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Topic 40 of 63: Greece (Griechenland)

Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (14:01) | Alexander (aschuth)

138 responses total.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 1 of 138: Isabel  (Isabel) * Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (14:08) * 1 lines 
never been there, sorry!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 2 of 138: Isabel  (Isabel) * Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (14:10) * 1 lines 
but I love the music of mikis theodorakis! and globe artichokes!!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 3 of 138: Isabel  (Isabel) * Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (14:15) * 3 lines 
...just put the music from the film "Zorba the Greek" on the player...

Thanks for reminding me Alexander! *smile*

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 4 of 138: Isabel  (Isabel) * Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (14:21) * 2 lines 
Rembetiko makes me sad and what does "fernweh" mean in english? The opposite of homesick?

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 5 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (17:02) * 1 lines 
Telesickness? Distance-illness? Riette, help!

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 Response 6 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (19:19) * 1 lines 
Are you sure you don't just like smashing dinner plates? (Really not a rock group like smashing pumpkins, but a lot less messy!)

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 7 of 138: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Oct 20, 1999 (06:09) * 3 lines 
'Fernweh' is wanderlust, istn't it?

And HA-HA, Marcia! I like both!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 8 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Wed, Oct 20, 1999 (11:09) * 3 lines 
"Wanderlust" - what a strange word! Never heard it - sounds like a pre-20th-century germanism. I know Reiselust, but Fernweh was more the longing-flavor. Longing to be somewhere else, going places... It's not like "enjoying to be on the road", it's "wishing one could get on the road". Like me and my boat...

Actually, the description as opposite of homesickness is very good. And I suffer from it often.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 9 of 138: Autumn   (autumn) * Wed, Oct 20, 1999 (22:18) * 1 lines 
Not me. No wanderlust in my blood.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 10 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Oct 20, 1999 (22:41) * 1 lines 
Call it the anthesis of Cabin Fever or whatever, I think we all have it somewhere deep down. Curiosity about what lies beyond that far mountain...and all that! My eldest sister had it so severely we never heard from her except the odd postcard from some obscure corner of the world.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 11 of 138: Isabel  (Isabel) * Thu, Oct 21, 1999 (12:35) * 2 lines 
I would love to be somewhere else, now. Just fleeing from work, somewhere warm and sunny.....Drinking red wine, listening to wonderful music...
I want to get outa here!!!!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 12 of 138: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Oct 21, 1999 (13:32) * 1 lines 
I AM fleeing from work tomorrow. To a little country hotel in the mountains until Sunday. I read about a 750m long slide near this place (Kanderstegg), and the girls thoroughly agree that we MUST go try it out - you know, to see if it works and all. I CAN HARDLY WAIT!!!!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 13 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Oct 21, 1999 (14:12) * 1 lines 
Nothing like an educational field trip to relax the mind and body. I can hear the screams as you plummet earthward on your slippery way down...enjoy!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 14 of 138: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (13:12) * 8 lines 
It was SO COOL!!! The sweetest hotel with bunkbeds for the kids and 4 course meals, and there was a Fhn, so it was warm and sunny, and we went on the slide until the money was all gone. And, wow, it was so BEAUTIFUL going up the mountain in a chair lift! The surrounding mountain tops were all snowy and everything was quiet and peaceful, except for the kids singing loudly on the way:

'Twinkle twinkle little star
how I wonder what you are
up above the clouds so high,
like a DINO in the sky...'

I always love that bit!!!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 15 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (14:41) * 1 lines 
Like a DINO in the sky?!!! *lol* Kids are so inventive they did not notice the difference. Perhaps in the zodiac of the future they will put one there. I am glad you had such a great time. I am a huge fan of slides - always have been, in fact...!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 16 of 138: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (15:49) * 8 lines 
Greece was beautiful!
Of course we only stayed within the Cycladic Islands but...
One full day in Athina to take in the grandeur of the Acropolis and the Botanical Gardens (that weren't SO bontanical but FULL of kitties!) and then a plane to Santorini (Thira). We stayed just outside the town of Thira and gave ourselves a ten minute walk to get into town each day.
Everything is the whitest of white stucco and the sea is translucent azure...
The water was cool and the days were warm. Food and music were wonderful and we really only spent time enjoying each other's company and the wonder of our happy and fortunate existance... together.
More more more to tell, different islands, different beaches... but I am trying diligently to catch up at work...

pictures will certainly follow but we only arrived home at 1am this morning...

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 17 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (15:52) * 3 lines 
Ah, this answers my question in B&B.

Congratulations to you and Mr. B! And welcome back home!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 18 of 138: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (16:04) * 2 lines 
Thank you and thank you!
And, based on the travel record for the year thus far... we'll be back in Germany within the next year! This time we'll make it a formal date!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 19 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (16:09) * 3 lines 
Or maybe better that time, I guess. This time I wasn't there, no?

(confused as always)

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 20 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (16:11) * 1 lines 
OOOOoooh! A *D A T E* ! Whew! With me?

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 21 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (16:12) * 1 lines 
But, ew! You'll bring that, that - other guy along, no?

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 22 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (16:14) * 1 lines 
Guess that's what you going off and marrying gets us...

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 23 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (16:15) * 1 lines 

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 24 of 138: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Oct 26, 1999 (03:46) * 1 lines 
Stacey, don't you DARE come to Germany without seeing me! Fly via Zrich or something, okay??

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 25 of 138: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Tue, Oct 26, 1999 (10:01) * 4 lines 
of course we will...
I've already informed my husband (!!) that a visit to you is of utmost importance next time we're anywhere near Europe!

BTW... we'll probably be in Nice, France next August (business for him of course...)

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 26 of 138: Autumn   (autumn) * Tue, Oct 26, 1999 (19:37) * 1 lines 
And we're having an IRL in July out West, woo-hoo!! Congratulations, Mrs. Tinianov!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 27 of 138: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (09:05) * 4 lines 
Stacey, let us know if Ree Ree is all she is cracked up to be, or is
beyond our wildest expectations, ok?

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 28 of 138: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (13:01) * 1 lines 

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 29 of 138: Mrs. T  (stacey) * Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (13:01) * 5 lines 
Well I don't think we'll be trying those things with each other Paul!


 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 30 of 138: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (13:02) * 1 lines 
Though I pretty good at doing 'cracked up'!!! ha-ha!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 31 of 138: Ginny  (vibrown) * Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (01:49) * 8 lines 
Anyone still here?

I went to Greece for three weeks with my parents and brother; a real family vacation! We had some interesting moments, as can be expected, but it was a fantastic trip overall!

We spent a few days in Athens, touring the Acropolis, and wandering around Plaka and Monastiraki. We then took a 4-day land tour of Classical Greece, including Corinth, Epidavros, Mycenae, Olympia, and Delphi. (I think we were a bit "ruin-ed out" by the end of that tour, but it was amazing to see all the places I'd read about.)

Then we took a 7-day cruise around the islands, including Santorini, Crete, Rhodos, Patmos, and Mykonos, as well as Ephesus and Istanbul (Constantinople) in Turkey. We then spent 3 days on the island of Mitilini (Lesvos) looking up some relatives and the places our family came from. We finally ended up in Glyfada, enjoying the night clubs. (But they don't throw dishes anymore...just flowers!)

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 32 of 138: Alexander  (aschuth) * Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (03:42) * 5 lines 
Great! Sound like something I could use right now!

Hey, "Brown" don't sound like one of the old Lesvos-names to me...?

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 33 of 138: Ginny  (vibrown) * Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (00:44) * 4 lines 
My friends sometimes call me "Brownopoulos"... ;-)

Blame it on my grandfather. He changed the name from Papaharalampus to Brown when he got his citizenship papers. (It would have been too easy to shorten it to Papas, like everyone else, I guess!) The story I heard was that he replaced a baker named Brown, and everyone just started calling him "Brown the Baker".

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 34 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (16:37) * 1 lines 
I didn't know that! I am grateful for little things - like the name Brown!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 35 of 138: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (16:53) * 1 lines 
My maternal grandfather was born on Cyprus but considered himself Greek. Grandad's family name was Karageanes. My mother is named Cleopatra, no kidding. I'm Cleopatra's daughter, more precisely I'm the daughter of a Cleopatra. Actually it is a Greek name meaning "fame of her father". Mom, a woman of little fame except to us who know and love her, goes by Cleo, which simply means "fame".

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 36 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (17:10) * 1 lines 
The Ptolemy line persists on Spring. I had no idea... but I AM honored!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 37 of 138: Autumn   (autumn) * Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (21:41) * 1 lines 
That sounds like an awesome vacation, Ginny!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 38 of 138: Ginny  (vibrown) * Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (11:48) * 10 lines 
A name like Brown is easy to spell, but it's such a BORING name. My mother tried to get my father to take her name (Pavlis) when they got married, but he wouldn't hear of it. At least it would have been a Greek name! The funny thing is that most of the family spells it "Pavlis", except for one branch which spells it "Pavles" (one brother decided to be different, I guess).

Great names, Cheryl! There are many ethnic Greeks in Cyprus. (Not that I want to bring up the Cyprus issue!!) I know another Greek woman named Cleo, but I don't know if it's short for Cleopatra or not. Interesting...I didn't know that Cleo means fame. I wish I had learned more Greek when my grandmother was trying to teach me!

As far as I know, all my family was from the islands of Lesvos and Limnos. Three of my grandparents were from Lesvos (2 from Mitilini and 1 from Ayiassos). My maternal grandmother (the one I was named after) was born in the US, but I think her mother was from Limnos and her father was from Lesvos.

Yes, my trip to Greece was awesome! We were pretty tired by the end of it, but we were really glad we went. It was amazing to finally see the places my grandparents always talked about, and going as a family made it even more special.

For anyone interested in archaeology, the land tour of Classical Greece is a must. The cruise around the islands was wonderful, especially after being on a bus for 4 days; we were thrilled to not have to pack our bags every night.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 39 of 138: Ginny  (vibrown) * Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (22:16) * 23 lines 
Here are some Greek links I've found. Enjoy!, Internet Guide to Greece, Ellada on the Web, Greek Kiosk - News and more, Database of Greek Web Resources, Tourist Guide of Greece, Hellenic Public Radio, Greek Embassy, Hellenic Electronic Center, Hellenic Resources Network, American Hellenic Educational Progressive Association, Vryonis Center for the Study of Hellenism, Hellas On Line - Greek Pages, Hellenic Association of Princeton, Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, Orthodox Christian Foundation, Orthodox Church in America, Voithia (GOAL), Greek Songs Database, Greek midi songs, Greek Music Page

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 40 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Aug 24, 2001 (21:38) * 25 lines 
Time to get this topic going again. Ginny-the-Greek from Boston seems to have gone missing but I will get her back here. Wait till I tell her I have someone who REALLY can translate Greek to English.

Giannis, this is for you.... another place on Spring to waste your precious time!

Meanwhile, with his daughter's upcoming wedding so soon, I checked into Greek libations:


Retsina is a 100% Greek product. It is not produced in any other part of the world except
Greece. Made for more than 3,000 years, this traditional Greek wine has been resinated
treated with pine-tree resin. The resin gives the wine a distinctively sappy taste.
Today, Retsina is produced in almost all parts of Greece, but the best is considered that of
Retsinas are either white or rose and should be served cold. Retsina is ideal as an
accompaniment for all types of Greek cuisine. Like most Greek beverages, it is undeniably at
its best when combined with Greek foods, especially the savory mezedes served as
Some people, mostly non-Greeks, say that Retsina, is an acquired taste. Some other, say
that Retsina has a flavor as "sappy and turpentine like".
We challenge you to try it! Because if you don't, you will never know what you are missing!
The best is to try it in its native environment. Maybe then, you may well respond to it like a
true Greek!


 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 41 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Sep  1, 2001 (15:42) * 5 lines 
I noted that above there are great links Ginny posted a while back. Meanwhile, I have been told there are other celebratory things to drink other that retsina.
(My Greek connections are VERY good and even more charming...*sigh*)
I am off to do some sampling and checking. Will post when I can see straight again!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 42 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 17, 2001 (21:40) * 14 lines 
More goodies about Greece from the estimable John of Volos.
To paraphrase him:

*In Greece they are many special restaurants that
serve OUZO (they are named OUZERI) or TSIPOURO (they
are named TSIPOURADIKO). With OUZO or TSIPOURO serve
sea delicacies. Also, they are popular restaurants
with good Greek comestibles, wine and popular Greek
music (live or not). We have two main types of wine.
RETSINA that is white wine with resin of pine, and
KOKKINELI, that is red wine. They are only a few
expensive Babylonian restaurants.

