track record of this and previous administrations would indicate that the Scottish levy would merely be replaced by an equal, or even greater contribution in the form of foreign aid
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Alex Salmond has missed a golden opportunity for a decisive vote in favour of independence. He should have insisted the English take part in the referendum.
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This really puts Milibands "One Nation " slogan in it's place.
He, and I take it the rest of the Labour Party surely must see that in the ,"United Kingdom"(sic) we have had two Countries a Province and a Principality.
If they don't know then surely someone should tell them.
As for A Darling telling me "There is no way back"
I had no intention of ketting a return ticket.
At least now I have a vote, unlike the poor souls who were sold out in the 1700's
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An excellent opportunity to debate. Now we need to hear what a No vote means.
Trident on the Clyde ?
War with Iran ?
In or out of the EU ?
5 more years of the Tories ?
Boom or Bust ?
Tuition Fees ?
Prescription Charges ?
So many unanswered questions .



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 Response 368 of 542: PeggyM  (PeggyM) * Tue, Oct 16, 2012 (04:35) * 8 lines 
 
I would be very happy to lose the Scottish MPs whose presence makes a huge difference to the political balance between the parties at Westminster, but I can see there would be many problems. Here is an extract from an article Jeremy Warner wrote in the Telegraph last week:

it is the monetary arrangements that are the most problematic, and which are the real Achilles’ heel in the economic case for separation.
Scottish nationalists were once minded to think the solution lay in joining the euro. If your monetary policy has previously been delegated to London, what’s so bad about delegating it to Frankfurt instead? The euro crisis has made Salmond think again, and now the favoured approach is to remain part of the sterling area, at least for the time being. To put it mildly, to vote for fiscal and political separation, but for the continuation of monetary union with England, Wales and Northern Ireland, is a contradiction in terms. If there is one thing we have learnt from Europe’s experiment in monetary union, it is that it won’t work unless accompanied by fiscal union and political federalism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9602126/Scottish-independence-Why-would-Scotland-turn-itself-into-Greece.html




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 Response 369 of 542: Sandy  (sandyw) * Tue, Oct 16, 2012 (11:53) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks ladies for shedding some light on the independance discussion for me. It seems there are many similarities with the Canada/Quebec situation.


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 Response 370 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 16, 2012 (18:05) * 3 lines 
 
Peggy, if you lose the Scottish MPs at independence, the Labour Party would never be elected again!:-)
There is only one Conservative MP in Scotland-you can see they're a popular party north of the border!
Current party membership in Scotland is around 10,000.


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 Response 371 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 16, 2012 (20:15) * 2 lines 
 
Love it!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bodyform-apologise-to-disgruntled-boyfriend-with-hilarious-1382154


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 Response 372 of 542: PeggyM  (PeggyM) * Wed, Oct 17, 2012 (02:29) * 3 lines 
 

Peggy, if you lose the Scottish MPs at independence, the Labour Party would never be elected again!:-)
That was really what I meant.


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 Response 373 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Oct 17, 2012 (04:43) * 1 lines 
 
Oh the joys-Cameron and Co in power for ever, lol!


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 Response 374 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Wed, Oct 17, 2012 (21:00) * 1 lines 
 
I found the Telegraph article quite good. It would be unwieldy keeping the same currency as the rest of the UK without the current political unity. Just as with Quebec wanting to use our dollar, if Quebec tanked, what would Canada's responsibility to them be and would it destroy the value of our currency? Going to the Euro would be IMHO, disastrous, especially right now. The Eurozone has so many countries of disparate natures that it just doesn't seem to promise to ever work. I know the Scots are proud and have always considered themselves distinct and often repressed but in modern times I'm not sure if it's for the best to divide ourselves over the past but rather advocate for the future. Lordy, the French lost at the Plains of Abraham centuries ago and have done very well in Canada. Perhaps Westminster hasn't been nearly as generous to the Scots as Ottawa has been to the French Canadians. Are there other ways of the Scots getting demands met? Maybe I'm unrealistic.


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 Response 375 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (14:21) * 3 lines 
 
This is terrible. Deliberate 'hit and run' van driver in Cardiff. Just heard a 32 year old woman has been killed. There are no words for the low life whom did this. My heart goes out to the family and friends.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-20009426


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 Response 376 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (14:24) * 1 lines 
 
Dreadful news. A child has been injured too. Happened around the time of the school runs:-((


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 Response 377 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (15:07) * 2 lines 
 
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/10/19/massive-police-operation-following-hit-and-run-reports-in-west-of-cardiff-91466-32066494/
Terrible targeting of mothers with their children.


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 Response 378 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (15:09) * 3 lines 
 
One can't comprehend what gets into the mind of people whom commit such terrible atrocities. I don't have much faith in the justice system these days either. It mostly protects the criminal or deranged rather than the victim.

From the news tonight the Police are now turning the Jimmy Savile abuse claims into a criminal investigation. Not before time, IMO. They say they are following lines of enquiry re abuse claims relating to some living celebs! Freddie Star's name was/is in the frame. I wonder whom else!


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 Response 379 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (15:11) * 1 lines 
 
Relieved all OK with you and yours, Lesley.


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 Response 380 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (15:35) * 4 lines 
 
Another reason why Westminster doesn't want Scotland to leave the union:

25 miles north-west from Glasgow lies Her Majesty’s Naval Base Clyde. It's the largest military establishment in Scotland and home to the UK's entire nuclear arsenal.
And therefore target for enemies:-((


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 Response 381 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (15:50) * 1 lines 
 
Oh how awful. My heart goes out to the families of the victims.


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 Response 382 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (15:57) * 5 lines 
 
The system is crazy at times. A man admits to a double murder, leads the police to the bodies, but cannot be charged with the second murder because the police didn't take him straight to the station and allow him contact with his lawyer when requested.
Where is the justice for the poor girl's family?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19988242




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 Response 383 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (17:14) * 1 lines 
 
How awful about the hit and run murder and injuries. Has any info been released about the guy charged?


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 Response 384 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (17:34) * 3 lines 
 
The 31 year old driver of the van has been arrested. To clarify, the van in question is a delivery vehicle, rather than a passenger one.
The poor woman who died was dragged under the vehicle and it was witnessed by her three children, who I imagine she'd be collecting from school.
How awful not only to lose your mother, but to witness the full horror of it!


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 Response 385 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (17:58) * 2 lines 
 
Children seem to have been the major targets.
There has been an appeal from the hospital for blood donors.


