Topic 3 of 38: Wisdom...What is it?
Mon, Nov 10, 1997 (12:12) |
Americ Azevedo (americ)
Does anyone have any idea what wisdom is?
After all, philosophy comes from roots words that
mean: "love of wisdom".
What is it that we love here?
209 responses total.
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Response 1 of 209: Donnal Walter (donnal) * Mon, Nov 10, 1997 (17:12) * 2 lines
Wisdom: a way of seeing ourselves and our world that ...
hmmm let me think some more about that.
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Response 2 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Mon, Nov 10, 1997 (18:26) * 8 lines
wisdom is not easy to define.
perhaps it cannot be defined at all.
Lao Tsu is said to have written:
"The tao (way) that can be told
is not the enternal Tao (Way).
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name...."
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Response 3 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Mon, Nov 10, 1997 (19:10) * 5 lines
Hmmm...
Afraid I must hold with Waldo:
"The wise- through excess of wisdom- are made fools." (or something like that)
And- along the lines of another thought Waldo held- if consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, might Wisdom be described as that of the intellectually myopic? What I mean is, are men even capable of recognising genuine wisdom, or truth, much less holding it? The older I become, the more such things seem to be ignis fatuus...
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Response 4 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Mon, Nov 10, 1997 (19:50) * 6 lines
The older I get, the less I seem to know.
Socrates -- for all his faults -- started out believing that the only wisdom he really had was "knowing that he did not know."
Plato even suggested that people where not even ready to "do" philosophy until they past the age of 40. It does take a little while to realize how little we know.
So what is the value of such consideration in the first place?
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Response 5 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Tue, Nov 11, 1997 (18:25) * 1 lines
I found Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha's words interesting when he said wisdom is not communicable. The wisdom which a wise man tries to communicate always sound foolish; knowledge can be communicated but not wisdom.
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Response 6 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Tue, Nov 11, 1997 (19:29) * 6 lines
Perhaps, it is like being a young child who cannot talk, but can point with its finger at something. Only with wisdom, that which is being pointed at
has no specific words that "say it."
What is the sound of one hand clapping??????????
P.S. I love Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha.
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Response 7 of 209: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Nov 11, 1997 (19:36) * 1 lines
I look forward to rereading it someday.
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Response 8 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Nov 12, 1997 (10:40) * 1 lines
Wisdom is knowing enough to abstaing when you know you really have no idea what is the question, nevermind the answer.
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Response 9 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Wed, Nov 12, 1997 (12:11) * 1 lines
So, perhaps, _not-doing_ is an aspect of wisdom.?.?
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Response 10 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Nov 12, 1997 (12:25) * 1 lines
Knowing when to and when not to.
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Response 11 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Wed, Nov 12, 1997 (20:04) * 3 lines
This "knowing" must be a different kind of knowing from
the kind of knowing that we have, say, of when someone is in this room?..
yes...no?
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Response 12 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Nov 12, 1997 (21:33) * 2 lines
Is there someone in this room?
(just wondering)
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Response 13 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Nov 13, 1997 (02:15) * 2 lines
That would depend upon
how you believe.
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Response 14 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Thu, Nov 13, 1997 (03:01) * 2 lines
To paraphrase David St. Hubbins, I believe, basically everything I read (it makes me a wiser, more aware and discerning person than one that believes in nothing, or only some. Of what he reads, I mean)...
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Response 15 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Nov 13, 1997 (09:33) * 1 lines
Often I believe what others say is their own truth, not necessarily mine -- does that count as believing or not, IYO?
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Response 16 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Fri, Nov 14, 1997 (17:38) * 1 lines
I see that we are starting to come to the question of "truth" -- I think I will open a topic for that, now.
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Response 17 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (09:35) * 2 lines
Wisdom: Knowledged gained through experience.
And the definition doesn't discount those who are "wise beyond their years." Often one may take another's experience and garner knowledge from it leading to furthering his own wisdom.
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Response 18 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (12:39) * 3 lines
Yes. Yes.
Actually, I somethings think that some of my children were just born wise.
Then, later, they "forget" their wisdom.
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Response 19 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Nov 21, 1997 (17:15) * 2 lines
Did they actually forget, or just
misapply their new knowledge?
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Response 20 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Mon, Nov 24, 1997 (17:54) * 10 lines
Well, I don't think they had any knowledge yet.
Perhaps, the wisdom they had got covered up with knowledge.
I sometime say, that we must forget our "knowledge"
in order to get back our wisdom.
Wisdom is a higher order of integration than knowledge.
By the time we have "knowledge" we are already broken into fragments.
(Man...Am I making any sense any longer????)
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Response 21 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Mon, Nov 24, 1997 (17:55) * 1 lines
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Response 22 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Sat, Nov 29, 1997 (12:40) * 6 lines
Who is willing to spout their 'thoughts on wisdom' when those thoughts are not so popular?
How much do we miss out on when our own minds will not even consider big changes?
Why couldn't the contemporaries of Leonardo listen and learn, and where would we be now if they (we) had listened?
What is it we fear about big changes?
Perhaps we do not want to let go of what we feel secure in.
Maybe that is why humanities social structure changes sooooo slowly.
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Response 23 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Sun, Nov 30, 1997 (13:34) * 7 lines
Well....Steven....I think the answer to your question is
that it seems that most "big changes" just lead to choas.
