Topic 9 of 38: To talk or not to talk?
Fri, Nov 28, 1997 (14:00) |
Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe)
Talking is a great way to express one self. A question to ponder.
Do we need that form of communication when we are in the bright?
Is that communication which then when in the bright needed for
are own benefit or for others own benefit?
53 responses total.
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Response 1 of 53: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Fri, Nov 28, 1997 (15:33) * 1 lines
Tell me more about this phrase "in the bright".
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Response 2 of 53: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Fri, Nov 28, 1997 (16:08) * 3 lines
At the moment I am getting ready for work. A quick explanation of
what I feel "in the bright" means is total contentment and complete
happiness with one self at all times.
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Response 3 of 53: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Nov 29, 1997 (00:29) * 7 lines
Ok, Yeshe, here is my statement in
response to yours from the intros topic:
Why does it have to only benefit one?
Why not both, especially when in the
bright benefitting another would be
benefitting ourself?
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Response 4 of 53: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Sat, Nov 29, 1997 (04:46) * 1 lines
I completely agree with you, kicthen manager. You can not be an enlightened soul by yourself. That is not possible. A hermit is not a happy man.
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Response 5 of 53: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Sat, Nov 29, 1997 (11:43) * 8 lines
it does seem
to me
that in becoming happy one's self
we make a contribution to the happiness of all
and, yet, as we do that we have greater compassion
for all the souls that are in suffering
yeshe -- you must be a bodisattva
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Response 6 of 53: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Sat, Nov 29, 1997 (12:28) * 2 lines
Speak from the heart (soul), and the whole world listens and wonders.
Speak from the ego, and you can be very popular.
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Response 7 of 53: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Mon, Dec 1, 1997 (18:52) * 5 lines
Being in the bright is a beautiful cycle.......
Brightness rubs from one to another, creating love amougst us all.
And coming to a completion when we are all as one...
I was told those who give love, recieve love.....
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Response 8 of 53: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Mon, Dec 1, 1997 (18:58) * 8 lines
Yes, such a blessing!
Somedays, when I am down.
I find the greatest blessing is someone in the Bright.
They may be someone just passing by on the street.
Their state of mind passes over to me.
And, I feel blessed and reminded
of the joy-bliss that was already inside of me.
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Response 9 of 53: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Tue, Dec 2, 1997 (21:46) * 5 lines
Yeshe,
Who's to say a hermit is really alone.
Isn't that the time when we can really get in touch???
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Response 10 of 53: Yeshe Anne Azevedo (yeshe) * Wed, Dec 3, 1997 (21:57) * 1 lines
But to much time alone, leaves a man withdrawn from others.
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Response 11 of 53: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (10:31) * 1 lines
Are you saying twenty years in the desert is not (ultimately) a good thing?
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Response 12 of 53: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (14:15) * 2 lines
We are social animals.
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Response 13 of 53: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (16:07) * 6 lines
I agree that outwardly we are social.
But inwardly, in (apparent) solitude there can be a different connection.
Some people enjoy solitude to uncover that connection.
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Response 14 of 53: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Dec 5, 1997 (18:21) * 1 lines
we are social animals but every so often I have to be alone to remember who I am.
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Response 15 of 53: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Fri, Dec 5, 1997 (18:56) * 1 lines
yeah, I think solitude can be vastly undervalued...
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Response 16 of 53: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Dec 5, 1997 (19:40) * 1 lines
not today as I sit in my empty classroom at 5:30pm!!!
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Response 17 of 53: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Fri, Dec 5, 1997 (23:31) * 9 lines
Hey Stacey,
Are you not who you are... all of the time?
Maybe you need to be alone to remember who you were.
To see that you have changed and grown.
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Response 18 of 53: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sat, Dec 6, 1997 (22:02) * 2 lines
how very...profound.
(and Stacey- do you, like, remember you're Stacey today, or what?:))
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Response 19 of 53: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (00:00) * 4 lines
I'll bite...
I am very rarely able to be who I am,
and even less of the time who I prefer
to be.
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Response 20 of 53: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (00:02) * 1 lines
who is it you prefer to be, wer?
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Response 21 of 53: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (00:07) * 2 lines
My fingers would cramp before I was half done,
nick...
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Response 22 of 53: Americ Azevedo (americ) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (12:57) * 8 lines
In the SILANCE we are really
all the same.
Personal identity is mostly the accidents of history.
But what is below THAT
which is found in silance
is not any of the things we do or think.
So I think to say this morning.
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Response 23 of 53: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (17:29) * 4 lines
In the silence
is the unjudged experience
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Response 24 of 53: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (20:22) * 2 lines
In the silence, all of the voices
can be heard more easisly...
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Response 25 of 53: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (20:33) * 1 lines
which can be either good, or bad...
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Response 26 of 53: Steven Garrett (Estaben) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (14:27) * 3 lines
Wer
I've only heard one voice in there... Do you hear more than one, or do you speak of voices from outside?
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Response 27 of 53: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (15:47) * 1 lines
More than one...
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Response 28 of 53: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (17:57) * 2 lines
I am many people, all of them me, all of the time. But, in truth, I am different person with different people and really enjoy finding the woman who I am alone in her own solitide.
Make sense?
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Response 29 of 53: Wolf (Wolf) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (21:50) * 3 lines
Yes, that does make sense. We all have our different sides and depending the
situation we are in and/or the people involved, helps us decide which side to put
forth. Maybe it has to do with self-protection and the need to feel safe.