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 Response 386 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (18:04) * 1 lines 
 
I meant to add, in view of the trouble in getting a conviction, [post 382] I think the police are being extremely careful in the details being released of the murderer [my description not theirs.]


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 Response 387 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (18:10) * 10 lines 
 
Cardiff hit-and-runs: NHS appeals for blood donors
Last updated Fri 19 Oct 2012
UK Cardiff Ely Leckwith


There has been a major incident in Cardiff which has resulted in a request for extra O- blood to be provided to help the local trauma unit. If you are O- and able to walk in into one our sessions this weekend please do so.

To find the nearest session go onto blood.co.uk and put your postcode into the session searcher or give us a ring on 0300 123 23 23

– NHS BLOOD DONATION


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 Response 388 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (18:26) * 7 lines 
 
Lesley, does that blood donor request only apply to the Cardiff area or nationwide?

Oh My, how absolutely awful for the children to witness their Mother being dragged under and the carnage.

Then there is the poor Doctor whom lost his entire family of 5 earlier this week in a house fire.

It's been a dire week for the UK. There are now words.


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 Response 389 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (18:53) * 3 lines 
 
(Sue)Then there is the poor Doctor whom lost his entire family of 5 earlier this week in a house fire.
It was initially thought the fire was suspicious, but now the authorities think it started in the lounge.



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 Response 390 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (19:10) * 2 lines 
 
I read the same, Janet. Makes one wonder what could have caused such a ferocious and intense fire. Also weird a nearby neighbours car was alight, unless a straw ember ignited the car, but I would have thought it unlikely.
I have little confidence in Essex Police to get to the bottom of it.


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 Response 391 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (19:10) * 1 lines 
 
I meant stray ember.


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 Response 392 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (19:28) * 1 lines 
 
Just read the article. Horrible! The one statement is rather stupid ... several sites but question whether the action was "deliberate or reckless"? Come on!


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 Response 393 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (19:28) * 2 lines 
 
The added complication is that the family are Islamic, which has caused further speculation in some quarters.
Tragic, whatever the reason.


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 Response 394 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (19:33) * 1 lines 
 
The fire investigation found no trace of accelerant. Police said earlier on my local news they hadn't ruled out the theory a previous occupant could have been the target as the Shakoor family has only just moved into the house. Extremely sad.


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 Response 395 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (19:44) * 2 lines 
 
I think the blood donor appeal is to the South Wales area.
From another website [a Cardiff City football one - the Stadium is adjacent to where one of the atrocities took place] I read that the phones were constantly engaged and people were being asked to go to their local transfusion centre on Saturday.


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 Response 396 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Fri, Oct 19, 2012 (20:13) * 3 lines 
 
No truth in rumours of blood shortages at UHW. However the offers of support are very much appreciated - follow it up and give blood on Mon.

This [above] from the hospital.


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 Response 397 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Oct 22, 2012 (09:52) * 3 lines 
 
Wasn't sure whether to put this here or O&Es.
Unbelievable that this man has been allowed to do this in an SSSI (Site of Specific Scientific Interest), unique in Scotland.
http://www.youvebeentrumped.com/youvebeentrumped.com/THE_MOVIE.html


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 Response 398 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Mon, Oct 22, 2012 (19:50) * 1 lines 
 
Trump is a PIG! He's an arrogant megalomaniac. He destroyed pristine seashore and displaced people who lived in the area for generations to build a golf course and then had the nerve to complain about "ugly" wind turbines offshore. Maybe he was afraid they would muss his lovely hairdo!


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 Response 399 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (02:15) * 2 lines 
 
I couldn't agree more Linda. The way he talks about the locals he's trying to force off the land they've lived on for generations is beyond belief!
I think he must have been lining pockets for this project to have gone through.:-(


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 Response 400 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (11:17) * 3 lines 
 
Re: Jimmy Savile. Anyone watch the grilling of Enwistle by MP's Culture, media and sports committee, today? Too bad I missed the full version rather than various news items edited down. At least watched the original ITV programme and caught up with the Panorama and Newsnight programmes from last night.

I always had a hunch all was not right with that guy. Too bad so many witnesses were too fearful of being disbelieved and/or sued, to come forward whilst the scumbag was alive.


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 Response 401 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (12:03) * 2 lines 
 
(Janet) I think he must have been lining pockets for this project to have gone through.:-(
I saw the guy who made the documentary on our television awhile ago and I believe that is in fact the case.


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 Response 402 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (12:26) * 1 lines 
 
I always found Savile over the top and repulsive.


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 Response 403 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (12:45) * 1 lines 
 
Me thinks far more than Savile's abuse will eventually be revealed.


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 Response 404 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (12:47) * 2 lines 
 
What makes his actions all the more grotesque is he picked upon some of the most mentally and physically vulnerable in society. But then, that is the usual actions of an abuser.



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 Response 405 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (13:21) * 6 lines 
 
Karen, what astonishes me is that the First Minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond, in whose constituency the resort was built, overturned the local authority's rejection of the plans. What did Trump promise? I think it may have been employment for locals, which didn't happen. As is often the case, outside contractors did the work.

I agree Sue. The inference on last night's documentary was that a paedophile ring was operating within the BBC, but from what I'd read on the net long before these allegation came to light, his abuse went far beyond what has been revealed thus far.
He had access to the mortuaries at the hospitals he was involved in:-(((




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 Response 406 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (13:51) * 3 lines 
 
(Janet)He had access to the mortuaries at the hospitals he was involved in:-(((

Are you implying what I think you are? OMG


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 Response 407 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (14:34) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, in fact just read that Paul Gambaccini revealed all on Radio Five Live this morning, and Nicky Campbell was trying to play down what he was saying because it hasn't been discussed before-that's opening up a real can of worms!:-((


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 Response 408 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (15:00) * 1 lines 
 
OMG! I am truly shocked and grossed out. If true, then there were no depths to which Savile would sink?


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 Response 409 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (15:07) * 1 lines 
 
Apparently not!


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 Response 410 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (15:07) * 3 lines 
 
This from the Daily Mail. I already read where a top wig at Granada warned a friend to not let her young daughter anywhere near Savile.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221922/Jimmy-Savile-necrophiliac-says-colleague-Paul-Gambaccini.html


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 Response 411 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (16:49) * 1 lines 
 
Savile.....YUUUCCCCHHHHHH!