And, choas is not a pleasant thing.
One needs peace of mind, rest.
Resistance to change may just be an expression
of the desire for peace of mind and rest.
Change, by itself, is not a good thing.
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Response 24 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Mon, Dec 1, 1997 (18:44) * 1 lines
"wisdom is age, there are no old fools"
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Response 25 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Mon, Dec 1, 1997 (18:51) * 7 lines
sometimes i hear
that it is difficult to tell
a wise person from a fool.
sometimes the most foolish thing we could do
might just really be the wisest thing in the end.
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Response 26 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Tue, Dec 2, 1997 (11:56) * 1 lines
Someone was hung on a cross for just that.
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Response 27 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Tue, Dec 2, 1997 (20:06) * 1 lines
Yep.
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Response 28 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Tue, Dec 2, 1997 (21:11) * 8 lines
Americ said; And, choas is not a pleasant thing.
One needs peace of mind, rest.
People can change real fast when everything is changing in the right direction (relative). It can even be chaotic and they don't mind....
Its the fear of quick change in the negative direction that makes us such scaredy cats. (How do you spell that anyway?).
Its sort of like having to let go of everything again, to get ready for the next event. Maybe we are afraid of letting go of that 'old stuff' again.
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Response 29 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Tue, Dec 2, 1997 (21:28) * 5 lines
We, as a, so called "civilized society", live in fear of changes.
Fear is a insecurity one has with oneself.
So therefor we conform. Conformity can be good, but most of the time it works against a person. No longer does he or she act on implulse.
A wise man or woman acts with truth and harmony to others. They will be rejected by people. But that comes with the territory.
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Response 30 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Wed, Dec 3, 1997 (11:05) * 5 lines
Yeshe
What happens when your truth is not someone else's harmony?
Do you still express?
Or do you hold your truth in judgement as non-expressible?
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Response 31 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Wed, Dec 3, 1997 (22:00) * 3 lines
Complete truth in time shall be expressed in fullness...
If that makes any sense?????
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Response 32 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (10:27) * 7 lines
Yeshe,
I understand what you said.
How long are you going to wait? Seems like if you wait long enough, it will never happen.
I don't mean to rush you though.
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Response 33 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (14:11) * 10 lines
Steven --
Waiting/not-waiting.
Not-doing/doing.
Not always clear what the difference is.
If one pushes too hard -- the universe sometimes comes back and just pushes back.
Sometimes, doing-nothing, waiting, does everything in the fullness of time.
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Response 34 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (15:31) * 11 lines
100% agreement on that Americ.
But when the time is right... do we always speak/do?
That is our/your dilemna?
Harmony between you and the rest of yourself. When the soul speaks/does,.. so does Americ. And when the soul is quiet, Americ just relaxes.
My views,
The only way I know to get better and better at that is by staying in the heart, and out of the head (old paradigms there). Then letting go of fears. So when the soul wants to play a part, I don't dismiss it as an 'inappropriate thought'.
Sometimes, ego created laws, rules, ethics, morals etc.. Created for the purpose of keeping our fears out of sight (ineffectively), get in the way of doing/speaking. It's difficult to find your fears, when the 'utopian world' won't show them to you. Well engineered personal and global armegeddons seem to work well.
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Response 35 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (19:28) * 1 lines
Well said, Steven.
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Response 36 of 209: Jon Feldhammer (Reflous) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (21:02) * 11 lines
Staying in your heart, as you put it, and out of your head to improve yourself and to let go of fear, seems to be a paradox. What is the heart? I assume you are using the heart to describe gut feelings, emotions, and instinct. Fear is an intregal part of these things and thus your heart, are they not? It would seem easier to use your emotionless head to lead you in rational decisions than your heart.
What about anger in the heart? Anger is apart from fear and is from your heart. Without the guidence of the "head" or intellect what is to stop you, or ME, from killing someone? Have you never had a fit of rage so violent murder seemed to be a viable option? I have. But it was my intellect which prevented this while my whole heart wanted nothing but blood.
So is it trully best to listen to the heart and ignore the head?
By guiding my behavior with laws and ethics I am neither ignoring my emotions or masking my fear. My intellect can pursue my emotions without action (such as murder) and only in thought, safely (for other humans). So if a world of lawlessness lead by the heart is what you seek, lets bring on the anarchy and divulge in the bloodfest, perhaps you will obstain from it, but I surely will not. Personally, I vote for "head" ethics.
--I'm new here, hello everyone.
Jon
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Response 37 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (22:18) * 12 lines
Hello Jon, and welcome to our little philosophy corner!
I think there is a semantic problem?
The 'Heart' as some use it is really just a focal point. It is also called by some "the center'.
The place is just behind the breastbone. If you will feel in that area (not visualize), you will pull your 'awareness' out of your head. When successful, and it does take practice, you won't now what is going on in your head, because you won't be there. (
After a time, you might here a voice, or see a picture from that place.
It is sometimes called the phone jack of the soul. Though techies give it a URL.
Need more info?
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Response 38 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (00:05) * 5 lines
About the rage so bad to violently murder,
yes, but only towards myself. It is my "heart"
that always stops me, because of what I would
make others feel, not because of what they
would think.