I am trying to find out why Babylonian restaurants are so expensive. More about Tsipouro in next post.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 43 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 17, 2001 (21:46) * 11 lines 
I suddenly have a great hunger for anything wrapped in grape leaves. I wonder how much cuisine I can find to go with the wines...

The 'spirit' of the vineyard

Every autumn after grape harvest, various wine festivities begin throughout Greece. A few days later, in Thessaly, Epirus, Macedonia and on the island of Crete the "Celebration of Tsipouro" takes place. Tsipouro is a strong distilled spirit containing approximately 37 per cent alcohol per volume and is produced from the must-residue of the wine-press. The name tsipouro is used throughout the country, except for Crete, where the same spirit with a stronger aroma is known as tsikoudia. In other areas of Greece, the Oriental name "raki" is used, from which the term "rakizio" is derived, used to refer to the drink's distillation process, which usually turns into a huge celebration among family, friends and neighbours. As with many gastronomic delicacies, most alcoholic beverages have their roots in poverty. Tsipouro and tsikoudia are
produced in poor viniculture soil. Therefore, every year after the vines are pruned, the vineyard provides wood for the fireplace, grape leaves for cooking (the famous Greek "dolmades"), grapes as a fruit or as a pastry and, of course, wine. Some of the grape must is used to make molasses, which when combined with flour become must-jelly, must-rolls as well as other well-known Greek pastries. When must is made from grapes, the seeds, stems and grape-peels aren't thrown away, rather they are distilled to produce tsipouro and tsikoudia, spirits consumed for centuries in this part of the Mediterranean. This production process, in which nothing is wasted and whatever is reaped is used in the most productive manner, was abandoned for a while. In fact, many of today's food products require long processing methods which often create waste
materials. The EU, however, is attempting to preserve traditional food and beverage production methods, which combine human ingenuity and a harmonious relationship with nature, by promoting products such as tsipouro and tsikoudia as well as by protecting the name of such products' origins.

Much more and historic goodies...

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 44 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 17, 2001 (21:48) * 34 lines 
Dolmades (Stuffed Grape Leaves)

Each Middle Eastern country has its own variety of grape leaf
filling. This is a Greek recipe.


1 onion, minced
1 tablespoon olive oil, divided
2 cups short grain brown rice, cooked
2 tablespoons tomato paste
1/2 cup raw sunflower seeds
1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
2 tablespoons lemon juice
1/2 teaspoon sea salt
pinch black pepper
1 jar (8 oz.) grape leaves, drained


1.In a small saucepan, saut the onion in half the olive oil,
then mix it with the remaining ingredients, except the grape
2.Preheat the oven to 375 degrees.
3.Spread out 10 grape leaves, with the darker side facing
down. Spoon a teaspoon of filling onto each leaf.
4.Fold the bottom up, the sides toward the middle, then roll
toward the top. Place them on an oiled pan, then brush the
tops with the remaining oil.
5.Bake, covered, for 35-40 minutes.

Makes 20-30.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 45 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 17, 2001 (21:50) * 3 lines 
Cinnamon without sugar is a totally new idea to me. I think I need a real Greek to run these recipes past before I post them. This one sounds like a good vegetarian one. Somehow I thought it had lamb and mint in it.

After a wedding and after the world gets back into order, I'll check with John and Ginny to see if any of these sound right.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 46 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Sep 18, 2001 (00:09) * 44 lines 
(Cultural, Scientific & General News Category)
September 2001: The Greek government and the Greek people joined into a three minutes of silence on Friday September 14 2001 in memory of the victims of the terrorist attacks in the US. The Greek flag was lowered as a symbolic and important act of deep sorrow. All other European Union countries joined in this act of support to the American people.

(Greek Products News Category)
August 2001: The acceptance by the European Union's legislative framework that feta cheese is a genuine Greek product it is expected to be a reality in the next months. As it is known, feta cheese has lost its position among the Name of Origin Products (Appellation d' Origine) during 1998 with a decision of the European Court, following a common recommendation by Germany and Denmark that produced feta like products. The statement of the Greek proposal for the acceptance by the European Union that feta cheese is a genuine Greek product it is expected to be positive from the competent commission of the European Union, due to support given to Greece by other Member States who really produce their genuine products, like France for example.

(Greek Products News Category)
August 2001: From 4 to 7 October 2001 will take place in Athens, Greece the 4th Pan Hellenic Exposition of Biological Products, which will be organized by DIO, one of the Greek organizations of control and certification of biological products. In the exposition will participate bio-cultivators from the whole country, importers and merchants of biological products, healthy food/biological shop owners, environmental organizations, and mediums from the biological agriculture.
The exposition aims to promote more intense the biological products expansion in the Greek market. It is worth to point out that according to the data given by all the Greek organizations of control and certification of biological products, the consumption of biological products in Greece has doubled in comparison with that of 1999. This was the factual evidence that Greek consumers summed the biological products not by price criteria but by quality ones.

(Cultural, Scientific & General News Category)
August 2001: One of the largest book expositions in world level is the International Book Exposition of Frankfurt, Germany. In this 53rd exposition, 10-15 October 2001, Greece is the honoured country. 55 Greek representatives including novelists, poets, and authors will participate in order to present the different aspects of the Modern Greek literature in Frankfurt's exposition. Despite the fact that some Modern Greek literature figures are widely known outside Greece, it is real that the majority of the rest is relative unknown outside the country, due to the stereotype created by the huge and immortal work of ancient Greek literature. The immortal ancient Greek spirit entered at all in universal mind and for that reason, the Modern Greek literature was really depreciated, a fact really not fair because the Modern Greek literature figures have to offer valuable things to reader. The participation of the Modern Greek literature figures aims to overbalance this situation and!
to promote the Modern Greek book in the world market. In exposition's context is worth to point out that the German organizers are intended to present a display dedicated to the Greek resistance against Germans during the World War II, all this within the anniversary of Germany's unification, that is the 8th October!

(Agricultural, Environmental & Health News Category)
September 2001: Safe and sustainable from the economic point of view methods for the production of the vegetative and vital products are promoted by the European Union through its Common Agricultural Policy. At the same time, European Union is aiming at the change of the whole system of food products marking; in order the consumer exactly know what to buy and to have the choice opportunity. Those plans were discussed in a round table about food product safety hold in Athens, Greece during September 2001. The participants of this round table were the Greek media and public authorities from the agriculture and commerce sectors and the two relevant (Agriculture and Commerce) European Union's Commissioners.

(Cultural, Scientific & General News Category)
September 2001: n important agreement for licensed merchandise ATHENS 2004, was reached in New York between the ATHENS 2004 Organizing Committee for the Olympic Games and the United States Olympic Committee. This agreement is of great importance to Greek Olympic Committee because ATHENS 2004 licensed merchandise will enter the US market. It is worth to point out that according to moderate estimates, expected revenue will reach the amount of 5 million USD. ATHENS 2004 products will be available to the Americans; and this will be the first step in a series of additional initiatives taken by ATHENS 2004 in the USA, in order to increase awareness of the ATHENS 2004 brand and core values associated with it.
Athens 2004 official website:

*******News and Services from community*************
Beaver College in Glenside, Pennsylvania US, recently underwent a change of name and is now named "ARCADIA UNIVERSITY".
Arcadia is a picturesque, rustic region of Greece in the heart of Peloponesus and in the past was known for its peacefulness and simplicity. During the Renaissance it was considered as a place where poets and philosophers felt nurtured and free to pursue independent thought and artistic inquiry.
"Et in Arcadia ego" [translated: I, too, was born in Arcadia] was the motto used by the intellectuals at that time to show their pride to the world for their well-rounded education, high intellect yet simple habits and tastes. These characteristics are in perfect harmony with the ragged, pastoral Arcadian landscape.
Today, Arcadia is the birthplace of most members of the Academy of Athens, while in the current Greek cabinet the majority of the ministers are from this mountainous, idyllic region of Greece.
To learn more about the name change of Beaver College to Arcadia University, please visit the following site.
You may send email of thanks to the president of Arcadia University, the Alumni Association, and the Board of Directors for selecting this symbolic Hellenic name for their university.

E-mail your comments or propose an article for Newsletter publication at:

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(Note from Marcia... what on earth are they doing at Beaver College? Overdosing on Rennes-le-Chateau and the Knights Templar? ...or are they all Poussin art fans of the tomb formerly at Arques, France?)

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 47 of 138: Autumn   (autumn) * Tue, Sep 18, 2001 (21:07) * 1 lines 
LOL!! I guess "Arcadia" is not subject to appellation d'origine?!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 48 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Oct  8, 2001 (21:21) * 1 lines 
Probably not! I will post more things about Greek edibles. Apparently there are multitudinous tavernas with delicious snacks and libations overlooking the sea. I wish with all my heart I could see it!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 49 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Oct 15, 2001 (17:40) * 45 lines 
(Cultural, Scientific & General News)
September 2001: The 4th International Festival of Art and Technology 'MEDIATERRA', held under the auspices of the Greek Culture Ministry, was presented by the Culture Minister Mr. Venizelos in Athens, Greece during September 2001. The Minister said that as of this year the festival is incorporated in the programmes of the Cultural Olympics and will be one of its main activities until the Olympic year of 2004. The current festival is based on the idea of an 'electronic micro-museum'. The 'micro-museum' will travel to Sofia and Belgrade and conclude in Frankfurt at the 53rd International Book Exposition, where Greece is the honoured country.

(Agricultural, Environmental & Health News)
September 2001: An excellent occasion for wider publicity for the world famous Stony Forest of Lesvos, a real natural wonder, was the victory of the Museum of Physical History of the Stony Forest in a Pan European environmental contest. The Museum of Physical History of the Stony Forest of Lesvos was the prize-winner in the European Contest Euro site 2001. In the Euro site 2001 contest participated institutions and representatives from the protected areas of Europe. The Director of the Museum, Mr. Zouros received by the Minister for the Environment and Regional Development of Scotland, Mrs. Branklin the prize and the prize money of the 2,000-EURO in a special ceremony, which took place in the Royal Castle of Edinburgh in Scotland. The ceremony attended representatives from the European Commission as well as representatives of Europe's protected areas.

(Agricultural, Environmental & Health News)
September 2001: A satellite digital TV channel for the Greek Agriculture is born. The Greek Minister announced the operation of the new TV channel on a special ceremony, which took place in Athens, Greece during September 2001. The name of the TV channel is '4 Epohes' (4 Seasons). It will have an informative character about agricultural issues from Greece and the world. The channel will start broadcasting in the Spring of 2002.


October 2001: In the 5th and 6th of November 2001 will take place in Chicago, Illinois the first Hellenic Trade and Cultural Fair, 2001, a Business to Business programme between Greece and the US. The fair is co-organized by the World Trade Center in Chicago (WTCC), the Exporters' Association of Northern Greece (SEVE), the Hellenic-American Chamber of Commerce and the Hellenic Centre for Investment (ELKE), under the shield of the World Council of Hellenes Abroad (SAE). The fair has one primary goal, to find business partners in the United States for Greek companies. For that reason are going to be organized Business to Business components which will offer an unprecedented opportunity for Greek companies to form profitable alliances in the US. The Business to Business Matchmaking Meetings will introduce Greek companies to the most serious and interested business partners in the United States. Potential business partners are going to be carefully screened by the World Trade !
Centre of Chicago to ensure that Greek companies meet with U.S. companies that share interests, goals and commercial objectives, whether they be import, export, joint venture, distribution, or research and development.
The primary sectors that organizers are focusing on include Food and Beverage, Clothing and Textile, Information Technology and Communications, Building Materials, and Tourism., is the only Internet oriented commercial company of Greece that will participate in the fair.
f you represent a company which is interested in arranging a Business meeting with any of the 72 Greek companies paricipating in the event you may get more information and register at:

(Greek Products News)
October 2001: An important certificate for the application of a system of integrated control and management for the production of viniferous grapes was given to Tsantalis winery by the Greek Ministry for the Agriculture. According to this certification, Tsantalis winery produces quality wines coming from the best grape varieties which are cultivated taking into account all environmental friendly methods.