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 Response 412 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (17:07) * 4 lines 
 
It seems David Icke isn't as crazy as he's been made out to be-he's been talking about Savile and his friends in high places for years.
If all that he says turns out to be true, this will be the scandal of the century.
Don't want to name names here, but some of those mentioned are truly shocking:-(



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 Response 413 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (17:22) * 1 lines 
 
I am curious would a google search of David Icke find those names, Janet?


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 Response 414 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (17:43) * 3 lines 
 
Sue, Google Jimmy Savile paedophile procurer, and you should find some surprising names:-(
Someone even speculating that Jill Dando was executed because of what she knew.
Of course, this could just be a far-fetched theory.


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 Response 415 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (18:16) * 1 lines 
 
I found a Griffin report which came up with some shocking names. I understand why you may be reluctant to 'name names' but am I on the right track?


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 Response 416 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (18:30) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, all the way to the top:-(


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 Response 417 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Oct 23, 2012 (18:37) * 2 lines 
 
Crikey! I couldn't work out whether a couple of, lets say,'household fvourites' were implicated or had innocent connections with Savile. Quite shocking if the former re those two bachelors.will read more of the report tomorrow. I sense a major cover up in some form or other.Thanks Janet.a



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 Response 418 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Oct 24, 2012 (09:02) * 5 lines 
 
Seems he holds no sway at the BBC at least.

Donald Trump Tries To Stop BBC Airing Doc:
Lawyers for Donald Trump reached out to the BBC two days before it was set to air Anthony Baxter’s documentary You’ve Been Trumped about the real estate mogul’s alleged bullying of residents near his golf resort in Scotland. The attorneys were trying to stop Sunday night’s BBC Two broadcast, claiming it was highly defamatory, biased and misleading, according to The Guardian. The Trump organization threatened to complain directly to British regulator Ofcom if the screening went ahead. But the BBC showed the doc anyway to about 1.1M viewers. The letter from Trump’s reps had also asked for a right of reply at the end of the broadcast. Trump International Golf Links exec VP, Sarah Malone, told The Guardian: “We totally denounce the BBC for further abandoning its own editorial integrity by blatantly refusing us a right of reply at the end of the broadcast.” Picking up on the unfolding – and unrelated – turmoil at the BBC, she added, “It just goes to show that recent criticism of the BBC’s lack of sound editorial
judgment to be correct.” In reply, the BBC issued a statement: “You’ve Been Trumped is an award-winning film that has been screened at festivals around the world. During the making of the film, Donald Trump declined the opportunity to take part. We are confident that Donald Trump was offered sufficient right to reply in accordance with BBC Editorial Guidelines. Donald Trump chose not to participate but the filmmaker took care to reflect his views on a number of different occasions in the film.”


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 Response 419 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Oct 24, 2012 (10:27) * 58 lines 
 
Ourtage over the BBC-Savile thing apparently has spread here. Saw this this morning:

BBC scandal raises questions for incoming NYT boss
By RAPHAEL SATTER | Associated Press

LONDON (AP) — The child abuse scandal that has enveloped one of Britain's most respected news organizations is now hitting one of America's, as the incoming president of The New York Times is on the defensive about his final days as head of the BBC.

Mark Thompson was in charge of the BBC in late 2011 when the broadcaster shelved what would have been a bombshell investigation alleging that the late Jimmy Savile, one of its biggest stars, was a serial sex offender.

The BBC scandal has horrified Britain with revelations that Savile, a popular children's television presenter, cajoled and coerced vulnerable teens into having sex with him in his car, in his camper van, and even in dingy dressing rooms on BBC premises.

Police say there could be more than 200 victims, leading one child protection charity to state that Savile could rank among Britain's most prolific child sex predators.

In a sign of how the scandal may spread, the BBC said Tuesday it was looking into claims of sexual abuse and harassment against nine other current and former employees and contributors.

As increasing numbers of BBC executives come under the microscope over what they knew about Savile — and why the posthumous expose about his sexual crimes was blocked — Thompson is being quizzed about his role as well.

In a letter to Conservative lawmaker Rob Wilson, Thompson laid out his defense, saying he never worked with Savile, never worked on any of the entertainer's programs and indeed never met the man. Referring to the increasing number of BBC employees who have come forward to say that Savile's interest in young girls was widely rumored, Thompson said he had never been aware of the whispers.

"If I had, I would have raised them with senior colleagues and contacted the police," said Thompson, 55.

The controversy was compounded when it emerged that an investigation into Savile by the BBC's "Newsnight" program was shelved last year only weeks before the BBC aired a glowing holiday tribute show to Savile.

Now journalists and lawmakers are asking whether BBC bosses canned the show to protect their star, a prodigious charity fundraiser who was widely eulogized following his death last year at age 84.

The corporation denies a cover-up, although "Newsnight" editor Peter Rippon recently stepped down as the BBC's internal investigation got under way. After weeks of standing by Rippon, the BBC has said his explanation about why the Savile show was not broadcast was incomplete and inaccurate.

With Thompson about to move from one of the most important jobs in the British media to one of most important jobs in American journalism, exactly what he knew — and when he knew it —could be critical to his future career.

In a statement last week, Thompson said he had "never heard any allegations or received any complaints" about Savile during his time as BBC director-general, from 2004 to 2012.

But an Oct. 7 story by London's Sunday Times appeared to contradict him, reporting that a BBC journalist had tipped Thompson off about the Savile investigation.

The Sunday Times is published by News International, an arm of Rupert Murdoch's global News Corp. empire, and has no corporate ties to The New York Times.

Thompson acknowledged being warned about what was happening at "Newsnight" by a BBC journalist during a company cocktail reception late last year, but he said the journalist never "set out what allegations 'Newsnight' were investigating or had been investigating."

Thompson said he followed the matter up with other executives who told him the "Newsnight" investigation was canceled on journalistic grounds — suggesting that they believed there wasn't enough evidence or news interest for an expose on Savile.

"I had no reason to believe that anyone in the BBC was withholding controversial or incriminating material," Thompson wrote in his letter to Wilson, the lawmaker.

Wilson told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he has written to Thompson again seeking more answers.

"There are questions about how much the journalist told him about the 'Newsnight' investigation that need to be cleared up as quickly as possible," Wilson said, adding that Thompson said he is willing to answer questions before the parliamentary committee looking into the matter and the BBC's own inquiry.