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Response 39 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (00:22) * 2 lines
wer, you're starting to worry me...
are you okay?
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Response 40 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (00:26) * 7 lines
That is another very loaded question,
nick.
Right now, the alcohol and "medicine" is kicking
in, so mellow is starting to rule.
What's you're favorite form of catharsis,
nick?
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Response 41 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (00:38) * 3 lines
that's a loaded question, too...
usually begins with a lady... catharsis can be a tricky thing, though...
must be able to accept it as it is...
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Response 42 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (17:50) * 1 lines
just listening...
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Response 43 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (23:41) * 1 lines
Nope, you're here, join in.
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Response 44 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (23:49) * 1 lines
by all means...
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Response 45 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Dec 9, 1997 (10:11) * 3 lines
not feeling exceptionally wise today actually.
But I am feeling good: in control, and headed in positive directions.
Sometimes its not what you know or who you know... its when you know.
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Response 46 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Tue, Dec 9, 1997 (14:25) * 3 lines
today...i am feeling under the whether....
so i don't think.
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Response 47 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Dec 9, 1997 (18:15) * 1 lines
hope you feel better soon. I know the weather here is pretty durn low. Snow, snow, and more snow with no sunshine (a rarity for Colorado)
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Response 48 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Wed, Dec 10, 1997 (11:26) * 4 lines
Americ
Sometimes big changes in life require the body to shut down a little.
Could be its just change.
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Response 49 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Wed, Dec 10, 1997 (22:05) * 2 lines
think that wisdom comes into play when one knows when to follow the
heart and when to follow the head.
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Response 50 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Dec 10, 1997 (22:27) * 3 lines
hmmm... there are other imperatives, you know...
(and sometimes wisdom is no more than recoginizing one's own fallability)
(and knowing, too, when it's time to get the hell out of Dodge...nowhutimean?)
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Response 51 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Wed, Dec 10, 1997 (22:29) * 1 lines
isn't that what i said? but, haven't lived as long as you =O
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Response 52 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Dec 10, 1997 (22:43) * 1 lines
nor are you likely to, my sweet...
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Response 53 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Wed, Dec 10, 1997 (22:47) * 1 lines
Yikes!
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Response 54 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Thu, Dec 11, 1997 (16:03) * 1 lines
Wisdom is when the heart and the mind are in complete harmony with one another.
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Response 55 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Fri, Dec 12, 1997 (22:28) * 6 lines
Yes...Yeshe...I agree with you
When my mind and heart are in complete harmony
That seems to be wisdom for me these days
This is what I have always wanted the most
all my life
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Response 56 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Sat, Dec 13, 1997 (12:21) * 1 lines
Don't think it can be labeled, It is much more than wisdom isn't it?
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Response 57 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (22:34) * 1 lines
Yes. No words for it.
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Response 58 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (16:46) * 4 lines
Sort of tells us that the really interesting aspects of life have been experienced so rarely, that no words have been put to them yet. At least not in our culture.
Maybe new ideas,words and
dissapearing concepts of duality will change our language,
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Response 59 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (19:15) * 5 lines
Maybe we need to keep on creating new languages
as our experiences get deeper.
That has been one of my interests in Sanskrit over the years.
It has a powerful set of words for states of mind/spirit.
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Response 60 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (20:51) * 1 lines
give us a sample
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Response 61 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Tue, Dec 16, 1997 (20:25) * 14 lines
om tat sat
Could mean:
"you are that"
or
"I am that"
or
"God is THAT."
or
"This is it."
We could spend days on this one..
We could even create a topic around it.
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Response 62 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (13:10) * 1 lines
Could mean all of the above in an integrated sense.
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Response 63 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Thu, Dec 18, 1997 (00:40) * 3 lines
Yes. I think you are on the money, Steve.
(and ... Steve, ...is that Octagon spa still out there in Rimrock?)
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Response 64 of 209: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Thu, Dec 18, 1997 (11:16) * 3 lines
It is as eternal as experience itself. But, still isn't hooked up.
bummer huh. We have more complaints about that....
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Response 65 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Sun, Dec 21, 1997 (15:43) * 4 lines
Sorry to here that.
Perhaps, we did fail, and I include myself, to built true community.
It requires far more wisdom than I have to help make that happen.
IT seems like grace to me when it happens.
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Response 66 of 209: Sinfear (Sinfear) * Fri, Jan 2, 1998 (11:20) * 6 lines
Wisdom, I like how Athena was born from Zeus's head whole and complete
thereby signifying age and a wealth of knowledge. But I also like the idea
of the fear of God in the hebrew texts being the beginning of wisdom, the
awe in the omniscince of a God, for ever, I think meditation is therefore a
key to wisdom, such as what philosphy means love of wisdom and philosophy
takes part in discourses.
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Response 67 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Sat, Jan 3, 1998 (00:48) * 4 lines
Yes...I find most of my own wisdom these days in lots
of quiet time.
And, I find myself saying less and less as time goes on.
"Be still and know..." it is written.
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Response 68 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Sun, Jan 18, 1998 (01:03) * 2 lines
When you are still and know you can observe everything as it really is, true reality. Knowing what true reality is and seeing it, brings wisdom.
AT MOMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Response 69 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Jan 18, 1998 (03:07) * 4 lines
the very idea of being acquainted
with any "true reality" is frightening
as hell...