(Cultural, Scientific & General News)
October 2001: Attracting a large turnout of audience, a spectacular performance titled 'Bravo China and Greece' was successfully staged in the Herodus Atticus Theater, a well-known ancient theater just below Acropolis, in Athens, Greece during October 2001. 'Bravo China and Greece' was billed as a celebration for Greece and China, both of which have had brilliant ancient civilizations and are currently preparing to host the next two Olympic Games in 2004 and 2008 respectively. The spectacular performance linking two different cultures and their artists featured an impressive parade of internationally acclaimed artists such as Nana Mouschouri of Greece and soprano Huang Ying of China. The event was organized by China Central Television and Shanghai Oriental Television and supported by Chinese embassy to Greece. The event attended members of the Greek government and the Chinese ambassador to Greece.

(Greek Products News)
October 2001: Apart from the Greek olive oil, one more Greek product seems to have therapeutical properties in the decrease of cholesterol in blood. We talk about the 'Aegina' pistachio, one of the best pistachio varieties in the world and a 'must' gourmet product. According to the results of a recent research organized by the University of Virginia in the US, 'Aegina' pistachio decreases the percentage of cholesterol in blood, making this product an ideal food accompaniment for every nutritional need. It is worth to point out that this is the first time that this unique preventive and therapeutical property of this product is detected by scientists, since we all knew it simply as the tastiest pistachio.

*******News and Services from community*************
We are honored to have as our guest Professor Stephen Miller of University of California at Berkeley, and Director of Nemea antiquities in Greece.

As customers of know, Nemea is the home of an excellent wine. Also important are its antiquities which I have had the privilege of bringing to light over the past three decades(see My work at Nemea includes making my discoveries available both to scholars and to the interested public, and for that reason publications, the construction of a museum, and the creation of an archaeological park have been logical extensions of the project. But it was totally unexpected when a group of local Nemeans decided to revive the ancient games in the stadium that I had uncovered. Those games, held in 1996 and 2000, are scheduled again for July 31, 2004. They have provided an opportunity for hundreds of people from 45 different countries to enter the ancient lockerroom and to step into history. Dressed in tunic and barefoot, one feels the centuries as one walks through the 36 m. long tunnel surrounded by ancient grafitti, enters the track, and places on!
e's toes in 2300-year-old starting blocks. As authentic as possible and open to all, the foot race at Nemea symbolizes our common human race. How could I ever have predicted that my archaeological work would be rewarded by seeing the Armenian ambassador place the traditional victory crown of wild celery on the head of a Turkish girl while a crowd of 5,000 Greeks cheered? The sacred soil of Greece produces more than good grapes.
For more information about Nemea visit the link below:

E-mail your comments or propose an article for Newsletter publication at:
Visit us at:

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 Response 50 of 138: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Tue, Oct 16, 2001 (13:20) * 8 lines 

Hi from Greece.
I am the John from Volos. My full name is John Tsatsaragos and I live in the area of Volos in Central East Greece. My first name in the Greek language is Giannis () or Ioannis (). I will be happy to discuss with you about real Greece or about anything that I know and you are interested. I have not enough free time this period but I will try to be here as it is possible to me.
Marcia thanks for the resurgence of this topic.

Warm greetings from Greece

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 Response 51 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 16, 2001 (14:18) * 5 lines 
*Sigh* There is so much lovely about Greece. I think it is mre like Paradise than Hawaii is. You even have better rocks! Beaches to die for, and archaeology!!! I think one day I need to see Greece with my own eyes. Thanks for coming here, John. I am sure there are those who are curious or wish to tell tales of adventure in your home country.

I also have a Greek flag gif. I borrowed it from your website!! When is your national holiday??? And, what do you call it in English?


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 Response 52 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 16, 2001 (21:42) * 1 lines 
I posted a lot about Greek marble on GEO 21. You have every possible color - the 4th largest suppier of fine marble in the world. How beautiful your rocks must be compared with mine. Ours come in any color you want - as long as you want black. I am trying to imagine pink marble. It sounds lovely!

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 Response 53 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Oct 21, 2001 (15:43) * 19 lines 
Mythology theme park by 2006

A theme park drawing its inspiration from Ancient Greek mythology will be built
in the area of Anavyssos, south of Athens, by 2006 and is expected to attract
up to 1.2 million visitors per year.
Preliminary plans for the 80-billion-drachma (235-million-euro) project have
already been drawn. Besides the theme park, they include two hotels, an
"environmental education park" that will include a botanical garden and an
open-air natural history museum, as well as the development of athletic facilities
by Anavyssos's beach. The whole project is situated on a 167-hectare area. The
salt pans covering part of the area will be turned into a lagoon.
Fuji Bank, the financial advisor of Hellenic Tourist Properties (ETA), a subsidiary
of the state Greek National Tourism Organization, will study the preliminary
plans and draw up a final investment plan. The call for bids to build the theme
park will be published on November 30.
The bulk of the investment will be provided by private capital. ETA will be a
partner. Most of the park, plus the two hotels, is scheduled to be completed by
2004, the year of the Athens Olympics.

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 Response 54 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Oct 21, 2001 (15:47) * 2 lines 
*Sigh* I rather hoped they would not do that to Greece. I note Fuji Bank has underwritten the project. It's interesting to note in a world economy which seems intent on downsizing and centralizing things and laying off people. Perhaps this is a good thing for Greece's economy - especially if they employ local people. In Hawaii, they often bring in their own people to run things.

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 Response 55 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Oct 21, 2001 (15:52) * 25 lines 
Kathimerini edition is displayed in Strasbourg

Good news travels fast, especially at times like these when fear can lurk in a
simple postal envelope. We opened up a roll marked "Sender: Museum of Greek
Children's Art, Kodrou 9, Plaka." Instead of white powder, out came sun rays,
rainbows, striped lambs, a speechless mermaid, colors, and shapes, all the
product of children's imaginations, like a much-needed smile of optimism. These
were children's paintings from competitions held throughout Greece for primary
school children, that have been selected by a committee of celebrities and will
be used in exhibitions on nature, and the child's life or family. This year's theme
was "Earth and Fire, Air and Water" and the children created their own happy
world from them. Their authentic material was like an injection of optimism in
last Sunday's edition of Kathimerini, where it appeared under the heading:
"Children's paintings: An antidote to terror." "I tremble," a teacher told a child's
mother, "to think of the day when we set 'airplanes' or 'towers' as subjects, and
what we will see painted by children who were faced with these images of
horror." But the little girl with the striped lamb is keeping watch on her world
where the windows are not on television but darns from her grandfather's socks.
The mermaid has a boat in the background, not an aircraft carrier, at least for
the moment. We heard from Strasbourg, where the Exhibition of Children's
Paintings is on display in the Aubette Room in the main square, from the
Museum of Greek Children's Art and from the press office of the Council of
Europe that the page from Sunday's paper has become a poster dominating the
entrance to the exhibition, and has appeared in reports in other newspapers.

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 Response 56 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 23, 2001 (23:39) * 125 lines

Background: Greece achieved its independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1829. During the second half of the
19th century and the first half of the 20th century, it gradually added neighboring islands and territories with
Greek-speaking populations. Following the defeat of communist rebels in 1949, Greece joined NATO in 1952. A
military dictatorship, which in 1967 had suspended many political liberties and forced the king to flee the country,
was itself overthrown seven years later. Democratic elections in 1974 abolished the monarchy and created a
parliamentary republic; Greece joined the EU in 1981.


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Location: Southern Europe, bordering the Aegean Sea, Ionian Sea, and the Mediterranean Sea, between
Albania and Turkey

Geographic coordinates: 39 00 N, 22 00 E

Map references: Europe

total: 131,940 sq km
land: 130,800 sq km
water: 1,140 sq km

Area - comparative: slightly smaller than Alabama

Land boundaries:
total: 1,210 km
border countries: Albania 282 km, Bulgaria 494 km, Turkey 206 km, The Former Yugoslav Republic of
Macedonia 228 km

Coastline: 13,676 km

Maritime claims:
continental shelf: 200-m depth or to the depth of exploitation
territorial sea: 6 nm

Climate: temperate; mild, wet winters; hot, dry summers

Terrain: mostly mountains with ranges extending into the sea as peninsulas or chains of islands

Elevation extremes:
lowest point: Mediterranean Sea 0 m
highest point: Mount Olympus 2,917 m

Natural resources: bauxite, lignite, magnesite, petroleum, marble, hydropower

Land use:
arable land: 19%
permanent crops: 8%
permanent pastures: 41%
forests and woodland: 20%
other: 12% (1993 est.)

Irrigated land: 13,140 sq km (1993 est.)

Natural hazards: severe earthquakes

Environment - current issues: air pollution; water pollution

Environment - international agreements:
party to: Air Pollution, Air Pollution-Nitrogen Oxides, Air Pollution-Sulphur 94, Antarctic-Environmental
Protocol, Antarctic Treaty, Biodiversity, Climate Change, Desertification, Endangered Species, Environmental
Modification, Hazardous Wastes, Law of the Sea, Marine Dumping, Nuclear Test Ban, Ozone Layer Protection,
Ship Pollution, Tropical Timber 83, Tropical Timber 94, Wetlands
signed, but not ratified: Air Pollution-Persistent Organic Pollutants, Air Pollution-Volatile Organic Compounds,
Climate Change-Kyoto Protocol

Geography - note: strategic location dominating the Aegean Sea and southern approach to Turkish Straits; a
peninsular country, possessing an archipelago of about 2,000 islands


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Population: 10,601,527 (July 2000 est.)

Age structure:
0-14 years: 15% (male 828,585; female 779,902)
15-64 years: 67% (male 3,580,079; female 3,574,788)
65 years and over: 18% (male 815,247; female 1,022,926) (2000 est.)

Population growth rate: 0.21% (2000 est.)

Birth rate: 9.82 births/1,000 population (2000 est.)

Death rate: 9.64 deaths/1,000 population (2000 est.)

Net migration rate: 1.97 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2000 est.)

Sex ratio:
at birth: 1.07 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.8 male(s)/female
total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2000 est.)

Infant mortality rate: 6.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2000 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.44 years
male: 75.89 years
female: 81.16 years (2000 est.)

Total fertility rate: 1.33 children born/woman (2000 est.)

noun: Greek(s)
adjective: Greek

Ethnic groups: Greek 98%, other 2%
note: the Greek Government states there are no ethnic divisions in Greece

Religions: Greek Orthodox 98%, Muslim 1.3%, other 0.7%

Languages: Greek 99% (official), English, French

definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 95%
male: 98%
female: 93% (1991 est.)

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 Response 57 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 23, 2001 (23:40) * 169 lines 
How current is this information, I wonder...