He said Thompson's fitness to serve as The New York Times chief depends on the outcome of the various inquiries.

Those inquiries have drawn the attention of The New York Times' public editor, Margaret Sullivan, who on Tuesday asked Times readers to evaluate the incoming chief's answers.

"How likely is it that he knew nothing?" she asked. "A director general of a giant media company is something like a newspaper's publisher. Would a publisher be very likely to know if an investigation of one of its own people on sexual abuse charges had been killed?"

In a carefully worded paragraph that followed, she raised the issue of Thompson's fitness to serve as The New York Times chief.

"His integrity and decision-making are bound to affect The Times and its journalism — profoundly," she wrote. "It's worth considering now whether he is the right person for the job, given this turn of events."

Sullivan said while finding an answer was "not as easy as it sounds ... all these questions ought to be asked."

http://news.yahoo.com/bbc-scandal-raises-questions-incoming-nyt-boss-115555430.html


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 Response 420 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Oct 24, 2012 (10:58) * 3 lines 
 
It all smacks of cover up, upon cover up. From the documentaries and coverage Ive seen it comes across Savile managed to get the 'low down' on some powerful and influencial people, in order to cover his own back, if you get my drift! In fact, Edwina Curry hinted as much on BBC news yesterday. She said when Savile was at Broadmoor he found his way into the finances and other areas where (Edwina) said he should never have been allowed. She went on to intimate he could use this to buy silence!

Savile is the tip of the iceberg. Question is, will the *real* truth ever be revealed, I seriously doubt it!


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 Response 421 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Oct 24, 2012 (11:00) * 1 lines 
 
Talk about 'A tangled web they do weave'!


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 Response 422 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Oct 24, 2012 (11:02) * 3 lines 
 
Sorry, but had to post this one. Janet, considering what we have read from your google search suggestion, this is an interesting development

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/was-there-a-paedophile-ring-in-no-10-mp-tom-watson-demands-probe-8224702.html


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 Response 423 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Oct 24, 2012 (11:23) * 3 lines 
 
Did you catch the link on that independent page to a scientific discussion of necrophilia:

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/10/24/jimmy-savile-paedophilia-and-necrophilia/


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 Response 424 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Oct 24, 2012 (11:35) * 3 lines 
 
No, I didn't pick that particular link up, but had done so from a comment Janet made the other day.It seems as if these rumours had been floating around for a long time. There's gotta be more to this than meets the eye. Who are they all afraid of and/or covering for, that's the question, IMO.

I hope Tom Watson will get the bit between the teeth with this one. He was great not letting the phone hacking scandal drop.


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 Response 425 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Oct 25, 2012 (12:34) * 5 lines 
 
Stephen Colbert regularly ridicules Donald Trump, using the disjointed hyperbolic phrases that Trump uses. This was on last night:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/420539/october-24-2012/donald-trump-s-october-surprise

It does get a little crude though. Be advised. ;-)


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 Response 426 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Thu, Oct 25, 2012 (13:59) * 6 lines 
 
Thank you Hugh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20087029

Sorry but I couldn't find the page the discussion about this horrible incident was on.
Please feel free to move this.


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 Response 427 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Fri, Oct 26, 2012 (11:34) * 6 lines 
 
Looks like Evelyn's honey got his wrist slapped.
And like Lindsey Lohan, will serve negligible, if any at all, time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20102215




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 Response 428 of 542: Dorine  (gomezdo) * Sat, Oct 27, 2012 (21:29) * 1 lines 
 
Hope everyone in the path and reach of Hurricane Sandy stays safe in the next few days!


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 Response 429 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (13:18) * 21 lines 
 
Rocker Gary Glitter arrested in connection with Savile case, British media report

By The Associated Press | Associated Press

LONDON - Police investigating the sex abuse scandal surrounding late BBC children's television host Jimmy Savile have arrested pop star Gary Glitter in connection with the case, British media said Sunday.

Metropolitan Police said they arrested a man in his 60s early Sunday morning at his London home, on suspicion of sexual offences, and that he remains in custody in a London police station.

The force did not identify the man, but British media including the BBC and Press Association reported he was Glitter, 68, a former rock musician and a convicted sex offender. Glitter's real name is Paul Gadd.

Hundreds of potential victims have come forward since police began their investigation into sex abuse allegations against Savile, the longtime host of popular shows "Top of the Pops" and "Jim'll Fix It" who died at age 84 last year. Most allege abuse by Savile, but some said they were abused by Savile and others.

Glitter, best known for "Rock & Roll (Part 1&2)," was convicted in 2006 in Vietnam of committing "obscene acts with children" — offences involving girls aged 10 and 11. He was deported in 2008.

He had a previous conviction in Britain for possessing child pornography.

The scandal has horrified Britain with revelations that Savile cajoled and coerced vulnerable teens into having sex with him in his car, in his camper van, and even in dingy dressing rooms on BBC premises.

Police have said that though the majority of cases related to Savile alone, some involved the entertainer and other, unidentified suspects. In addition, some potential victims who reported abuse by Savile also told police about separate allegations against unidentified men that did not involve the BBC host.

http://news.yahoo.com/rocker-gary-glitter-arrested-connection-savile-case-british-111304759.html


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 Response 430 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (13:43) * 2 lines 
 
Complete scumbag. Convicted of child molestation in Vietnam, after his conviction in the UK.
More big, big names to follow apparently. One of them a soap star. Could only really be from Eastenders.


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 Response 431 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (13:59) * 3 lines 
 
Why only Eastenders? I can think of a few creeps from other soaps. I had read somewhere one of the Hollyoaks cast could be in trouble, but of course this would be recent rather than historical.

Freddy Star still awaits his fate, he is almost gagging to be interviewed to 'clear his name'. Me thinks he doth protest his innocence too much!


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 Response 432 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (14:00) * 1 lines 
 
I echo Dorine's words. Keep safe, all ladies in the path of Hurricane Sandy!


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 Response 433 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (14:48) * 2 lines 
 
re: Gary Glitter
Does it appear like they're rounding up the "usual suspects"? People coming forward, naming names, has similarities to the Salem witch hunts, as depicted in The Crucible, which were in fact intended to show what was going on with Joseph McCarthy's hunt for communists with the govt.


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 Response 434 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (14:58) * 2 lines 
 
It was reported as a BBC soap star.