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Response 70 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Jan 18, 1998 (09:04) * 2 lines
Nice to see ya back, Yeshe!
Even if for just a "moment"!
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Response 71 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Sun, Jan 18, 1998 (13:19) * 1 lines
Why thank you, you are very kind !!! Reality is very scary. But we must face it in oder to accomplish the things that we dream and hope for in life. It can be frightening at times and at other times it is wonderful.
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Response 72 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Jan 18, 1998 (14:38) * 21 lines
as often as i've said-
and others, too-
"poetry is truth"- (and it ought
to be)- what truth
can any man know?
images of life, filtered through
prejudice and expectation;
musings of death- colored by
fear (and very practical implications).
and love- is (even) love
a truth? can it ever really be?
it is not a proveable thing-
a plaintive sigh, a catch of breath-
ephemeral, at best...
but that is the thing-
the crux of it, well proved-
every thing a man holds true
vanishes, in the end
as it had never been...
(i think that's reality)
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Response 73 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Jan 18, 1998 (23:10) * 2 lines
Ahh, trancience, the major theme of every novel of
import, according to my 12th grade English teacher!
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Response 74 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (22:06) * 1 lines
Do you think she was right?
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Response 75 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (22:12) * 1 lines
Of course, but does it really matter?
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Response 76 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (22:25) * 1 lines
What does matter?
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Response 77 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (22:27) * 1 lines
In what context?
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Response 78 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (22:43) * 1 lines
Nick that is a beatiful poem. And I agree poerty can say so much with such little words. And a comment about the end of the poem that everything true to man vanishes, this is quite true. LIfe works in cycles. What may be true to you today may be just a false thought tomorrow.
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Response 79 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (23:14) * 13 lines
the thing is, though, that's all
you can really count on... you can
fill your life with whatever you
wish, love whatever, whomever you
wish, attempt to achieve the same-
and all you can really count on is
that you can't count on anything, for
very long, before it dies...
and i'm not saying that necessarily
detracts from everything else- and
there is much, of course- it's just
that it colors everything, enough,
as it is...
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Response 80 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (23:22) * 1 lines
Nick, this is off the topic, but why do your posts always read as short little sentences?
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Response 81 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (23:37) * 8 lines
hmmm..
not sure what you mean,
autumn... you sure about
that?
(lol!)
(i dunno... maybe it's like
a diminished-capacity kind
of thing...)
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Response 82 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (20:15) * 1 lines
OK you little smart-ass computer geek, I'll figure it out myself! (eventually)
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Response 83 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (22:50) * 7 lines
He got used to talking to Wolf.
She posts like she's in a chat
room, and Nick picked that up
to keep up with her. It's easier
to read and scroll through lots
of responses, also.
Or not...
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Response 84 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Wed, Jan 21, 1998 (09:31) * 5 lines
I have been spending more time in silance
since the holidays. A great thing to "do".
We get flashes of our true nature
below the surface of all the passing things.
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Response 85 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Wed, Jan 21, 1998 (12:01) * 1 lines
The true essence of one's soul will always be the same.
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Response 86 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (16:29) * 4 lines
If the 'true essence' will always be the same...
do you believe in fate?
destiny?
that an individual (or his soul) can be 'bad' as opposed to good?
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Response 87 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (08:41) * 1 lines
*dodging question*
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Response 88 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (09:08) * 1 lines
*throwing question out again*
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Response 89 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (09:10) * 3 lines
*still dodging*
Hiya, sweetie, we're on
at the same time!!!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 90 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Jan 26, 1998 (09:33) * 2 lines
damn, I guess I just missed you last week.
Howya been?
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Response 91 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jan 26, 1998 (15:13) * 1 lines
odd
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Response 92 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Mon, Jan 26, 1998 (15:37) * 1 lines
I do believe in fate and destiny. No soul is born evil. But we are humans not saints. We must over come fate to accomplish our destiny.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 93 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Jan 26, 1998 (17:15) * 2 lines
overcome fate to accomplish our destiny...
Sheesh! Yeshe, that's pretty heavy.
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Response 94 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (16:06) * 1 lines
Ain't it though. There is no way in avoiding our fate. It happens and we get over it. What ever it may be. We benefit from our suffering.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 95 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (16:46) * 2 lines
the old "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger" approach?
I believe that's different from overcoming fate but a difficult proposition in its own right.
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Response 96 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (17:07) * 3 lines
i guess that is true, and beautiful in it's way (the
"high and solitary and most stern" beauty attached to
things we cannot change)... but it really really sucks...
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Response 97 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (17:16) * 1 lines
*smile*
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Response 98 of 209: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (17:04) * 1 lines
Life is beautiful.
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Response 99 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (15:43) * 1 lines
Life is awesome, too.
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Response 100 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (21:01) * 3 lines
miraculous!
(ok, got my two cents in *giggle*)
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Response 101 of 209: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Sun, Feb 1, 1998 (14:13) * 3 lines
The thing is that we keep "forgetting" the wonder of existence
and awareness over and over again.
So we constantly need to remember.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 102 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Feb 1, 1998 (14:52) * 7 lines
don't mean to sound arbitrary, but that is wholly
a matter of perspective... owing entirely to our
lack of understanding... what i'm saying is, isn't
"wonder" an inevitable casualty of introspection?
doesn't it kind of wear off, as we become inured to
what we (believe we) understand?