Country name:
conventional long form: Hellenic Republic
conventional short form: Greece
local long form: Elliniki Dhimokratia
local short form: Ellas or Ellada
former: Kingdom of Greece

Data code: GR

Government type: parliamentary republic; monarchy rejected by referendum 8 December 1974

Capital: Athens

Administrative divisions: 51 prefectures (nomoi, singular - nomos)and 1 autonomous region*; Ayion Oros*
(Mt. Athos), Aitolia kai Akarnania, Akhaia, Argolis, Arkadhia, Arta, Attiki, Dhodhekanisos, Drama, Evritania,
Evros, Evvoia, Florina, Fokis, Fthiotis, Grevena, Ilia, Imathia, Ioannina, Irakleion, Kardhitsa, Kastoria, Kavala,
Kefallinia, Kerkyra, Khalkidhiki, Khania, Khios, Kikladhes, Kilkis, Korinthia, Kozani, Lakonia, Larisa, Lasithi,
Lesvos, Levkas, Magnisia, Messinia, Pella, Pieria, Preveza, Rethimni, Rodhopi, Samos, Serrai, Thesprotia,
Thessaloniki, Trikala, Voiotia, Xanthi, Zakinthos

Independence: 1829 (from the Ottoman Empire)

National holiday: Independence Day, 25 March (1821) (proclamation of the war of independence)

Constitution: 11 June 1975; amended March 1986

Legal system: based on codified Roman law; judiciary divided into civil, criminal, and administrative courts

Suffrage: 18 years of age; universal and compulsory

Executive branch:
chief of state: President Konstandinos (Kostis) STEPHANOPOULOS (since 10 March 1995)
head of government: Prime Minister Konstandinos SIMITIS (since 19 January 1996)
cabinet: Cabinet appointed by the president on the recommendation of the prime minister
elections: president elected by Parliament for a five-year term; election last held 8 February 2000 (next to be
held by NA March 2005); prime minister appointed by the president
election results: Konstandinos STEPHANOPOULOS reelected president; percent of Parliament vote - 90%

Legislative branch: unicameral Parliament or Vouli ton Ellinon (300 seats; members are elected by direct
popular vote to serve four-year terms)
elections: elections last held 9 April 2000 (next to be held by NA April 2004)
election results: percent of vote by party - PASOK 43.8%, ND 42.7%, KKE 5.5%, Coalition of the Left and
Progress 3.2%; seats by party - PASOK 158, ND 125, KKE 11, Coalition of the Left and Progress 6

Judicial branch: Supreme Judicial Court, judges appointed for life by the president after consultation with a
judicial council; Special Supreme Tribunal, judges appointed for life by the president after consultation with a
judicial council

Political parties and leaders: Coalition of the Left and Progress (Synaspismos) [Nikolaos
KONSTANDOPOULOS]; Communist Party of Greece or KKE [Aleka PAPARIGA]; Democratic Social
Movement or DIKKI [Dhimitrios TSOVOLAS]; Liberal Party [Stephanos MANOS]; New Democracy or ND
(conservative) [Konstandinos KARAMANLIS]; Panhellenic Socialist Movement or PASOK [Konstandinos
SIMITIS]; Political Spring [Andonis SAMARAS]; Rainbow Coalition [Pavlos VOSKOPOULOS]

International organization participation: Australia Group, BIS, BSEC, CCC, CE, CERN, EAPC, EBRD,
ILO, IMF, IMO, Inmarsat, Intelsat, Interpol, IOC, IOM, ISO, ITU, MINURSO, NAM (guest), NATO, NEA,

Diplomatic representation in the US:
chief of mission: Ambassador Alexandros PHILON
chancery: 2221 Massachusetts Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20008
telephone: [1] (202) 939-5800
FAX: [1] (202) 939-5824
consulate(s) general: Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco
consulate(s): Atlanta, Houston, and New Orleans

Diplomatic representation from the US:
chief of mission: Ambassador R. Nicholas BURNS
embassy: 91 Vasilissis Sophias Boulevard, 10160 Athens
mailing address: PSC 108, APO AE 09842-0108
telephone: [30] (1) 721-2951
FAX: [30] (1) 645-6282
consulate(s) general: Thessaloniki

Flag description: nine equal horizontal stripes of blue alternating with white; there is a blue square in the upper
hoist-side corner bearing a white cross; the cross symbolizes Greek Orthodoxy, the established religion of the


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Economy - overview: Greece has a mixed capitalist economy with the public sector accounting for about half of
GDP. The government plans to privatize some leading state enterprises. Tourism is a key industry, providing a
large portion of GDP and foreign exchange earnings. Greece is a major beneficiary of EU aid, equal to about 4%
of GDP. The economy has improved steadily over the last few years, as the government has tightened policy with
the goal of qualifying Greece to join the EU's single currency (the euro) in 2001. In particular, Greece has cut its
budget deficit below 2% of GDP and tightened monetary policy, with the result that inflation fell below 4% by the
end of 1998 - the lowest rate in 26 years - and averaged only 2.6% in 1999. Further restructuring of the economy
and the reduction of unemployment remain major challenges.

GDP: purchasing power parity - $149.2 billion (1999 est.)

GDP - real growth rate: 3% (1999 est.)

GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $13,900 (1999 est.)

GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 8.3%
industry: 27.3%
services: 64.4% (1998)

Population below poverty line: NA%

Household income or consumption by percentage share:
lowest 10%: NA%
highest 10%: NA%

Inflation rate (consumer prices): 2.6% (1999 est.)

Labor force: 4.32 million (1999 est.)

Labor force - by occupation: services 59.2%, agriculture 19.8%, industry 21% (1998)

Unemployment rate: 9.9% (1999 est.)

revenues: $45 billion
expenditures: $47.6 billion, including capital expenditures of $NA (1998 est.)

Industries: tourism; food and tobacco processing, textiles; chemicals, metal products; mining, petroleum

Industrial production growth rate: 1% (1999 est.)

Electricity - production: 43.677 billion kWh (1998)

Electricity - production by source:
fossil fuel: 8.26%
hydro: 91.24%
nuclear: 0%
other: 0.5% (1998)

Electricity - consumption: 42.18 billion kWh (1998)

Electricity - exports: 900 million kWh (1998)

Electricity - imports: 2.46 billion kWh (1998)

Agriculture - products: wheat, corn, barley, sugar beets, olives, tomatoes, wine, tobacco, potatoes; beef, dairy

Exports: $12.4 billion (f.o.b., 1998)

Exports - commodities: manufactured goods, food and beverages, fuels (1998)

Exports - partners: EU 56% (Germany 25%, Italy 11%, UK 8%, France 6%), US 16% (1997)

Imports: $27.7 billion (c.i.f., 1998)

Imports - commodities: manufactured goods, foodstuffs, fuels, chemicals (1998)

Imports - partners: EU 61% (Italy 16%, Germany 16%, France 8%, UK 7%, Netherlands 5%) US 11%

Debt - external: $41.9 billion (1998)

Economic aid - recipient: $5.4 billion from EU (1997 est.)

Currency: 1 drachma (Dr) = 100 lepta

Exchange rates: drachmae (Dr) per US$1 - 326.59 (January 2000), 305.65 (1999), 295.53 (1998), 273.06
(1997), 240.71 (1996), 231.66 (1995)

Fiscal year: calendar year

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 Response 58 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 23, 2001 (23:41) * 22 lines 
Telephones - main lines in use: 5.431 million (1997)

Telephones - mobile cellular: 328,500 (1997)

Telephone system: adequate, modern networks reach all areas; microwave radio relay carries most traffic;
extensive open-wire network; submarine cables to off-shore islands
domestic: microwave radio relay, open wire, and submarine cable
international: tropospheric scatter; 8 submarine cables; satellite earth stations - 2 Intelsat (1 Atlantic Ocean and
1 Indian Ocean), 1 Eutelsat, and 1 Inmarsat (Indian Ocean region)

Radio broadcast stations: AM 26, FM 88, shortwave 4 (1998)

Radios: 5.02 million (1997)

Television broadcast stations: 64 (plus about 1,000 low-power repeaters); also two stations in the US Armed
Forces Network (1999)

Televisions: 2.54 million (1997)

Internet Service Providers (ISPs): 23 (1999)

(Thank goodness for that!!)

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 Response 59 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 23, 2001 (23:47) * 11 lines 
National Holidays:

Independence Day, 25 March (1821) (proclamation of the war of independence)

Constitution: 11 June 1975; amended March 1986

March 25th and June 11th

National Holidays of Greece.

(John, I know you told me... is this correct? I have much to read through in our conversations if I am incorrect...)

For a really complete list

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 Response 60 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 23, 2001 (23:49) * 5 lines 
March 25th

The Greek National Anniversary and a major religious holiday with military parades in the larger towns and cities.This celebrates Greece's victory in the war of Independence against the Turks who had occupied the country for 400 years. The 25th of March was actually the day Bishop Germanos of Patras raised the flag of national rebellion at the monastery of Agia Lavra in the northern Peleponisos.

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 Response 61 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 23, 2001 (23:51) * 1 lines 
I cannot find anything but Greek Independence Day... March 25th... I'll keep looking

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 Response 62 of 138: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Thu, Oct 25, 2001 (15:31) * 3 lines 
Thank you Marcia for the above information's for Greece.
We have two National holidays. You are absolutely correct about March 25th, but not for June 11th. The second our National holiday is on October 28. We celebrate the denial (OCHI that means NO) of the Prime Minister Ioannis Metaxas to the fascistic Italy in the 28th of October 1941. This day, was also the first day of Greek-Italy war, in the Second World War. We celebrate this day also with military parades in the big cities (mainly in Thessaloniki) and in every city with parades of school childrens. During this Greek- Italy war, we made the first victory of the allied Powers against the German Italy axis.

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 Response 63 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Nov 21, 2001 (16:03) * 15 lines 

The Greek Flag consists of alternating blue (five) and white (four) stripes. The
first and last stripes are always blue. Anyone who has travelled in the Greek
islands would probably understand the "choice" of the blue colour!

At the top leftt hand corner, there is a white cross. The cross is the symbol of
Christian Orthodoxy, the national religion of Greece.

There are nine blue and white stripes because there are nine syllables in the
Greek phrase "ελευθεÏ?ία ή θάνατος" (freedom or death). This expression
represented the Greek nation's determination to fight for liberation from the
Ottoman occupation in March 1821.

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 Response 64 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Nov 21, 2001 (16:08) * 1 lines 
I'm sorry about the way that Greek font pasted. Please visit the link to see what it really says. I also have much bigger flags to post in the future. Plus the transation into English of the Greek National Anthem by Rudyard Kipling. All 158 stanzas....! I am getting you ready for the 2002 Winter Olympics. The flag of Greece always enters first. Pay attention... there WILL be a test!

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 Response 65 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Nov 21, 2001 (16:11) * 36 lines 

The Flag of Greece

The pattern and colors of the Greek Flag haven't changed a lot since the Revolution of the Greek Nation in 1821. Many
people wonder why the founders of the Hellenic Democracy have chosen the symbols, patterns and colors that appear on the
National Flag of Greece. It is difficult to reveal the true intentions of the people responsible for the selection of the flag. This is a
personal attempt to interpret the designs and colors of the flag and its relation to Greece and Hellenism.

The designs, symbols and patterns of the Flag

The number of the lines is based on the number of the syllables in the Greek phrase: Eleutheria H Thanatos (Liberty or Death).
Liberty or Death was the motto during the years of the Hellenic Revolution against the Ottoman Empire in the 19nth century
[There are claims that the number of lines reflects the number of letters in the Greek word for Freedom which equals 9]. This
word stirred the heart of the oppressed Greeks, it created intense emotions and inspired them to fight and gain their freedom
after 400 years of slavery. The line pattern was chosen because of their similarity with the wavy sea that surounds the shores of
Greece. The interchange of blue and white colors makes the Hellenic Flag on a windy day to look like the Aegean Pelagos
(sea). Only the quaint islands are missing! The Greek Square Cross that rests on the upper left-side of the flag and occupies
one fourth of the total area demonstrates the respect and the devotion the Greek people have for the Greek Orthodox Church
and signifies the important role of Christianity in the formation of the modern Hellenic Nation. During the dark years of the
Ottoman rule, the Greek Orthodox Church helped the enslaved Greeks to retain their cultural characteristics: the Greek
language, the Byzantine religion and generally the Greek ethnic identity, by the institution of the Crypha Scholia (secret
schools). The Crypha Scholia were a web of schools that operated secretly throughout Greece and were committed in
transmitting to the Greeks the wonders of their ancestors and the rest of their cultural heritage. Today, Christianity is still the
dominant religion among Greeks. Therefore the existence of the Cross is justified.

The colors of the Flag

Blue and White! These two colors symbolize the blue of the Greek Sea and the Whiteness of the restless Greek waves!
According to the mythic legends, the Goddess of Beauty, Aphrodite (Venus) emerged from these waves. In addition, it reflects
the blue of the Greek Sky and the White of the few clouds that travel in it. There are some who speculate that the blue and
white symbolize the similar color of the clothing (vrakes) of the Greek sailors during the War of Independence.

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 Response 66 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Nov 21, 2001 (16:16) * 35 lines 
Speaking of Olympic Games and heroes, a few names here might be familiar. (Is Miltiades really promounced like that? Some of the syllables are missing!)

Pronounced As: miltidz , d. 489 B.C., Athenian general
who commanded at Marathon. He succeeded his
uncle as ruler (c.524 B.C.) of an Athenian dependency
in the Gallipoli Peninsula. He accompanied (c.513)
Darius in the Persian expedition into Scythia. Later he
took part in the revolt of Ionian Greece against the
Persians (499-493) and afterward fled to Athens. His
experience and ability made him a powerful figure and
he was elected to the board of generals to oppose the
impending Persian invasion (see Persian Wars).
When the enemy arrived at Marathon (490), Miltiades
went there to protect Athens from the land side. After a
few days' delay the Persians began the march toward
Athens, and Miltiades attacked. He had an infantry that
was greatly outnumbered, but the Greek spears and
armor outweighed Persian arms. The Athenian center
gave way and the wings enveloped the Persians,
vanquishing them. The Persians retreated to their
ships and set out at once by sea to attack Athens, the
army being absent. Perhaps the chief glory of Miltiades
was that he brought his army, which had been fighting
all day, in a 20-mi (32-km) race back to Athens; in the
morning when the Persian fleet arrived off Athens,
Miltiades and his army were ready. After the battle
Miltiades was given a fleet. In 489, he made an
unsuccessful attack on Paros. His enemies took
advantage of the failure and had him fined. He died of a
wound soon after.