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Response 30 of 53: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (21:53) * 1 lines
yeah, very much (sense, i mean)...
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Response 31 of 53: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (21:55) * 2 lines
hey... you again...
did you spam me?
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Response 32 of 53: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Sun, Nov 22, 1998 (21:15) * 2 lines
All of this talk of different sides, and different people makes me wonder, which
is the truth. Or is there a true side. Or are they all just masks.
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Response 33 of 53: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Dec 7, 1998 (19:09) * 7 lines
Everybody's got a mask,
not just here,
in cyberspace,
but everywhere.
Masks are people's defenses, people's self-images, people's egos...
Tim, you have a mask like all the rest of us.
And I'm sure you have a true side as well.
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Response 34 of 53: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Mon, Dec 7, 1998 (20:48) * 1 lines
You are right Stacey. The mask is a shield. Used to keep enemies out.
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Response 35 of 53: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Dec 10, 1998 (13:33) * 1 lines
or at least those perceived as enemies
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Response 36 of 53: T Patrick McCourt (PT) * Thu, Dec 10, 1998 (15:57) * 1 lines
That is the trouble with using a mask. It often distorts the vision. Both ways.
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Response 37 of 53: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Apr 19, 1999 (12:54) * 1 lines
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Response 38 of 53: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Mon, Apr 19, 1999 (13:24) * 1 lines
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Response 39 of 53: God's own Satanist (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (13:14) * 1 lines
How does one talk in such a way that it is not taken as an attack?
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Response 40 of 53: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (15:43) * 9 lines
the short answer: very carefully ;)
the long answer: there are actually entire works that are devoted to
that topic. it is an interesting mix of body language, facial expression,
voice inflections, choice of words, present situation, and past history.
any specific examples/situations you'd like to talk about william?
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Response 41 of 53: God's own Satanist (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (16:13) * 1 lines
no...you pretty much covered it...
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Response 42 of 53: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (16:22) * 9 lines
Wer and Ray - if you find the all-working answer on that, be sure to get the rights and sell it to the UN.
It depends on the talkers abilities, and the talked-to person's set of perceptions.
As the first varies from person to person, and also in one person according to different influences (tiredness, bloodsugar level, intoxication, neurological and psychiatric limitations, etc.) and the other depends on the given, plus social influences (the set of communication forms trainined in the environment the person was raised in), all is constantly in a kind of free fall.
You tumble, see unwanted impact, withdraw, evade undesired contexts,...
Basically, fair communication is a thing that is only possible in a philosophical way.
But there is something more to this, something one can learn.
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Response 43 of 53: God's own Satanist (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (16:25) * 1 lines
or at least someone should learn...
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Response 44 of 53: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Sat, Apr 24, 1999 (09:15) * 13 lines
Sometimes I hate this &%$§§$"!??'*!§-crap!
I wrote a really useful note, and it wouldn't submit, and I didn't cut & paste it to save it with e.g. the Notepad for Pete's sake, and then the whole box STOPPED!
In short: stop conversation. Freeze topic.
Do NOT continue this path, side-step and start a discussion on the former discussion (not on the topic, but on the exchange of arguments, possible misunderstandings and wrong assumptions).
Do what's called a *Meta-conversation*. It's not about you. It's not about the other person. Not about the issue you were originally talking about.
It's all about the manner in which you conversed, and how to resolve communicational and emotional roadblocks. Mistakes and low-blows you dealt or felt served by the other party. Try to strip the former discussion from offenses and offended feelings. Rationalize your and the other person's feelings. Get possible "hurt issues" resolved.
Note: In most cases, it may be more in your own interest to keep social and emotional ties to the other party intact, than to win an argument.
(Disclaimer: I do not guarantee anybody that this works. Don't hold me responsible if things don't work out. It's your life, and your free choice of steps. More or less, anyway.)
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Response 45 of 53: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Apr 24, 1999 (10:36) * 3 lines
Alexander, why don't you ask terry to set you up a telnet account? It's faster than using the web interface and also you don't have the horrible problem of losing everything after you press "Submit" (something that used to plague me a lot!)
you could probably email wer as well and ask him to set it up
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Response 46 of 53: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Sat, Apr 24, 1999 (11:26) * 3 lines
i could set it up for you if you want, alexander.
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Response 47 of 53: God's own Satanist (KitchenManager) * Sat, Apr 24, 1999 (12:10) * 1 lines
it's set-up now, your password is in the mail...
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Response 48 of 53: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Sat, Apr 24, 1999 (15:38) * 1 lines
No, I want Ray to do something for me! He just screwed me up once, and you do that all the time! Give the young folk a chance!
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Response 49 of 53: God's own Satanist (KitchenManager) * Sat, Apr 24, 1999 (23:32) * 1 lines
too late...(what happened to teaching old dogs new tricks?)
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Response 50 of 53: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Sun, Apr 25, 1999 (03:45) * 1 lines
(From what I heard, the trainer got shot, and the dog retired. Lives in Florida now. Guess that figures.)
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Response 51 of 53: God's own Satanist (KitchenManager) * Tue, Apr 27, 1999 (22:14) * 1 lines
(yep)
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Response 52 of 53: Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Aug 25, 1999 (20:03) * 3 lines
Two schools of thought: If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
and You can keep silent and make them wonder if you are stupid, or you can
open your mouth and remove all doubt. Sounds like we need a third school!
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Response 53 of 53: Master of the Universe (cfadm) * Fri, Jun 18, 2004 (05:31) * 1 lines
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