(maybe it's just me, but i rarely feel that anymore)
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Response 103 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Sun, Feb 1, 1998 (17:44) * 5 lines
nick, I would agree that "the wonder of existence" is purely a matter of perspective and a phrase often used to conjure up emotions of 'not understanding' so we may sit back in wonderment
on the same note, different tone...
I spent the day hiking alone off Mt. Falcon with a borrowed camera. We received several inches of snow last night but the sun was bright and the wind calm. As is often the case, I soon forgot about picture taking and wandered off into my own little existence... and was grateful if not amazed.
*centered smile*
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Response 104 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Feb 3, 1998 (16:07) * 2 lines
Yes, Stacey, I believe an indiviual/soul
can be all good, all bad, or anywhere between.
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Response 105 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Tue, Feb 3, 1998 (17:39) * 2 lines
the soul is the bottom line, it's what we do with the messages it tells us. but as
for wisdom? don't know where mine went, lost it today......
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Response 106 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 4, 1998 (20:50) * 3 lines
"Went into the bar at 3 am,
seeking solace in a bottle,
or possibly a friend..."
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 107 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Feb 4, 1998 (23:44) * 8 lines
"...what help is here?
there is no help, and all these things are so:
and all the world is bitter as a tear.
And how these things are, though
ye strove to show-
she would not know..."
(swinburne)
(i dunno, it just popped in my head)
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Response 108 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (00:00) * 10 lines
"I wake up in the morning and I step outside,
and I take a deap breath and I get real high,
and I scream from the top of my lungs,
'What's going on?'"
Four non blondes, the other was Indigo girls
(i dunno either, same thing, *POP*)
have I driven everyone off with the melacholy, Nick?
figured everyone would be used to it by now...
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Response 109 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (00:52) * 3 lines
no, we're just worried about you... lately,
it's just seemed a little deeper, maybe, than
melancholia... just wanta be sure you're okay...
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 110 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (08:49) * 10 lines
here's the general formula for me...
no sleep plus no food equals depression,
depression plus time to think equals state of assholiness,
I've gotten used to saying whatever on here and it is
hard to remember sometimes that I shouldn't do that,
apologies around, just ignore me next time 'cause it is
not crying for help, or attention, just looking for some
sort of focus and trying to let some of the demons out
as I can only handle a few at a time...I really am sorry
everyone
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 111 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (09:08) * 17 lines
you all are safe, and my largest collection of friends,
being an ass here doesn't screw up going home or
make work worse...I know I've said before that I'm
not a social creature (asocial and antisocial I've got
down though), and a lot of times when I'm being really
crappy there is usually some person that I want to talk
to the most, and when circumstances are such that I
can't, things go even further downhill, I'm very analytical
and shoot for the worst possible scenario so that hopefully
I won't be surprised at how bad I've screwed things up
between us, thus self-fulfilling my own destructive prophesies...
I try sometimes to issue warnings about how screwed up
my thought process is, but lately it has hit me that I'm just
trying to avoid responsibility for my particular sociopathy,
did, however, get back on the vitamins yesterday, and
I think that the two Shiners didn't hurt either...
*smile*
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Response 112 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (11:06) * 3 lines
ah... the Indigo girls.
[Bglad you're on the road to typical abnormalcy, WER!
Lemme know when you need that Rocky Mountain High...
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Response 113 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (11:16) * 2 lines
thanks, Stace...
*wink*
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Response 114 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (16:55) * 4 lines
Think we all get a bit like that wer. Especially when we think things aren't going
the right way (at least what we would like to see). Since I'm a leaper, let me
offer this, always wear a parachute! *wink* Don't jump until you know all the
particulars (like wind, elevation, landing site, and when to pull the cord).......
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 115 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (17:02) * 3 lines
good advice however, I tend to respond more rashly.
at least I'm not prone to leaping out of high flying situations.
Mine is more of a get in the car and see how many state lines you can cross before you have to stop for another Big Gulp
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 116 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (20:27) * 4 lines
well, wer, if you try stacey's way, wear a seatbelt, have plenty of gas, and plenty of bills (NTM, rest areas!)
(Stacey, i don't mean literally leap-can't figure out why folks wanna jump from
perfectly good airplanes)
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Response 117 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (20:31) * 1 lines
Can't imagine wanting to bring that kind of chaos into your life....
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 118 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (20:43) * 4 lines
Have had those urges to get in the car and go. Thank goodness my job sends
me to school twice a year. Love the drive (not being in the car that long) just
being able to drive and stop when I want, listen to what I want, have the
windows all rolled down and singing at the top of my lungs!!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 119 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (20:49) * 1 lines
What kind of work do you do? What kind of training do they send you to--and where?
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Response 120 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (21:09) * 4 lines
(chaos is what's real though, don't you think? everything
else a carefully manipulated illusion... perhaps the thing
to do is learn to, i dunno, appreciate it... like, go with
it... or don't... i dunno...)
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 121 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (21:24) * 4 lines
government contracting, Autumn. Since the field is constantly changing, I go to
classes on a regular basis. March will be Norfolk Virginia.
hi nick
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Response 122 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (21:36) * 2 lines
hi...
what's doin'?