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 Response 435 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (15:01) * 4 lines 
 
I think this is a bit different from the McCarthy witchhunt. Paedophilia is a cancer in our society, and has been covered up for too long.

Of course, some of those who have come forward will be 'jumping on the bandwagon', but that's for the police to investigate.



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 Response 436 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (15:01) * 3 lines 
 
According to reports, a lot of victims have come forward, the Police have interviwed those and, as i understand it, will be making arrests following those interviews.

Re Gary Glitter, he was 'named' by Karin Ward (victim interviewed on the ITV doc). She said she saw him having sex with a girl in Savile's changing room and Savile was aware of this, she said he found it funny. The thing that isn't clear is the age of the woman in question and whether it was consensual.


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 Response 437 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (15:03) * 3 lines 
 
(Janet)It was reported as a BBC soap star.

Could be Eldorado


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 Response 438 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (15:20) * 3 lines 
 
(Sue) Freddy Star still awaits his fate
He really shot himself in the foot by calling the girl a liar, and declaring he'd never been at the studios.
He soon changed his mind when shown footage of his appearance! Suddenly he was 'mistaken', but still denied any inappopriate behaviour.


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 Response 439 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (15:21) * 2 lines 
 
Don't think so Sue, he was called a household name.
-Can you remember any of the Eldorado cast;-)


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 Response 440 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (15:47) * 9 lines 
 
(Janet)Don't think so Sue, he was called a household name.

?

(Janet)Can you remember any of the Eldorado cast;-)
LOL.

So, who do you think is the soap star from Eastenders, Janet?



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 Response 441 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (16:00) * 1 lines 
 
Can you remember a sleazy guy who's already done time, and was caught watching porn on BBC premises?


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 Response 442 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (16:15) * 1 lines 
 
Erm, no, I can't recall. Which character did he play?


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 Response 443 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (16:22) * 1 lines 
 
Sue, don't want to name him, but he could've done with a wash!;-D


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 Response 444 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (16:26) * 1 lines 
 
Cryptic question, was it "Come on Ang"???


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 Response 445 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (16:29) * 1 lines 
 
Or should I say was once the Landlord of the Queen Vic?


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 Response 446 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (18:08) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, but of course, but I'm only speculating.


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 Response 447 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Sun, Oct 28, 2012 (19:55) * 1 lines 
 
Best wishes to all on the East coast US and Canada. Hope you can weather the storm and it's less than predicted. We are expecting it as far west as Western NY and Southern Ontario. Good luck all.


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 Response 448 of 542: felicity beaver  (felicityb) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (11:18) * 1 lines 
 
It is just so big...like Linda I hope it is much less than predicted but certainly the view from(extensive news coverage) over here is that this is one huge lumbering scary hurricane. Keep safe everyone.


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 Response 449 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (12:08) * 1 lines 
 
The storm looks to be gathering pace and frightening from the news footage I have been watching. I hope all ladies affected have hunkered down? Keep safe and take care. Thinking of you!


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 Response 450 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (12:37) * 1 lines 
 
The most affected would be Dorine, LindaK, and Mari. NYC subway flooding sounds like the premise for an upcoming TV movie.


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 Response 451 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (12:38) * 1 lines 
 
and Maureen!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 452 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (12:40) * 3 lines 
 
(Karen)NYC subway flooding sounds like the premise for an upcoming TV movie.

Funny you mention that. It was reported earlier NYC have banned any filming on the streets, I assume they mean for commercial purposes.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 453 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (12:59) * 1 lines 
 
Oh, yes, sorry. I haven't heard from Maureen lately.


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 Response 454 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (13:06) * 1 lines 
 
I am sure you will in due course, Karen.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 455 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (13:21) * 8 lines 
 
;-))))) (subtle, aren't I?))

And a stay safe to AnnE!







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 Response 456 of 542: Sandy  (sandyw) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (13:28) * 1 lines 
 
I'm thinking of all the eastern droolers. Be safe.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 457 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (13:29) * 1 lines 
 
Karen, I have emailed you!


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 Response 458 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Oct 29, 2012 (18:04) * 1 lines 
 
Keep safe everyone!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 459 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Tue, Oct 30, 2012 (14:27) * 5 lines 
 
I can't believe I've gone through another storm! Our power has just come back!

I hope Dorine, Mari, LindaK, and everyone in Sandy's path is safe.

I hope this storm won't affect Obama's campaign too much. I want this country to move forward not backwards.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 460 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Oct 30, 2012 (14:30) * 3 lines 
 
Hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling Romney may sneak it. Obama hasn't come across very well in recent appearances, whereas Romney is more of a player if you know what I mean.
Btw, why hasn't his off shore finances been explored more?



 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 461 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Oct 30, 2012 (14:48) * 2 lines 
 
(Janet) Btw, why hasn't his off shore finances been explored more?
Hell if I know!!! If I had been on of the people at the last debate/town hall meeting, my question would have been: Do you--or anyone in your immediate family--have now or in the past any offshore bank accounts? There is only one reason to have foreign bank accounts and that is to hide money. Why anyone would vote for a president who has ever cheated on his income taxes is beyond me.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 462 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Tue, Oct 30, 2012 (15:41) * 3 lines 
 
Exactly, Karen! What kind of a "patriot" is he? It is well documented that he closes American factories and those jobs end up abroad for cheap labor.

Also, why do people buy the lies on the TV commercials? Research and read.


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 Response 463 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Tue, Oct 30, 2012 (18:42) * 1 lines 
 
As a foreigner, I had to laugh at Romney on the news tonight saying things like Sandy makes Americans pull together and that they are good people and he knows they should and do all help each other (true).....except, behind closed doors he believes that doesn't include for the poor, the sick, the dispossessed, the 47%. Snark, snark!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 464 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Tue, Oct 30, 2012 (19:58) * 1 lines 
 
And FEMA will he ever give an answer to journalists? All the Americans that have been helped by FEMA. And Romney doesn't care for it. :-(


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 Response 465 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (08:05) * 1 lines 
 
Good to hear everyone is OK. Maureen has text me. Only minor damage to her property, but a different story for her MIL (whom stayed with them the night of the storm)as I understand it her street and home is flooded out. Maureen said they can't yet get near to survey the damage. Not good :-(


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 466 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (10:42) * 2 lines 
 
Is this nutcase taken any more seriously in the US than he is in the UK?
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/31/179228/


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 467 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (10:51) * 1 lines 
 
Doesn't the article answer your question?