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(mltdz) (KEY) , d. 489 B.C., Athenian general who commanded at Marathon. He succeeded
his uncle as ruler (c.524 B.C.) of an Athenian dependency in the Gallipoli Peninsula. He
accompanied (c.513) Darius in the Persian expedition into Scythia. Later he took part in the revolt
of Ionian Greece against the Persians (499493) and afterward fled to Athens. His experience and
ability made him a powerful figure and he was elected to the board of generals to oppose the
impending Persian invasion (see Persian Wars). When the enemy arrived at Marathon (490),
Miltiades went there to protect Athens from the land side. After a few days delay the Persians
began the march toward Athens, and Miltiades attacked. He had an infantry that was greatly
outnumbered, but the Greek spears and armor outweighed Persian arms. The Athenian center gave
way and the wings enveloped the Persians, vanquishing them. The Persians retreated to their ships
and set out at once by sea to attack Athens, the army being absent. Perhaps the chief glory of
Miltiades was that he brought his army, which had been fighting all day, in a 20-mi (32-km) race
back to Athens; in the morning when the Persian fleet arrived off Athens, Miltiades and his army
were ready. After the battle Miltiades was given a fleet. In 489, he made an unsuccessful attack on
Paros. His enemies took advantage of the failure and had him fined. He died of a wound soon

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(I am having real difficulties pronouncing this name... I guess I need to find some to talk to me in Greek place and proper names.) It is not like Hawaiian where there are very few diphthongs and you pronounce each vowel as a separate syllable.)

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Saint Andrew the Apostle, the brother of Saint Peter, was martyred under the Emperor Nero and is remembered on November 30, traditionally considered the date of his martyrdom in 60 A.D. He is said to have died on a diagonally transversed cross which the Romans sometimes used for executions and which, therefore, came to be called St. Andrew's cross.

After Christ's resurrection and the descent of the Holy Ghost, St. Andrew preached the gospel in Scythia, as Origen testifies. Sophronius, who wrote soon after St. Jerome and translated his catalogue of illustrious men and some other works into Greek, adds Sogdiana and Colchis. Theodoret tells us that he passed into Greece; St. Gregory Nazianzen mentions particularly Epirus and St. Jerom Achaia. St. Paulinus says this divine fisherman, preaching at Argos, put all the philosophers there to silence. St. Philastrius tells us, that he came out of Pontus into Greece, and that in his time people at Sinope were
persuaded that they had his true picture, and the pulpit in which he had preached in that city. The Muscovites have long gloried that St. Andrew carried the gospel into their country as far as the mouth of the Borysthenes, and to the mountains where the city of Kiou now stands, and to the frontiers of Poland. If the ancients mean European Scythia, when they speak of the theatre of his labours, this authority is favourable to the pretensions of the Muscovites. The Greeks understand it of Scythia, beyond Sebastopolis in Colchis,
and perhaps also of the European; for they say he planted the faith in Thrace, and particularly at Byzantium, afterwards called Constantinople. But of this we meet with no traces in antiquity. Several Calendars commemorate the feast of the chair of St. Andrew at Patrae, in Achaia It is agreed that he laid down his life there for Christ. St. Paulinus says, that having taken many people in the nets of Christ he confirmed the faith which he had preached by his blood at Patrae. St. Sophronius, St. Gaudentius, and St. Austin assure us that he was crucified; St. Peter Chrysologus says, on a tree; Pseudo-Hippolytus adds, on an olive-tree. In the hymn of Pope Damasus it is barely mentioned that he was crucified.
When the apostle saw his cross at a distance, he is said to have cried out, "Hail, precious cross, that hast been consecrated by the body of my Lord, and adorned with his limbs as with rich jewels. I come to thee exulting and glad: receive me with joy into thy arms. O good cross, that hast received beauty from our Lord's limbs; I have ardently loved thee;
long have I desired and sought thee: now thou art found by me, and art made ready for my longing soul; receive me into thy arms, taking me from among men, and present me to my master; that he who redeemed me on thee, may receive me by thee." The body of St. Andrew was translated from Patrae to Constantinople in 357, together with those of St. Luke and St. Timothy, and deposited in the Church of the Apostles, which Constantine the Great had built a little before. St. Paulinus and St. Jerome mention miracles wrought on
that occasion. The churches of Milan, Nola, Brescia, and some other places, were at the same time enriched with small portions of these relics, as we are informed by St. Ambrose, St. Gaudentius, St. Paulinus, &c.

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Christmas in Greece

* On Christmas Eve carols are usually sung by small boys to the beating of
drums and the tinkling of triangles. They go from house to house and are
given dried figs, almonds, walnuts and lots of sweets or sometimes small

* There is a tradition kallikantzeri, where the mischievious goblins appear from
the earth during the 12 days of Christmas.

* At Christmas very few presents are given to each other. Instead, small gifts
are given to hospitals and orphanages.

* Priests sometimes go from house to house sprinkling holy water around to
get rid of the bad spirits who may be hiding in people's houses.

* In most Greek homes an evergreen tree is decorated with tinsel and a star
placed on top. Gifts are exchanged on January 1sst, St Basil's Day.

*On Christmas Eve, groups of people gather around the holiday table. Figs,
dried on rooftops are served with the spicy golden Chrisopsomo bread.

*As poeple are they greet one another by saying Hronia polla or many happy
years. The table filled with food may include such dishes as kourambiethes, a
Greek nut cookie.

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 Response 73 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (17:24) * 31 lines 
Kourambiethes (Greek Christmas Sweets)


These delightful little sugar coated biscuits have a
delicious brandy, cinnamon and almond flavour.
They are the traditional Christmas sweets in Greece
where it is customary to prepare them in every home
although they are now to be found in most Greek
cakeshops and supermarkets during the festivities

16 fl. oz. (450 ml.) olive oil
4 oz. (125g) sugar
1 whole egg and 1 yolk
1 tbsp. ground cinnamon
4 tbsps brandy
4 oz. (125g) almonds, roasted and coarsely ground
1 lb. (450g) flour
icing suagar for coating

Cooking Instructions:

1.Pour the olive oil into a large bowl and beat in the sugar
2.Add the eggs, almonds, cinnamon, almonds and brandy and beat again
3.Carefully add the flour until the dough is a soft consistency that will not stick to your hands
4.Divide the dough into pieces the size of a walnut and shape kourambiethes into rounds, oblongs and
5.Place on an oiled baking sheet and bake in a pre-heated oven at 350F, Gas Mark 4, 180C for 15-20
6.Allow to cool a little then sift icing sugar over them, covering them completely

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There is snow on Pelion, tonight - a lot of it! A White Christmas for Greece.

Pelion : Along The Pagasitic Gulf

The road southeast of Volos leads to Agria (8 km. from
Volos), a coastal suburb with an extensive beach in a fertile
district filled with olive groves and orchards.

Here you will find a number of hotels and restaurants.
The chapel of the Virgin of Goritsa and the icon screen with
carved and painted scenes from everyday life in the chapel of
the Holy Cross are sure to leave an impression.

From Agria a secondary road rises 12 km to Drakia (17.5 km
from Volos, alt. 500 m.), a village characterised by lush
vegetation, running streams, well-made alleyways and
marvellous popular "tower houses".

The Triantaphyllou mansion, decorated with 18th century wall paintings, carved doorways and moulded ceilings is considered
among the best of its kind.
The main square, thought by historians to be the oldest in Pelion, hosts a folk festival on the 23rd of August, complete with
traditional costumes and music.

After Agria the main road passes by Kato and Ano Lehonia, where most of Pelion's cultivated flowers are grown and sold. The
air is scented with the blossoms of gardenias, hortensias, camellias and tuberoses.

Platanidia, the port of Ano Lehonia, 13 km. from Volos is a good place for fresh fish.
Continuing south the main road proceeds towards the long beach of Malaki before arriving at Kato Gatzea (17 km.), a village
blessed with protected beaches and surrounded by a vast olive grove.

Next comes Kala Nera (20 km. from Volos), another seaside village with a beach, leafy plane trees, orchards and abundant

A side road to the east winds 7 kilometres up the mountainside to Milies (28
km. from Volos, alt. 360 m.), one of the most delightful larger villages of
Pelion and an important cultural centre, as witnessed by the wealth of rare
books and manuscripts in its library.
Some of its traditional homes have been renovated by the G.N.T.O to
operate as guest houses.

Milies also has a fine collection of folk art (local museum), while its little
railway station -- the end of the old Volos line - is particularly attractive.

Here we suggest that you try the local speciality "tyropsomo" or cheese -
bread and "firikia", a kind of lady apple.
Just 3 kilometres further up the road you will find Vizitsa (32 km. from
Volos, alt. 450 m.) a mountain village concealed among plane trees whose
lovely Pelionstyle towers and magnificent old mansions have led to its
declaration as a landmark settlement protected from unseemly development.

Some of the latter have been renovated by the G.N.T.O. and are run as guest
If you feel like forgetting your cares and troubles for a while, try a little of the
potent local brew, "tsipouro".
I through more olive groves and orchards .

Back on the main road, you pass on the way to Koropi, which occupies the site of the ancient city of the same name, famous in
the past as the home of the Oracle of Apollo Koropaios.
On the 24th kilometre of the main road, a short deviation (2 km.) will take you to Afissos (26 km. from Volos).

The main road, which starts its ascent of Pelion after Afetes, forks near here: after Neohori the northern branch leads to
Tsangarada passing through Lambinou, with a stunning view of the Aegean; while the southern branch goes to the big village of
Argalasti (40 km. from Volos, alt. 250 m.), situated on a fertile plateau renowned for its olives.

Several secondary roads radiate out from Argalasti to the seaside villages of Kalamos and Paos on the Pagasitic gulf and the
mountain hamlets of Kallithea, Xinovrisi and Paltsi, on the Aegean coast.

Continuing south there is a succession of sandy beaches one after the other as far as Milina, a pretty summer resort.
After Milina the road has recently been extended as far as Trikeri (82 km), the lovely, mansion - filled village at the tip of the
Magnesia peninsula.
Up to now communications with Volos were possible only by boat via the little port of Agia Kiriaki, a charming fishing hamlet
whose "tavernakia" specialise in seafood.
Trikeri, Agia Kiriaki and Ai Giannis, an undeveloped fishing community on the islet of Palio Trikeri, form a commune, and
administrative unit smaller than a municipality.

The weddings in local costume and the traditional customs observed there during Easter week and on May Day are not to be
missed if you happen to be in Greece in the spring. East of Milina the road goes on to Lafkos and Promiri, a typical example of
a village submerged in olive trees, winding up in Platania, a quaint fishing village to the south.


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 Response 75 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 15, 2001 (22:07) * 1 lines 
I wish there was a webcam so I could see how beautiful it is. My mind cannot comprehend the beauty of the sunlit Aegean Sea and white beaches covered in snow. The pictures with the above post are magnificent.

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Fresh fish. I wonder what kinds. I'm off to search for the answer. Another link with Hawaii? We are surrounded by fish, so it would seem!

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by Lou Seibert Pappas


Greece, a republic 50,962 square miles in
area, is located in the southern Balkan
Peninsula of southeastern Europe. The
population of the country numbers around
10 million and the capital and
largest city is Athens. The basic monetary
unity is the drachma.

Ancient Greece is considered the cradle of
Western civilization, starting about 2500
years ago. In those days Greece controlled much of the land bordering the
Mediterranean and Black Seas. In Athens and elsewhere in Greece,
magnificent ruins stand as monuments to the nation's glorious past.

The Greeks came under control of invaders for
more than 2,000 years. They lost their
independence to the Macedonians in 338 B.C.
and did not regain it until A.D. 1829, from the
Ottoman Turks. Since then, Greece has had many
serious political problems. Yet their arts,
philosophy, and science became foundations of Western thought and

About a fifth of Greece consists of islands and no part of Greece is more
than 85 miles from the sea.