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Response 123 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (21:57) * 1 lines
nut'in honey.....you?
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 124 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (22:06) * 3 lines
uhhh...
i be chillin'...
(velvet underground..."jesus")
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 125 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Thu, Feb 5, 1998 (22:07) * 1 lines
i be's sleepy. changed some stuff at my site, go and check it out, y'all.....
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 126 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (00:22) * 5 lines
Chaos Rules!
Long live Entropy!
(Next time you go, Stacey,
drive by and pick me up...)
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 127 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (12:42) * 4 lines
almost left last night
and, from previous experience, when things get THAT bad they either get much better or I leave.
we're working on much better this morning.
I took your advice (general comment) nick, and let it all out. Nothing saved, nothing reserved, this is how I feel. And oh my...
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Response 128 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (14:58) * 1 lines
(sigh... i hope that's good)
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Response 129 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (17:31) * 3 lines
yeah...
kinda like scrubbing the gravel out of a road rash wound...
gotta be done and you'll feel better for it in... (a couple of weeks?)
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 130 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (19:28) * 7 lines
excellent analogy... to be willing to endure that scrubbing
is indicative of love, or high character (or both)... either
of which elicit envy, 'cause i've not yet been willing/able/
whatever to sit through it... couple of weeks seems a small
price to pay, i guess (though that's easy to say... the gravel's
not imbedded in me)... godspeed to you, ms vura... hope you come
out of the other side of this thing soon...)
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Response 131 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (19:32) * 1 lines
hi
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Response 132 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (19:37) * 1 lines
(you say that now...)
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Response 133 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (19:39) * 1 lines
(yeah, what're you hiding behind your back?)
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Response 134 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (19:49) * 1 lines
(everything i can)
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Response 135 of 209: Wolf (Wolf) * Fri, Feb 6, 1998 (19:58) * 1 lines
heehee
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Response 136 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Sun, Feb 8, 1998 (21:07) * 4 lines
thanks nick.
for the kind words
and kind thoughts.
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Response 137 of 209: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Feb 8, 1998 (22:23) * 1 lines
(any time)
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Response 138 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Sat, May 9, 1998 (05:05) * 9 lines
HI! My name is Riėtte - I've only been going in to the Brontė conference, but
I enjoy outrageous philosophical talk, so here's my opinion on wisdom:
It can simply not exist. I think wisdom has a great deal to do with honesty with
oneself, and this honesty is a very inconsistent character trait in even the best of
people. Wisdom must therefore be an illusion, created by those who speak great words, and seem authorotative, who drown their ignorance in impressive words and gestures, thereby having their ignorance seem wise judgement to
others.
Honesty can exist some of the time if we accept the challenge it presents, but
wisdom is beyond our human capabilities.
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Response 139 of 209: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Sat, May 9, 1998 (08:46) * 6 lines
i like the view that wisdom has a great deal to do with honesty with oneself
but i disagree about it being a very inconsistent character trait. it
is a character trait that one must work hard to strive for but it is
aattainable. perhaps striving for that trait has something to do with
becoming a wise person.
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Response 140 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, May 9, 1998 (10:39) * 2 lines
in some circles, Riette, your pronouncement on wisdom above
would itself be considered wise...
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Response 141 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Sat, May 9, 1998 (14:07) * 4 lines
My first response is to Ray:
Ray, are you honest with yourself all the time?
If you are, I hereby declare that you must be an angel or some other kind of unwordly creature. I too strive for honesty, and though I am honest with others - because I dread my being found false and perfidious by others, I am far too human to be honest with myself all the time. Therefore I posess no wisdom.
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Response 142 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Sat, May 9, 1998 (14:09) * 3 lines
TO Wer:
If you happen to be one of those who might consider my pronouncement on wisdom wise, then I am sure that all I have written, and all you have written in response is merely a fragment of your imagination . . .
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 143 of 209: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Sat, May 9, 1998 (22:50) * 4 lines
no, i'm not honest with myself all the time. but, i try, and i think about
it all the time, and i think i know most of the times when i am *not*
being honest with myself. the contemplative life is the wise life.
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Response 144 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, May 9, 1998 (23:30) * 4 lines
inre #142:
that's as valid a belief as any other...
now if I could just get everyone who believes that I exist to stop,
I might get caught up on my sleep...
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Response 145 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Sun, May 10, 1998 (02:41) * 6 lines
You guys have to stop 'coming' two at a time . . . you flatter me, and I don't like flattery - there's another topic for discussion; I shall go open it.
Anyway, Ray, I admire you your contemplative life, but it merely proves you to be a good and virtuous person, not neccessarily wise. A question: Are you honest because you enjoy it (which is essentially against our human nature) or because you want to plant your mind above injuries? Be honest with yourself now . . .
WER, some persons, when something is beyond their reach will present the matter in an impertinent or curious light, and so would have their ignorance seem wise judgement . . .
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Response 146 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, May 12, 1998 (21:33) * 1 lines
I am wise enough to know that there are times when it does not behoove me to be honest with myself.
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Response 147 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, May 12, 1998 (22:02) * 1 lines
excellent point...
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Response 148 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Wed, May 13, 1998 (00:53) * 1 lines
You mean you are sensible enough . . .
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Response 149 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Wed, May 13, 1998 (11:33) * 1 lines
What is wise and what is sensible is often the same, no?