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 468 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (11:00) * 1 lines 
 
I really meant with the general public, lol!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 469 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (11:09) * 1 lines 
 
I'm not sure how anyone can answer for that.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 470 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (11:15) * 1 lines 
 
Karen, I have just seen your email reply from the other day, it came through to the yahoo server site rather than my mail box. Will reply, didn't want you to think I was ignoring you :-)


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 Response 471 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (13:13) * 2 lines 
 
NYC is used to big winds since "The Donald" lives there. Waht a jerk!
Best wishes to all who suffered in the storm.


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 Response 472 of 542: Lesley  (lesleycdix) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (13:30) * 1 lines 
 
I just watched the latest on BBC news - I reiterate everyone's best wishes in dealing with this terrifying incident.


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 Response 473 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Oct 31, 2012 (18:43) * 3 lines 
 
I watched Pres Obama's impressive and heart felt speech from NJ earlier today. The utter devastation of parts of New Jersey. My heart goes out to those affected from the terrible loss of life and homes.

I wish the UK had a current Prime Minister as impressive as Pres Obama! I shall be watching the Presidential Elections with interest next week.


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 Response 474 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (06:32) * 2 lines 
 
Agreed Sue. I do hope Obama is re-elected. I fear what may happen if Romney wins.
- Cameron just doesn't have the qualities required to lead a country:-(


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 475 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (07:36) * 5 lines 
 
I too fear what will happen if Romney wins. Obama comes across as a confident, determined and compassionate leader of the US.

(Janet)Cameron just doesn't have the qualities required to lead a country:-(

I agree, though I am not keen on the alternatives :-( I have taken to watching PMQ's. Milliband is quite humourous and entertaining when he gets going, but I am not confident he has what it takes to be the next PM. I wish John Smith could still be around, IMO, he would have made an excellent PM.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 476 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (08:05) * 3 lines 
 
This is an interesting development re the Savile case. There have been no further reports of high profile arrests. I wonder why the delay or perhaps there is a news blackout.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20162980


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 477 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (09:46) * 1 lines 
 
I wish I could bring you two to the polls with me next week.:-) Just speaking for myself, this President has done a phenomenal job during very troubled times and trying circumstances, and deserves a second term.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 478 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (09:49) * 14 lines 
 
Christina Aguilera, Bruce Springsteen To Perform At Benefit For Sandy Victims
Bruce Springsteen, Christina Aguilera and more are confirmed to appear on "Hurricane Sandy: Coming Together," a benefit for victims of the storm set to air Friday on NBC.

Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Bon Jovi, Christina Aguilera, Sting and Billy Joel are all set to appear on "Hurricane Sandy: Coming Together," a benefit concert to aid the victims of the storm that devastated the Northeast.

The special will air Friday at 8 p.m. ET on the networks of NBC Universal. The "Today" show's Matt Lauer will serve as host, with NBC News' Brian Williams and "Late Night" host Jimmy Fallon also set to make appearances.

Money collected will be donated to the American Red Cross relief efforts, which are providing food, shelter, emotional support and other assistance to those affected by Hurricane Sandy as well as other disasters. To make a donation, visit RedCross.org, call 1-800-RED-CROSS or text the word REDCROSS to 90999 to make a $10 contribution to their cause.

"Hurricane Sandy: Coming Together" will air Friday at 8 p.m. ET on NBC, NBC.com, USA Network, SyFy, MSNBC, CNBC, Bravo, E!, Style Network, G4 and more. A spokesperson for NBC Universal told The New York Times that channels not owned by the company will also be allowed to broadcast the concert.

Following Hurricane Katrina in 2005, NBC organized a similar benefit that raised some $50 million for the Red Cross. A week after NBC's benefit, another telethon, "Shelter From the Storm" was broadcast across all networks.




 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 479 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (10:49) * 6 lines 
 
(Mari) this President has done a phenomenal job during very troubled times and trying circumstances
If by "trying circumstances" you mean a recalcitrant Congress; spineless, self-serving Democrats; and a strict Constitutional SC that changes the definition of "We, the People," then I would agree. :-( Overall, I'd say Obama has been disappointing in what he's been able to achieve and how he's had made significant compromises to his campaign promises in order to get anything done.

However, given the further evils that could be done by a Romney admin, there's no real other option.

At the show I was at last night (pre-Broadway run of Kinky Boots), they had an appeal for the Red Cross.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 480 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (14:44) * 5 lines 
 
One of the decorated houses in the neighborhood. Note the sign above the Obama-Biden sign and where it is pointing:






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 Response 481 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (18:28) * 1 lines 
 
Lol, Karen!


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 Response 482 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Nov  1, 2012 (19:13) * 2 lines 
 
Comedian Freddie Starr, who appeared in Jimmy Savile's Clunk Click TV show, has now been arrested on suspicion of sexual offences.
-Who's next?


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 483 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sun, Nov  4, 2012 (14:13) * 8 lines 
 
An important read:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romneys-election-campaign-insults-voters/2012/11/02/69fcc1fc-2428-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html

I hope everyone is trying to get the vote out working helping out the communities do so.

In Florida, the Republican governor has refused to allow Sunday early voting. This shuts out a lot of hard-working people that might not be able to make it out on Tuesday. That is despicable. Total voter suppression.



 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 484 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Sun, Nov  4, 2012 (22:48) * 3 lines 
 
This is a must read:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/11/04/obamas-bad-economic-policies-vs-romneys-disastrous-ones/


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 485 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Mon, Nov  5, 2012 (15:35) * 3 lines 
 
My niece was explaining what sarcasm was to her English class of 15 year olds.
She asked one girl for an example, to which she replied, "Miss, you look really nice today".
-Lol!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 486 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (12:24) * 1 lines 
 
When can oui expect to hear the Presidential result?


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 487 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (12:34) * 5 lines 
 
Results cannot be released until the polling places are closed, the first being on the East Coast at 7 pm their time. That's when the first projections hit the air. So we're talking 5-1/2 hrs from now.

Here's a great site:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/


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 Response 488 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (12:40) * 1 lines 
 
Cheers, Karen. Our news have said the Ohio result should be in around midnight (UK time). Ohio is in land a little from the East Coast, does that time sound right?


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 489 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (13:02) * 1 lines 
 
Ohio is in the Eastern time zone. Eastern time goes all the way into Indiana (well, most of Indiana) - and Indiana is one state west of Ohio.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 490 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (13:09) * 1 lines 
 
They are saying on the news over here that Ohio is an important vote, something to do with College votes? I confess to not understanding how it works, but I am tempted to stay up til midnight.