Greece and its sun-kissed isles offer a tantalizing cuisine that is fresh and
fragrant, served with warmth and vitality. The Greeks' zest for the good life
and love of simple, well-seasoned foods is reflected at the table. Theirs is
an unpretentious cuisine that makes the most of their surroundings.

It is a cuisine entrenched in history and punctuated by the cultures of its
neighbors for centuries: Turkey, the Middle East, and the Balkans.

This land of blue skies and sparkling seas
offers a variety of fresh ingredients close at
hand. Olive trees flourish, providing a
flavor-packed oil to bathe other foods.
Vineyards thread the rolling hills, and the grape
crush and ferment produces excellent wines,
some resin-flavored. Fragrant lemon trees produce the golden fruit whose
tang pervades Greek gastronomy.

The seas are blessed with a variety of fish and shellfish and harbor-side
tavernas serve them grilled, baked, and fried and often whole, with the
head still on.

Lamb is the principal meat served and a holiday festivity calls for
ceremoniously spit-roasting a whole carcass out of doors. For everyday
meals, lamb is braised and stewed in casseroles with assorted vegetables
and skewered and broiled. Pork, beef, and game are marinated, grilled,
and baked. Chicken is broiled or braised. Good meat and vegetable
combinations are endless, often embellished with the golden lemon sauce,
avgolemono, or a cinnamon-spiced tomato sauce.

Moussaka, layered with eggplant or zucchini and a garlic-scented meat
sauce, and bearing a custard topping, is the ubiquitous casserole dish.
Pilaffs are laced with spices and nuts. Fila pitas, composed of the
wafer-thin pastry, and layered with chicken and mushrooms, spinach and
feta, or lamb and leeks, are a delight. An abundance of fresh vegetables
inspires imaginative cooked and marinated vegetable dishes and salads,
often strewn with mountain-grown herbs: garlic, oregano, mint, basil, and
dill. Fresh feta, Romano, and Kasseri, in particular, are used lavishly to
accompany homemade whole-grain bread or salad or to grate and top
vegetables or pasta.

Undoubtedly baklava is the most famous pastry, a multi-layered affair
ribboned with nuts and oozing with honey syrup. A visit to a Greek pastry
shop reveals the versatility of fila dough in dozens of different fila pastries,
many of Turkish derivation.The honeyed fila pastries and buttery nut
cookies compose a separate late afternoon meal accompanied by thick
Greek coffee. Fresh fruit -- generally figs, orange, apples, and melon --
usually conclude the late evening dinner.

Feasts and festivals are integral to Hellenic life. Name days, saints' days,
weddings, and holidays are the occasion for merriment, a bounteous table
and spirited folk dancing.

Common Greek Cooking Terms and Ingredients

General Terms


An egg and lemon mixtures used as a sauce or a soup base.

the most famous Greek dessert, made of layers of fila pastry, chopped
nuts, and a honey-flavored syrup

fila puffs made with various fillings

grapevine leaves stuffed with rice or meat

the classic white goat cheese of Greece

Fila, filo, or phyllo
the paper-thin pastry dough essential for appetizers, entrees, and desserts.

the Greek word for casserole, or baked in the oven




probably the most famous Greek olive

creamy farm cheese with a bitey flavor

a hard, salty cheese, good for grating

butter cookies topped with powdered sugar

small savory appetizers

a layered casserole usualy made with eggplant and chopped meat, and
topped with a custard sauce

tiny melon seed-shaped pasta

a colorless alcoholic drink flavored with anise.

a layered casserole of macaroni and chopped meat topped with a custard

rice boiled in broth and flavored with onion and spices


white or rose wine flavored with pine resin

oregano, an indispensable herb used in countless dishes

garlic sauce

skewered food

spinach fila pastries

crushed sesame seed paste

fish roe from gtray mullet

fish roe spread

fila stuffed with Greek cheese

Tsatziki: cucumber yogurt dip

Definitions for the following Greek cooking terms are from Steve Ettlinger's
book The Restaurant Lover's Companion.

Tyria (Greek Cheeses)

A semisoft cheese, not very salty; usually made from sheep's milk

a mild Gruyre-type cheese; made from either sheep's or cow's milk

a soft unsalted cheese; made from sheep's or goat's milk whey; served with

soft and hard varieties; made from sheep's or goat's milk whey

Greek Olives

black and round with a nutty-sweet taste; from the central mainland of

large and crunchy with a mild flavor; from various Ionian islands

Cracked green
made by cracking unripe green olives, placing them in water for several
weeks to remove their bitterness, then storing them in brine

small, wrinkled, dry-cured olives with a very strong flavor; from the island
of Thassos

Glykismata (Desserts)

Single-layer, dark, moist nut cake (made with coarsely chopped walnuts or
almonds) topped with a light honey/sugar syrup

Pasta Flora
a lattice-topped tart filled with apricot pure

Golden yellow cake made with farina or semolina and topped with a light
sugar/honey or orange-flavored syrup

Fenikia or Melomakarouna
Oblong, honey-dipped cookies covered with chopped nuts

Thin strips of dough tied, folded, or twisted into bows or loops and
deep-fried, then dipped in a honey syrup and topped with chopped nuts

creamy rice pudding with a sprinkling of cinnamon on top

made-to-order deep-fried honey balls topped with honey; served warm

A custard-filled dessert made with phyllo topped with a light honey/sugar

Shredded dough filled with chopped nuts and cinnamon and topped with a
honey/sugar syrup

Crisp, golden-colored, subtly sweet cookies shaped by hand; sometimes
covered with sesame seeds

...*sigh* It all sound delicious and I am half a world away...!

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To Cafenio (The Cafe)
26 Loukianou

Located in the fashionable Kolonaki section, this ouzerie offers regional
specialties from throughout Greece. A luncheon menu features 16 meze.
They include:

fava bean pure

zucchini fritters

cabbage leaves stuffed with beef and rice and served with avgolemono

eggplant pure

cheese pie

spinach pie

potato salad

melizana papoutsaka
eggplant stuffed with ground beef with tomato sauce and cheese

lamb intestines rolled into a sausage

fried Kasseri cheese

kolokithia yemista
zucchini stuffed with ground beef and rice and served with avgolemono


fried white bait

beef meatballs baked in the oven

fried beef meatball

house salad
artichoke zucchini, green beans, mushrooms, and onion dressed with dill

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Sadziki (sahd-zee-key): Yogurt, cucumber and garlic, and salt. Great on fresh Greek bread.
Melitzana Salata (mel-its-zan-na sal-ah-ta): Eggplant salad. Like Babaganoush in the middle east. Eaten on
Tarama Salata (tah-rah-mah sal-ah-tah): roe of carp. Greek caviar. Don't be afraid to try it. It doesn't taste like
you expect. Eaten on bread.
Saganaki (saga-nah-ki): fried cheese. Sometimes comes with tomato sauce. I like it plain with lemon.
Capari Salata (cap-ah-ri sa-lah-tah): Caper salad. Sifnos specialty. Goes on bread.
Tiro Salata (tee-row sa-lah-tah): Cheese salad. Strong sometimes spicy. Spread on bread
Olives (ill-yes): a hundred different varieties. Don't say you don't like olives until you have tried them all. You may
find one you can't live without.
Casseri(keh-seh-ree) Soft cheese like mozzerela.
Keftedes (kef-teh-des): Deep-fried Meatballs. Other areas have their own variety of keftedes. Sifnos has
Revithiakeftedes (reh-veeth-ya-kef-teh-des), made from chickpeas. Santorini has Domatokeftedes
(tho-mah-toh-kef-teh-des) made from Tomatoes. There are also Tirokeftedes (tee-row-kef-teh-des) made with
cheese and psarokeftedes (psah-row-kef-teh-des) made with fish. They are all delicious.
Spanakopita (span-ah-koh-pee-tah) Spinach pie
Tiropita (tee-row-pee-ta): Cheese pie
Kreatopita (kray-ah-toh-pee-tah): Meat pie
Choriatiki Salata (hoe-ree-ah-tee-key sa-lah-tah): Village salad or what we in America call a Greek Salad,
except here you usually don't get lettuce. It generally consists of Tomatoes(tho-mah-tes),Cucumbers(an-goo-ree),
Onions(crem-ee-thya), Feta, Oil(la-thee), vinigear (ksee-dee) and olives(ill-yes). Sometimes they leave off the
feta so you have to ask for it and they charge you extra. When I order I ask for a hoe-ree-ah-tee-key meh feh-tah, a
village salad with feta, just to avoid this. If you want it without any of the above items just tell the waitor: hoe-ris
(without) and the name of the item.
Lakanika (la-cah-nee-kah): Cabbage salad.
Horta (hoar-ta): Boiled greens. Very healthy and good with lemon, oil and vinigear.
Vleeta (vlee-tah): Cooked and served like horta but different greens. Restaurants will have one or the other.
Yigendes (yee-gen-des): Big beans like lima beans served either with oil and lemon or with tomatoe sauce.
Fava(fah-vah): Dip or stew made from yellow split peas that can be eaten with a spoon or with bread.
Kolokithikia Vrasta(koh-loh-kee-thak-ya vras-tah): Boiled zuchinni seasoned with oil, lemon and sometimes
Patates Tiganites (pa-tah-tes tee-gah-nee-tes): fried potatoes. Greek french fries blows MacDonalds away. It
must be the oil.
Patates to Fourno (pa-tah-tes toh for-no): Oven roasted potatoes. My favorite dish.
Briam(bree-am): roast vegetables. Usually contains potatoes, onions, zucchini, eggplant, garlic and tomatoes.
Rivithia (reh-vee-thya): Chickpea stew. Araka (ah-rah-kah): Peas. Cooked with onions and tomatoes.
Stifado(stee-fah-doh): Stew made with lots of small onions, tomatoes and either rabbit (kou-nell-ee),
lamb(ar-nee), or octopus(ock-toh-poh-thee).
Dolmades (doh-mah-des): Grape-leaves stuffed with rice, onions and sometimes ground beef.
Macaronia (mak-ah-ron-ya): Spagetti as we call it. Served with ground beef (meh kee-mah) or tomatoe sauce
(sal-tsa). If you want to say without meat say ho-ris kray-ahs.
Mousaka (moo-sah-kah): Baked and similar eggplant parmegeon but not as tomato saucy. Contains eggplant,
potatoes, onions, ground beef, oil, cinnamin, and a flour, milk and butter topping.
Pastitsio(pah-sti-tsyo): Like Lasagna but not as saucy. Layered noodles, meat, tomato sauce and topping
similar to mousaka but denser.
Anginares (ang-ee-nar-es): Artichokes in lemon and egg sauce with potatoes.

Lamb (arn-nee)Dishes

Fricasse (arn-nee free-cah-seh): Stew made with spinach, lemon, eggs and oil.
Psito(psee-toh) Leg of lamb roasted with potatoes.
Sti Carbona(stee-car-bon-ah): charcoal grilled.
Pidakia (pie-dye-kya): Ribs grilled.

Chicken (Koh-toh-poo-loh)

Psito or To Fourno (toh four-no): Oven Roasted with potatoes or roast.
Me Saltsa (meh sal-tsah): In red sauce.
Tis skaras(tis ska-ras): On the grill
Souvlas (sou-vlas): Shishkabob
Stithos (stee-thos): Breast
Podi (po-thee): Leg

Grilled Meats

Brizoles (bree-zoh-les):Steak
Khirini (khe-ree-nee) Pork
Souvlakia (sue-vlak-yah): Shish-cabob
Loukanika (lou-con-ee-kah): sausage
Kokoretsi(ko-ko-ret-see): Entrails of lamb wrapped up and roasted on a spit.
Kontosouvli (konto-sou-vli): Big hunks of pork cooked on a spit.