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Response 150 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Wed, May 13, 1998 (12:43) * 3 lines
Uh-Uh.
What is sensible and rational is often the same. There is no such thing as wisdom, remember?
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Response 151 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Wed, May 13, 1998 (17:27) * 1 lines
Oh, that's your reality....or doesn't that exist, either?
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Response 152 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Thu, May 14, 1998 (00:19) * 3 lines
SURE it does - but I'm not wise enough to prove it.
How do you define wisdom, Autumn?
Great thoughts, great words/deeds?
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Response 153 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Thu, May 14, 1998 (18:44) * 1 lines
Following my intuition.
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Response 154 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Fri, May 15, 1998 (01:08) * 4 lines
Sounds good . . . in theory. I can more or less believe that following their
intuition can work for some people - and you sound a sensible one.
Frankly, my intuition frightens me!
I tend to rely on what the head says - and even that turns out to be a disasterous decision at times!
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Response 155 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Sun, May 17, 1998 (21:57) * 1 lines
Wow--you can't rely on your reason or your intuition? Bummer!
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Response 156 of 209: Riette Walton (SKAT) * Mon, May 18, 1998 (00:49) * 7 lines
Nope.
I try to rely on reason most of the time, but often emotions get in the way. And
if I think, ah, perhaps I should now rely on my intuition, the warning signals start
flickering in my head, and I switch to auto-pilot - reasoning.
I suppose that is why wisdom cannot exist for me - I mean, if one can't even
decide when to follow the heart or when to follow the head, then one cannot possiply be wise.
Do you always, always rely on your intiution, Autumn? How do you manage it - I mean, how do you know it is 'right'? Or am I too obsessed with what is right and what is wrong?
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 157 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (20:12) * 1 lines
I think I must be a naturally intuitive person and am very atune to auras. I cannot explain the process of knowing what to embrace and what to avoid.
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Response 158 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, May 27, 1998 (06:15) * 4 lines
And so what are the rest of us supposed to do?
How do we know when to follow the heart or when to follow the head?
How can the mind know when to follow the heart or when to follow itself?
I mean, if the mind follows the heart, does this not mean the mind denying itself? And how can the heart follow the mind without abandoning feeling?
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Response 159 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, May 27, 1998 (08:28) * 1 lines
compromise.
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Response 160 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, May 27, 1998 (12:42) * 1 lines
You mean doing things halfheartedly and with half a mind??
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Response 161 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, May 27, 1998 (12:43) * 1 lines
At the same time?
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Response 162 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, May 27, 1998 (12:43) * 4 lines
no. not at all. do you and Mr. C often agree on everything to the same extent? Do you ever have to bend in one area to be compensated in another.
Sometimes you have to use your head to know that it is time to think with your heart. Sometimes, you have to use your heart to really figure out what the result will have on your head.
They are too interrelated (in me anyway) to separate fully.
I do tend to think with my heart but my head knows that this is my tendency and can step in when disaster strikes.
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Response 163 of 209: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Wed, May 27, 1998 (12:43) * 1 lines
I like the way you put that, Stacey.
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Response 164 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Thu, May 28, 1998 (00:49) * 2 lines
Yes, perhaps that's where my problem lies - I tend to draw a clear, straight line between the two, THEREBY denying the one or the other. And therefore often make the wrong decisions. Can't believe I was unable to figure that out for myself - moron!
Thanks, Stacey!
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Response 165 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Sat, May 30, 1998 (18:39) * 2 lines
Your welcome Riette, I think.
(glad you're back)
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Response 166 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Sun, May 31, 1998 (00:44) * 1 lines
Yeah, me too - just feel sorry for the rest of you.
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Response 167 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jun 4, 1998 (19:30) * 1 lines
why would that be, Riette?
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Response 168 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (05:37) * 1 lines
Oh, I don't have to explain, do I, Wer?
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Response 169 of 209: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (07:53) * 1 lines
nope
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Response 170 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (09:16) * 2 lines
is it wisdom or intuition, or something completely different, that helps us interact with those we care for most?
(for if it is either, I am surely lacking)
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 171 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (10:57) * 4 lines
Why do you say that, Stacey? You seem to interact with people just fine - or
have storm clouds gathered over the Vura-household again?
I don't think wisdom plays ANY role in relationships - if it did we'd be
sitting in a pit of desperation ALL the time, not just some of the time. I think it must be the very fact that we care that helps us interact - but don't take advice from me please, I'm a real bummer at interacting at the moment, as I think you might have noticed . . .
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Response 172 of 209: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (13:34) * 2 lines
an honest question...
and perhaps a storm or two brewing...
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 173 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (15:48) * 3 lines
Well, it happens.
Sometimes it just has to.
But I'm still sorry to hear that.
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Response 174 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Sun, Nov 22, 1998 (20:22) * 5 lines
Riette, wisdom plays an important role in any relationship. You have a lot of wisdom. It might be easier for you to understand this, if I give you another
name for wisdom: "Common Sense".
When a person's time comes they have to die! There, THAT is the only thing that
HAS to happen. Everything else is changeable.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 175 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (01:20) * 1 lines
Do you think that it is because everything is so changeable that one is never satisfied with anything?