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 Response 491 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (13:45) * 1 lines 
 
I think it's going to go past midnight your time, Sue. The "Electoral College" is actually how we elect the president. Each state gets so many electoral college votes, based on population. If you win the popular vote in a given state, then you win that state's electoral college votes. In the vast majority of states, it's winner take all. You need 270 electoral votes to win the election. This is an antiquated provision put in by our founding fathers 230+ years ago that was intended to guard against the common rabble electing an unfit person,:-( the thought being that, in theory, the electors could overule a wildly inappropriate choice. It is possible to win the popular vote, but lose the election due to not enough electoral college votes (This is how Geoerge W. Bush beat Al Gore in 2000.)


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 492 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (13:47) * 1 lines 
 
On paper, Ohio is no more important than any other state, but because most other states are leaning one way or the other--and it's going to be very close--Ohio is pretty much tied and therefore those votes may be the deciders.


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 Response 493 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (14:30) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks for explaining,Mari, though I confess I am still rather confused. Too bad I can't become a US citizen for 24 hours in order to vote ;-)


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 494 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (14:41) * 3 lines 
 
Most people here are confused by it, too, Sue, lol.

Oui would gladly take you in! :-)


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 Response 495 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (15:01) * 1 lines 
 
LOL, Mari. Well, I shall keep my fingers crossed for a 2nd term for YKW! ;-)


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 Response 496 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (15:04) * 1 lines 
 
BTW, just in case anyone is wondering, I took an instant dislike to Romney over his Olympics gaffe, or rather, insult, pft! Not good international diplomacy ;-(


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 497 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (15:32) * 13 lines 
 
(Mari) This is how Geoerge W. Bush beat Al Gore in 2000.
Technically no. He won because the Supreme Court took sides and called a halt to the Florida recount.

BTW, Sue, I should have said Eastern time zone instead of East Coast in my first response to minimize confusion.

I did see on the news that some polls actually close at 6 pm Eastern, not 7 pm as I thought was far more common.

I've voted--no lines, no waiting--in a barely marked basement room at a church.

The election is really low key here in Illinois. I haven't received hardly any candidate literature, robo calls, etc. There weren't any signs lining the streets near the polling places either.

(Sue) that Ohio is an important vote
It is not only one of the so-called swing states (where the outcome could go either way), but it has significant electoral votes, unlike "undecided" little states.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 498 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (15:38) * 3 lines 
 
Yeah, I heard as much over here about the significance of Ohio.

Can't believe I am more interested awaiting the US Presidential result than I was for the UK Elections.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 499 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (15:43) * 3 lines 
 
On the comedy shows, like Jon Stewart's, they've been mocking the "undecided" voters as people who are utterly clueless. There was a very funny parody of an election ad about undecideds on SNL as well.

It all boils down to Obama/Biden 2012 vs Romney/Ryan 1812!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 500 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (17:41) * 1 lines 
 
I read that no president has ever been elected who didn't win Ohio. Is that true, does anybody know?


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 Response 501 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (17:44) * 1 lines 
 
I read/head that too, Janet. Sounds like Ohio is the one to watch tonight.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 502 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (17:55) * 1 lines 
 
No Republican has won the presidency without Ohio. Democrats have won without Ohio.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 503 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (18:01) * 1 lines 
 
Cheers for the clarification, Mari. Sky News reporting Exit Poll: Obama and Romney tied in Virginia.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 504 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (18:03) * 1 lines 
 
Crikey! Results just coming through Obama 3 Romney 19. Yikes!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 505 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (18:32) * 1 lines 
 
According to Sky News Obama ahead of Romney bu 3% in Ohio.


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 Response 506 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (19:12) * 1 lines 
 
Too early to call yet Sue-keep the faith!


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 Response 507 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (19:15) * 1 lines 
 
Lol, I am but I think I will head to Bedfordshire now. Night all!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 508 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (22:20) * 1 lines 
 
Woo hoo! Obama re-elected!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 509 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (23:29) * 2 lines 
 
Huge sigh of relief!
Romney hasn't conceded yet-is he a bad loser?;-D


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 510 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Tue, Nov  6, 2012 (23:35) * 7 lines 
 
The Donald is not happy!

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump

This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 511 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (02:35) * 1 lines 
 
Phew! Relief here too for another Obama term. David Cameron has said he is delighted, enjoyed working with Obama. Next up Cameron's turn and I am not hoping for a second term of Conservatives.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 512 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (02:54) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, but Cameron very sneakily brought in a fixed term government just after he was elected, so we have another few years to go:-((


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 513 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (03:20) * 3 lines 
 
True :-(

Good speech from Obama. I particularly liked how he spoke of his wife and girls. Very touching.


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 Response 514 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (11:27) * 12 lines 
 
I am so glad it is finally ooooooooover! Now it will be interesting to see if we have two-four more years of stalemate in the Congress. :-( At least the Senate is still Democrat-controlled, which is more important for future the Supreme Court developments. (Note to non-US Droolers: only the Senate ratifies nominees to the Supreme Court)

(Janet) The Donald is not happy!
i often wonder if his children, who seem so normal and nice, are embarrassed about these things, especially on the political front.

After the networks called the election, I actually flipped back and forth to Fox News(!) because the MSNBC crew (principally Rachel Maddow) was going on and on about how Karl Rove and the other on-air talent were refusing to accept the result of their own expert statisticians. So, while the news crawl stated that Obama had won, their talking heads were denying it or saying that it couldn't possibly be right.

I stayed up to see Obamapalooza, but kept falling asleep, so I really didn't hear much of what he said.

Once again Illinois politics has my eyes rolling back into their sockets. Jesse Jackson, Jr., retained his Congressional seat but didn't campaign as he has been holed away at this or that medical/psychiatric facility since early summer. I believe he's currently in the Mayo Clinic and they're saying he has a bi-polar disorder, but he hasn't been in Washington to do his job for at least siz months, probably longer. Sad!




 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 515 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (13:49) * 7 lines 
 
A very moving speech by Obama. I hope all America gets it.

I was working for Obama yesterday in VA, my girlfriends were doing the same in FL and in Penn. And we all came through!