Astako (as-tak-ko): Lobster. Mediteranean stylen no claws
Garides (ga-ree-des): Shrimp, usually large and grilled
Xifia (ksee-fee-ya): Swordfish. Grilled steaks or souvlaki.
Barbounia(bar-boon-ya): Red Mullet. Expensive and delicious grilled or fried.
Marides(mar-ree-des): Small deep fried fish that can be eaten whole, heads bones and all.
Gopes (go-pes): Small tasty in-expensive fish served fried or grilled.
Soupia(soup-ya): Cuttle fish. Served grilled or with a red wine-sauce.
Midia (Me-dia): Mussels, Steamed or in a wine sauce.
Bakaliaro(bak-ah-lar-oh): Fried codfish served with garlic sauce (skor-da-ya).
Galeos (ga-lay-os), shark is also served this way.
Octopodi (ock-toh-poh-thee) Octopus. Delicious like filet-minion. Can be served grilled (tis ska-ras) or boiled
(vrah-stah). Excellent with ouzo by the sea.
Kalamarikia (kah-la-ma-rike-ya): Squid. Frozen is usually fried in small pieces. Fresh is usually fried whole. Both
delicious with lemon.
Sardeles (sar-dell-es): Sardines. Can be served fried, or from the can with oil. In Lesvos a special treat is
pastes (pas-tess) which means that the sardines were caught that morning, salted on the boat and served raw
that night. With ouzo it can't be beat.
Rega(reh-ga): smoked herring in olive oil. Usually an appetizer.
Psarosoupa (psar-oh-soup-ah): Fish soup. Potatoes, lemon and egg base, can be ordered with or without fish.


Bread is psoh-me.
Eggs are av-ga.
Omelet is Om-eh-let-ah. Try it with feta or the famous potato omelets(pa-ta-to om-eh-let-ah).
Watermellon is kar-poo-zee
Honeydew Melon is peh-pon-ee
Apple is me-lo
Rice pudding is ree-zo-gah-low
Yogurt is ya-oar-ti
With fruit is me fruit-ta
With honey is me mel-lee
Wine is Krah-see. Red is Koh-kee-no. White is as-pro. Kee-ma is homemade from the barrel.
Patsa (Pat-sa): Tripe soup. Good for hangovers.
Glass is po-tee-ree.
Caraffe is ka-ra-fa-kee.
Bottle is boo-kal-ee.
Water is neh-ro.
Menu is cat-ah-lo-go.
Check is lo-ga-ree-as-mo.
Thank-you is ef-ka-ree-sto.


 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 80 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 15, 2001 (23:05) * 1 lines 
Now, to master the pronounciation (which will have all the wrong inflections...)

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 81 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 15, 2001 (23:11) * 1 lines 
A very good guide for all those making their first visit to Greece, or planning to go - even if just in their dreams:

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 82 of 138: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Wed, Dec 19, 2001 (02:17) * 6 lines 
Astonishing work Marcia!
Dreams are usually impressive. But your descriptions exceed them. You know already more things for Greece than that I know.

But, as it usually happens, in the internet they present only the beautiful side. What perhaps it is unknown to you is the Mediterranean attitude of persons. The way of life tends to become as yours and the Greek ways become less day by day. Athens does not differ a lot from any European or American megalopolis. Fortunately far from Athens the ways are still Greek.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 83 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 19, 2001 (22:44) * 3 lines 
This comment on lifestyles is very much as it is in Hawaii. They only show the beautiful parts in pictures, Honolulu is like any large city on earth, and the further away you get from people who have moved here from otehr places, the more like old Hawaii it is.

I assumed the Mediterranean attitude was of passion and joy for life. Hawaii is very casual and relaxed. It is easy to be lazy here, and those who do not adapt to this slow life gets unhappy and usually moves away after a few years of trying to make Hawaii like the rest of the world. I had hoped Greece had the passion and joy of living you have for your work and your life and perhaps a few other things... *Smile*

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 84 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 19, 2001 (22:46) * 1 lines 
Thank you for the kind words for what I wrote. I have loved Greece since my early childhood when I lived in books of mythology and archaeology. Now, I have a renewed interest. *Sigh*

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 85 of 138: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Sun, Dec 23, 2001 (05:35) * 5 lines 

Health & Happiness to all of you!

Peace on Earth without natural disasters!

( John from Greece )

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 86 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec 23, 2001 (21:01) * 2 lines 
Merry Christmas, John! Kala Christouyenna!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 87 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec 23, 2001 (21:02) * 3 lines 
I even have a little wav file telling me how to pronounce it.

Kala Christouyenna!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 88 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 29, 2001 (20:25) * 66 lines 
*December 25th
by Gary Van Haas

Christmas was never considered much of a holiday in Greece
compared with Easter, but things have slowly changed and now it's
finally become a much cherished. For instance, now you'll find
Christmas in Greece celebrated with lavish decorations and lights
strung across most of the streets in major cities and towns. Athens
in particular has responded to the revival of Christmas where its
flamboyant mayor, Dimitris Avramopoulos, has added new colour to
the festivities by erecting the largest Christmas tree in Europe. This
tree can be seen towering above busy Syntagma (Constitution
square), where Athens now also hosts exciting 'live' stage acts and
shows featuring many of Greece's popular entertainers.

But the beginnings of Christmas in Greece go back to the time of St.
Nicholas, who was known as the patron saint of sailors. According
to Greek tradition, his clothes were soaked with brine, his beard
drenched with saltwater, and his face is covered with perspiration
because he had been fighting the storms and waves to reach sinking
ships and rescue drowning men from the sea. Even today there is
still an old custom where many ships never leave port without a St.
Nicholas icon carried in the boat.

In Greece, there are many Christmas customs that are similar, yet
slightly different from the West. Such as the custom on Christmas
Eve where village children travel from house to house offering good
wishes and singing 'kalanda', the equivalent of Christmas carols. The
children often accompany the songs using small metal triangles and
little clay drums. Afterwards, the children are usually given sweets or
coins in appreciation.

In Greek Christmas, the feast itself becomes the main attraction by
both adults and children alike. Lamb and pork are roasted in ovens
and open spits, and on almost every table are loaves of
'christopsomo' ('Christ bread'). This bread is usually made in large
sweet loaves of various shapes and the crusts are engraved and
decorated in some way that reflects the family's profession.

In Greek homes, Christmas trees are not commonly used, but
recently have become more popular. In almost every house though-
the main symbol of the season is a shallow wooden bowl with a
piece of wire is suspended across the rim; from that hangs a sprig of
basil wrapped around a wooden cross. A small amount of water is
kept in the bowl to keep the basil alive and fresh. Once a day, a
family member, usually the mother, dips the cross and basil into
some holy water and uses it to sprinkle water in each room of the
house. This ritual is believed to keep the 'Killantzaroi' (bad spirits)
away. There are a number of beliefs connected with these spirits,
which are supposed to be a species of goblins who appear only
during the 12-day period from Christmas to the Epiphany (January
6). These creatures are believed to come from the center of the earth
and to slip into people's house through the chimney. More
mischievous than actually evil, the Killantzaroi do things like
extinguish fires, ride astride people's backs, braid horses' tails, and
sour the milk. To further repel the undesirable sprites, the hearth is
kept burning day and night throughout the twelve days. Gifts are
finally exchanged on St. Basil's Day (January 1). On this day the
"renewal of waters" also takes place, a ritual in which all water jugs
in the house are emptied and refilled with new "St. Basil's Water."
The ceremony is often accompanied by offerings to the 'naiads',
spirits of springs and fountains. All in all, Christmas is an enjoyable
part of Greece today and one that should be experienced by all.


 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 89 of 138: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Mon, Dec 31, 2001 (06:47) * 7 lines 

I wish everything good you have deeply in your heart to become real.

From the sunny Greece

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 90 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (18:33) * 19 lines 
Thank you, John! Happy New Year from Sunny Hawaii to snowy Greece.

I found the most wonderful website of Greek "costumes" - the word seems wrong but it works for now. I was searching for the Presidential Guard outfits and discovered so much more.

Uniform of the Greek Presidential Guard, the Evzones

After the liberation of Greece in the first quarter of the 19th century, all male
costumes in the Peloponnese took the form of the foustanela. Extremely popular,
this costume is now one of the world's most well-known traditional garment. It
consists of the following items:
- white cotton shirt
- foustanela (white cotton pleated skirt)
- boudouri (white underpants)
- long knitted white leggings, secured by gonatoures (garters) tied below the knee
- embroidered coat
- fesi (cap)
- tsarouchia (shoes) with pompons

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 91 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (18:37) * 2 lines 
I rather feel badly when men have better legs than I have! Cuter shoes, too.
I am delighted with the above website. I will look for real men in foustanela.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 92 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (18:40) * 1 lines 
foustanelae it would seem to be the proper plural. I will investigate that, also. I need a Greek grammar book...

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 93 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (19:01) * 2 lines 
The history of Greek fashion:

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 94 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (13:54) * 42 lines 
The reason for John's broken leg, perhaps. *Hugs* for sharing with me what had happened to you!

Athens, 7 January 2002 (13:17 UTC+2)

The unprecedented since 1963, as some
Athens residents recall, harsh weather conditions
that have struck all over the country, caught the
state off guard and have caused problems in cities
all over Greece, even in Athens. The northern
suburbs, where the homes of some of the most
distinguished individuals of Greece are located were
completely cut off from the rest of Athens. Schools
will remain closed for the next three days,
according to announcements made by the
government yesterday.

The Spata airport, Eleftherios Venizelos, is in
its 4th day of being snowed in. As announced by
Olympic Airways, 8 domestic flights that were
scheduled to leave from Athens between
5:00-9:30am were cancelled, but flights will start
leaving later in the day.

Many motorists spent the weekend buried in 4
feet of snow on the Larisa-Athens highway. The
lowest temperature recorded yesterday was 14 C
in Tripolis. Florina experienced temperatures of 10
C, while Larisa and Karpenissi recorded
temperatures of 8 C. In Kastoria, the frozen lake
surface had to broken, as in many other country
lakes, for the Theofania ritual to take place, at 5 C.
The temperature in the broader Attica region was 1
in the early morning hours.

According to the National Weather forecasting
Service, a gradual improvement of the weather is
expected today, while snowfall has decreased in
Attica, Viotia and Evia.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 95 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (13:56) * 30 lines 
Thessaloniki, 5 January 2002 (15:26 UTC+2)

The National Weather Bureau predicts arctic
weather in Greece with freezing temperatures for
the next few days.

The temperature in Thessaloniki will be between
-9 and -3 degrees Centigrade.

In the wider region of Athens there will be
snowfall and strong winds and temperature will be
between -2 to 2 degrees Centigrade.

Bad weather also hit the Aegean islands
creating many problems in the sea transportation,
while there are problems in the electricity supply
and the road network.

The "Eleftherios Venizelos" Athens Airport that
was closed due to bad weather opened at noon
today, while motorists moving from and to the
airport face serious problems due to the snow.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 96 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (13:58) * 29 lines 
Athens, 7 January 2002 (16:39 UTC+2)

Serious problems in electricity supply, water
supply as well as in the market supply with fresh
fruit and vegetables are still faced by the
prefectures of Attica, Evia, Viotia and the Aegean
island of Crete which were mainly hit by the recent
bad weather.

The transfer of patients to hospitals in the wider
region of Athens was conducted with great
difficulty, while schools will remain closed in the
prefectures of Attica, Viotia and Evia until
Wednesday. The schools in other regions also hit
by bad weather will open tomorrow.

Extensive damages were recorded in agriculture
as a result of the snowfall and freezing

The Ministers of Agriculture and Economy will
hold a meeting this week. They are expected to
request EU economic support for the farmers who
suffered damages as a result of the unprecedented
bad weather.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 97 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (21:34) * 26 lines 
I can't even begin to guess how to ornament this article. I did not know they DID this. *Sigh* I am learning...

Women rule for a day in N.E. Greece in annual reversal of roles
08/01/2002 22:32:15

Women take "power" for a day in several villages in northeastern Greece as the
ancient custom of "female rule" was once again adhered to on Tuesday, marking
the importance of fertility, as the central person of the celebration is the midwife of the community.

The custom mandates the reversal of roles between men and women, as
the former stay at home taking care of the children and doing housework, while
the women take to the streets and indulge in all the pleasant activities of men,
barring of course work.

Women visit coffee shops and play cards and backgammon, they parade
the streets and set up impromptu parties, "blessed" by the midwife, who is their
"ringleader" in this reversal of roles.

Of course, as in any "established order", there are violators of women's
rule day and, as in the case of other "established orders", they are "punished" by being drenched with cold water, in the middle of the winter no less.