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Response 176 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (01:38) * 3 lines
YES!!! The grass is always greener. By the way the grass is greener works on
cattle. If you want them to eat something that they don't particularly like,
put it just outside the fence. they will eat it all.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 177 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (07:30) * 1 lines
That is also the best way to ride a donkey. You bind some carrots on a stick, get onto its back, and hold the stick so that the carrots dangle in front of it's nose, but just out of reach. Then you just point the stick to where you want to go, and off you go! It really really works!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 178 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (12:00) * 1 lines
Unless the donkey gets mad at you. and decides to get you off his back.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 179 of 209: Leplep le Plep (jgross) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (13:09) * 2 lines
That's what happened with my donkey.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 180 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Nov 24, 1998 (01:22) * 3 lines
He only threw you off, because you gave him cooked carrots, Jim!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 181 of 209: Leplep le Plep (jgross) * Tue, Nov 24, 1998 (12:33) * 9 lines
After he threw me off, he came over to me and put his 2
hind hoofs on my chest and
started pressing down, so it was hard for me to get these words out, "Now
I feel like a cooked carrot."
He pooped on me.
My face didn't like that.
But he left me alone and walked off and away towards Hawaii or North Korea or
Netscape.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 182 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (01:37) * 1 lines
Well, may he get blown up by a volcano for doing that! You shouldn't let donkeys DO that to you, Jim. Next time you have to be ready for him! The question is: what will you use for amunition? Remember, this is poop you're up against!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 183 of 209: Leplep le Plep (jgross) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (11:07) * 5 lines
down against.
wish I coulda gotten up.
donkeys sure can put alotta oomph weight on their hind legs.
and boy do they move fast when they gotta take a poop.
I am glad I didn't have my big fat mouth open at the time.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 184 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (11:10) * 1 lines
Eugh! What a picture. Kick the damn donkey's ar$e! That'll teach him!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 185 of 209: God's own Satanist (KitchenManager) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (15:43) * 1 lines
or get you knee deep in more $hit...
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 186 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Thu, Nov 26, 1998 (01:01) * 1 lines
Better watch it, Riette, Donkeys kick back.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 187 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Thu, Nov 26, 1998 (06:22) * 1 lines
I'd rather be kicked that $hite upon!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 188 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Thu, Nov 26, 1998 (06:23) * 3 lines
I mean:
I'd rather be kicked THAN $hat upon!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 189 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Thu, Nov 26, 1998 (21:35) * 1 lines
What about being kicked into the manure, Riette?
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 190 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (01:22) * 1 lines
Nope, that would not appeal. I'll make sure I'm facing a chocolate fountain.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 191 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (01:29) * 1 lines
Riette, just make sure that it is the right kind of chocolate.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 192 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (15:33) * 1 lines
As long as it's sweet, I don't care about right or wrong.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 193 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (15:51) * 1 lines
Ok Riette! let me rephrase that. Make sure that what looks like chocolate, IS.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 194 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Nov 28, 1998 (00:55) * 1 lines
Well, I'd HAVE to taste it one way or the other - I'll let myself be surprised!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 195 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Sat, Nov 28, 1998 (01:12) * 1 lines
UGH!! What a surprise, Riette!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 196 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Nov 28, 1998 (15:00) * 1 lines
As long as it's a surprise! Won't go for something rough textured - one musn't go LOOKING for $hit! So to speak....
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 197 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Sat, Nov 28, 1998 (15:06) * 1 lines
Good point, Riette, It pays to have a positive attitude.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 198 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Nov 30, 1998 (01:35) * 1 lines
ha-ha! What now? Do you have any philosophy regarding wisdom? Or does wisdom lie in the experimenting with foolish things?
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 199 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Mon, Nov 30, 1998 (01:41) * 2 lines
WoW what Insight Riette. I do have a belief about wisdom, that it's common sense
and the second half of your answer would also apply.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 200 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Nov 30, 1998 (01:41) * 1 lines
That despite knowing it's wrong one should try it anyway, just to be sure?
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 201 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Mon, Nov 30, 1998 (01:41) * 1 lines
Riette, the only thing that is guaranteed not to work, is something that was not tried. sometimes the most ridiculous things work.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 202 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Dec 1, 1998 (01:37) * 1 lines
I like that! Next time somebody calls me impulsive, I'll assume he means wise!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 203 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Tue, Dec 1, 1998 (01:43) * 1 lines
Well, Riette, you know what they say about assume!!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 204 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Dec 2, 1998 (01:09) * 1 lines
What do they say about assume? You assumed it was a fart, but it turned out solid?
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 205 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Wed, Dec 2, 1998 (01:27) * 1 lines
Riette, Look!! Assume= ASS U ME
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 206 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Dec 2, 1998 (11:27) * 1 lines
I don't DO that, Tim!!! I'll never assume anything ever again if you're going to put it THAT way! I've learned my lesson!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 207 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Wed, Dec 2, 1998 (11:47) * 1 lines
Riette, I was only kidding with you. But that is what they say.
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 208 of 209: Riette Walton (riette) * Thu, Dec 3, 1998 (00:29) * 1 lines
I know! But how true! That's the frightening bit!
Topic 3 of 38 [philosophy]: Wisdom...What is it?
Response 209 of 209: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Thu, Dec 3, 1998 (00:46) * 1 lines
Well, Riette, I've had it thrown in my face a couple of times.
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