I was at the Sheraton Hotel in No VA for the Dems party with our new senators, etc. and it was such a thrill to be part of the big announcement. A night to remember. Hillary 2016, oh yeah. ;-D




 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 516 of 542: Mari Fulginiti  (mari) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (14:38) * 1 lines 
 
Cute cartoon, Moon. My nephew in Miami waited 5 HOURS in line to vote. He kept texting me that my future was in his hands, and I kept telling him not to dare leave that line, lol. What is wrong with them down there? Fewer polling places/voter suppression? With some incompetance thrown in? Bill Clinton has a big marker to call in if Hillary runs on '16!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 517 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (14:49) * 3 lines 
 
Mari, as you know, I lived through the worst election ever in Florida. I'm happy the President mentioned voting in his speech, and I do hope something will be done. I read that in Miami some people were still on line at 1 AM? This from the "greatest country in the world?"

I want Congress to make the power companies upgrade the electrical lines and put them underground. It's disgraceful how they keep the profits and don't invest in underground lines. We've just seen what happens with Sandy.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 518 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (14:51) * 3 lines 
 
Happy for you, Moon and Mr Obama, of course.

Love Charlie Brown, he's so cute.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 519 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (15:01) * 1 lines 
 
Canadians were vastly in support of Obama so I am glad at the results. I just hope the bickering and name calling can stop long enough for the parties to work together and actually achieve something beneficial. Dream on.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 520 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (17:16) * 5 lines 
 
Evidently Brian Williams (NBC news anchor) called out Donald Trump last night:

http://news.yahoo.com/nbc-sick-tired-employing-donald-trump-063027779.html

Love the first comment, asking how hard is it to say "you're fired" to Trump!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 521 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Wed, Nov  7, 2012 (17:25) * 2 lines 
 
Seems The Donald deleted his tweet calling for a revolution-perhaps on legal advice?
What difference does it make though, since it was seen by so many!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 522 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Thu, Nov  8, 2012 (17:58) * 3 lines 
 
Message from the Queen;-D

http://kumva.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/message-frmo-the-queen/


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 523 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Thu, Nov  8, 2012 (23:02) * 1 lines 
 
It's about time Elizabeth took things in hand!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 524 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Thu, Nov  8, 2012 (23:48) * 1 lines 
 
#12 is not true.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 525 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (02:47) * 3 lines 
 
Damn, I recorded the show yesterday but immediately wiped it after FF through to check for Gambit Premiere. I wonder whom was on Philip Schofs list!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20251939


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 526 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (02:51) * 3 lines 
 
The BBC video didn't show the critical moment when Philip handed over the list. Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2z9ZA02EQ


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 527 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (10:00) * 1 lines 
 
You're right Karen-it's US and Canada;-)


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 528 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (10:05) * 3 lines 
 
Sue, the names are those that have been mentioned on the net for years. All very high ranking Tories.

Don't you remember Private Eye I think it was years ago, printing "There's no truth in the rumour that **** ******* is a paedophile", or words to that effect? Clever!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 529 of 542: SueH  (pianoblues) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (10:11) * 1 lines 
 
I don't remember the Private Eye thing and can't recall having read/head the names of high ranking Tories being named.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 530 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (10:24) * 2 lines 
 
(Janet) You're right Karen-it's US and Canada;-)
It is more than that. Even though the World Series only includes teams from the US and Canada, #12 states that is a game NOT played outside the US. Baseball is played in many countries, most notably Japan and Central and South America and the Caribbean, where so many of the US players come from.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 531 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (10:45) * 1 lines 
 
Sent you text Sue.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 532 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (10:46) * 1 lines 
 
Karen, it's only a joke-none of the comments are true!


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 Response 533 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (15:05) * 3 lines 
 
This sounds too ridiculous to be true, but apparently it is!:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-candidate-death-penalty-rebellious-children_n_1948490.html


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 534 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (15:56) * 5 lines 
 
Janet, I know it is a joke. All I'm saying that the info is not accurate. None of the others contained such erroneous info to my knowledge.

It's a good thing for Democrats that these nutjobs exist, as they all lost their election bids in Arkansas:

http://swtimes.com/sections/elections/voters-reject-controversial-candidates-three-arkansas-house-races.html


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 535 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (16:00) * 4 lines 
 
I thought most of the article was exaggerated. Accuracy was not considered, lol!

If a British politician was to make such statements, he would be thrown out of office, without a doubt. They've got rid of people for far less.
Why are they allowed to remain in office in the US-are they not answerable to anyone?


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 536 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (16:09) * 5 lines 
 
Fuqua was running for public office; he wasn't IN office. He lost.

I do wonder whether this Fuqua guy is a relative of the man who endowed the Duke B-school.




 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 537 of 542: Janet O'Brien  (janet2) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (16:12) * 1 lines 
 
Sorry, I thought he was in office.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 538 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (16:15) * 4 lines 
 
(Janet) Why are they allowed to remain in office in the US-are they not answerable to anyone?
Going back to this particular statement, there is a process in the US known as "recall" in which an elected official can be taken out of office. It was recently tried this year with the governor of Wisconsin. The recall vote failed. Since Wisconsin is about 2 hrs north of me, there are many people with vacation homes there. What I have heard is that the recall effort failed, not because people agreed with what Gov Walker was doing, but they didn't think it fair to recall him. Thought he should be allowed to serve out his term!

So, in other words, the mechandism does exist to get rid of people who are either not representing their electorate, but the electorate doesn't have the cojones to use it!


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 539 of 542: Pariah  (KarenR) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (16:19) * 1 lines 
 
He had been a state legislator from 1996-1998.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 540 of 542: Moon Dreams  (Moon) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (20:07) * 4 lines 
 
He resigns over that? He is responsible for the Benghazi affair and he must answer questions lots of them before you can go.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/11/09/david-petraeus-resigns-cia-director-affair_n_2103094.html



 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 541 of 542: Linda  (Aberdeen) * Fri, Nov  9, 2012 (20:12) * 1 lines 
 
Has anyone else heard about the Texas judge, William Adams, who was reinstated in spite of a cruel beating of his daughter who has CP? There is a video on You Tube and an article on care2. The creep should be in jail. The daughter secretly left her recorder on her dresser while he beat her and captured the whole event.


 Topic 108 of 108 [news]: It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World  (Part 3 - The Maddest World Yet!)
 Response 542 of 542: newshound (cfadm) * Thu, Nov 22, 2012 (22:29) * 1 lines 
 
such an injustice.

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