The ancient custom, lost in the lore and mists of past times, was brought
to Greece by ethnic Greek refugees from eastern Romylia, currently eastern
Bulgaria, who arrived in Greece during a population exchange in the early 20th

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 98 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (21:36) * 1 lines 
I thought macho was the order of the day 7/365 in the Mediterranean. I have a source for further information. I will ask her.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 99 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (14:57) * 24 lines 
Segnoriso apo tin Kopsi tou spathiou tin tromeri;
Segnoriso apo tin opsi pou me via metra tin yi.
Ap ta Kokkala vyalmeni ton ellinon ta iera
Ke san prot' anthriomeni haire o hair'eleftheria.
Ke san prot' anthriomeni haire o hair'eleftheria,
Ke san prot' anthriomeni haire o hair'eleftheria.

Hymn To Freedom

I shall always recognise you
By the dreadful sword you hold,
As the earth, with searching vision,
You survey, with spirit bold.
'Twas the Greeks of old whose dying
Brought to birth our spirit free.
Now, with ancient valour rising,
Let us hail you, oh Liberty!


 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 100 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (15:02) * 41 lines 
We knew thee of old,
Oh, divinely restored,
By the lights of thine eyes
And the light of thy Sword

From the graves of our slain
Shall thy valour prevail
As we greet thee again-
Hail, Liberty! Hail!

Long time didst thou dwell
Mid the peoples that mourn,
Awaiting some voice
That should bid thee return.

Ah, slow broke that day
And no man dared call,
For the shadow of tyranny
Lay over all:

And we saw thee sad-eyed,
The tears on thy cheeks
While thy raiment was dyed
In the blood of the Greeks.

Yet, behold now thy sons
With impetuous breath
Go forth to the fight
Seeking Freedom or Death.

From the graves of our slain
Shall thy valour prevail
As we greet thee again-
Hail, Liberty! Hail!

Lyrics: --Dionysios Solomos, 1824 (he is on the "old" 20 GDR coin)

Music: Nikolaos Mantzaros, 1828

Adopted: 1864

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 101 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (15:27) * 52 lines 

"The pattern and colors of the Greek Flag haven't changed a lot since the Revolution of the
Greek Nation in 1821. Many people wonder why the founders of the Hellenic Democracy
have chosen the symbols, patterns and colors that appear on the National Flag of Greece. It
is difficult to unreveal the true intentions of the people responsiblefor the selection of
the flag. This is a personal attempt to interpret thedesigns and colors of the flag and its
relation to Greece and Hellenism".


"The number of the lines is based on the number of the syllables in the Greek phrase:
Eleutheria H Thanatos (Freedom or Death)".


"Freedom or Death was the motto during the years of the Hellenic Revolution against the
Ottoman Empire in the 19nth century [There are claims that the number of lines reflects the
number of letters in the greek word for Freedom which equals 9]. This word stirred theheart
of the oppressed Greeks, it created intense emotions and inspired them to fight and
gain their freedom after 400 years of slavery. The line pattern was chosen because of their
similarity with the wavy sea that surounds the shores of Greece.The interchange of blue
and white colors makes the Hellenic Flag on a windy day to look like the Aegean Pelagos.
Only the quaint islands are missing! The Greek Square Cross that rests on the upper
left-side ofthe flag and occupies one fourth of the total area demonstrates the respect and
the devotion the Greek people have for the Greek Orthodox Church and signifies the
important role of Christianity in the formation of the modern Hellenic Nation. During the
dark years of the Ottoman rule, the Greek Orthodox Church helped the enslaved Greeks to
retain their cultural characteristics: the Greek language, the Byzantine religion and
generally the Greek ethnic identity, by the institution of the Crypha Scholia (hidden
The Crypha Scholia were a web of schools that operated secretly throughout Greece and
were committed in transmitting to the Greeks the wonders of theirancestors and the rest
oftheir cultural heritage. Today, Christianity is still the dominant religion among Greeks.
Therefore the existence of the Cross is justified."


"Blue and White! These two colors symbolize the blue of the Greek Sea and the Whiteness
of the restless Greeks waves!
According to the mythic legends, the Goddess of Beauty, Aphrodite emerged from these
waves. In addition, it reflects the blue of the Greek Sky and the White of the few clouds
that travel in it. There are some who suggest that the blue and white was symbolizes the
similar color of the clothing (vrakes) of the Greek sailors during the Greek War of

Work by "Konstantin Efantis".

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 102 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 10, 2002 (15:09) * 55 lines 
In the ancient Olympics athletes competed in the nude

The word "gymnasium" comes from the Greek word gymnos, which means naked. In ancient times athletes
practised in the nude to the accompaniment of music. They also performed naked at the Olympic Games.
Women were not allowed to participate or even to attend as spectators.

The first Olympic games were held in 776BC - and then every 4 years until 339BC. The first Olympic race was won by
Corubus, a chef. For many years the Olympics consisted of only one race, a sprint of 192 metres (210 yards, the length of
the stadium) called the "stadion." A second race of 400 metres was added 50 years later. The pentathlon, wrestling, boxing,
single-horse and four-horse chariot races were included later still. There also was a special event in which runners competed in
hoplite armor, helmet, shield, and greaves that weighed 20-25 kg (50-60 lbs). There were no team events, relay races or the
long distance race of Marathon - these events were introduced in the modern Olympics.

The record for the most Olympic medals ever won is held by Soviet gymnast Larissa Latynina. Competing in three
Olympics, between 1956 and 1964, she won 18 medals: 9 gold, 5 silver and 4 bronze. Thus she also tops the list of
gold medals winners, beating Olympic stars such as US swimmer Mark Spitz and Finnish long distance runner
Paavo Nurmi

Go for silver
No medals were awarded in the ancient Olympics. A winner received an olive wreath to wear on his head. Second and third
placings received nothing. When the Olympics were revived in 1896 in Athens, Greece, winners received silver medals instead
of gold medals. Eight years later, at the 1904 Games in St. Louis, gold replaced silver for first place. Today's gold medals
actually are sterling silver covered with a thin coat of gold.
Olympic medals since 1928 have featured the same design on the front: a Greek goddess, the Olympic Rings, the coliseum of
ancient Athens, a Greek vase known as an amphora, a horse-drawn chariot, and the year, number of the Olympiad, and host

The Sydney 2000 Olympics was only the second Olympic Games to be held in the Southern hemisphere. The
Olympic torch relay began on 8 June at Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park and arrived at the Olympic Stadium for the
opening ceremony on 15 September. It was carried for 100 days through 1000 towns by 10,000 torchbearers. On
average 100 torchbearers per day covered 270 kilometers (170 miles) per day, carrying the torch at an average 8,5
km/h (5 mph).

Games for all
At the first modern Olympic Games there were 311 male but no female competitors. Women were allowed to take part in the
next Olympics in Paris. In the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games there were 3543 female competitors.

The oldest Olympic athlete at the Sydney Games was a 62-year-old archer representing Vanuatu. But he has some years to
go to be the oldest ever Olympian. That title is held by Swedish shooter Oscar Swahn who won his sixth Olympic medal at the
1920 Antwerp Games at the age of 72 years and 280 days old. The youngest ever Olympian is Greek gymnast Dimitrios
Loundras, who competed in the 1896 Athens Olympics. He was 10 years old.

The Olympic Games is the largest single broadcast event in the world, broadcasted in 220 countries to more than 3.5 bilion

The first ever perfect score of 10 in Olympic gymnastics
was achieved at the 1976 Montreal Olympics by
Romanian Nadia Comaneci. She won 3 gold medals.
The Sydney Olympic Village accommodated 10,200
competitors and 5,100 officials. The Media Village
accommodated 6,000 accredited media representatives.

The modern Olympics is the brainchild of Baron Pierre de Coubertin of France. He organised the first modern Olympic Games
in Athens, Greece in 1896. A total of 245 athletes from 14 nations competed. (More than 10,000 athletes competed in the
Sydney 2000 Olympics.)

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 103 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan 16, 2002 (23:33) * 10 lines 
... It is these heavily indented shores which give Greece such
rare beauty, quite unique in the Mediterranean. The length of the Greek
coastline is estimated at 15,000 kilometers. The marked variety of the terrain
above water continues under water, along the seabed which, millions of years
ago, formed a projection of the land. Close to Cape Tainaron, (Tenaro) off the
South tip of the Peloponnese, the so-called Oinousai (Inousses) Pit is 4,850
meters deep which is the deepest point in the Mediterranean.

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 Response 105 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 17, 2002 (21:41) * 33 lines 
Olympic Torch

Planning for the 2002 relay began three years.

The first Olympic Torch Relay, held during the 1936 Berlin
Games when the flame traveled from Olympia, Greece to Berlin,
lasted 12 days and covered 1,910 miles across seven countries.

The flame is ignited by the sun's rays in Olympia, Greece and
is kept in a lantern that travels with the relay.

More than 11,500 torchbearers will travel more than 13,500
miles from December 4, 2001 until February 8, 2002.

The relay begins at 7:00 a.m. daily with an average of 180
torchbearers carrying the flame about 208 miles over the
course of 12 hours.

The torch, made of silver, copper, and glass, was designed by
Sam Shelton, a mechanical engineering professor at Georgia
Institute of Technology.

It takes each torchbearer an average of eight minutes to car-
ry the torch their 0.2 miles, but there is no time limit.

When a torchbearer comes within three to six inches of ano-
ther torchbearer, the flame jumps to the other torch.

The relay will pass through 46 states, with the exception of
Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Hawaii.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 106 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 24, 2002 (22:48) * 13 lines 
(Cultural, Scientific & General News Category)
February 2002: Very close to give answers about the mystery of the creation of universe is the Greek professor, Dr. Michalis Tatarakis who came off to create the largest and most powerful laboratory based magnetic field by using the laser technology. The results of his experiments were recently published by the 'Nature', the most known International scientific magazine. The power of the magnetic field created by Dr. Tatarakis is very close to that of the magnetic fields we found in space and more specifically to the 'Neutron Stars' and 'White Dwarfs' which comprise the oddments of the lives of the stars. Dr. Tatarakis aims to create in laboratory conditions the adequate circumstances in order to achieve a perfect stimulation of the creation and the action of those orbs, as much we are able to understand the way and the processes of the creation of the stars and of the universe. At this point, it is worth to point out that laboratory created magnetic fields of such power are !
very important for the creation of high energy electrons directional bonds that are subject to various applications of science and technology.

(Cultural, Scientific & General News Category)
February 2002: The 2002 Winter Olympics started on February 8th in Salt Lake City, USA. During his stay in Utah's capital the Greek Minister for the Culture inaugurated the Greek stand which is situated in Salt Lake City downtown and in which is displayed audiovisual material presenting the 2004 Athens Summer Games preparation and inform the audience about the targets of the Cultural Olympics. The Minister had also proceeded in the unveiling of a Prometheus statue during a symbolic ceremony organized by Greek-Americans. The Minister for the Culture together with the Greek Minister of Foreign Affairs attended a Greek oriented exhibit where they were presented the works of the Greek painter Mina Valyrakis who was voted as the 'Sport Artist of the Year' by the American Sports Federation and of the Greek-American Euripides Kastaris, an artist connecting the Olympic ideal with the 2002 and 2004 Games. On the other hand, the Greek Minister for the Culture had an appointment with t!
he president of the Peking 2008 Organizing Committee and discussed the future cooperation between Greece and China concerning the cultural dimension of the Olympics. The Chinese part was very interested about the philosophy of the 2001-2004 Cultural Olympics. In this direction, the president of the Peking 2008 Organizing Committee indicated Greece's knowledge and experience on Cultural Olympics and expressed the willingness of China to be helped by Greece in the organization of cultural exhibits. During the meeting was decided the sign of a protocol of cooperation concerning the Cultural Olympics.
********************************************************************* Newsletter#22, February 2002

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 107 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 24, 2002 (23:46) * 75 lines 
Aittle late but I find Greece has their own Carnival traditions before Lent:

Greek carnival treats

'Apokries' is not just about wearing costumes, food also plays a big
partin the festivities - especially barbecued meat


IN GREECE up to the end of World War II and in
some villages perhaps well after, carnival season
(apokria) was usually celebrated by outdoor events
that have long disappeared. But the older people must
remember the troupes of mummers dressed in colourful costumes and dancing
around a central maypole, from which coloured ribbons held by the revellers
were entwined and disentangled in turn. The procession, for such it was when
the children of the district got wind of the proceedings, was called to gaitanaki,
from the word gaitani, meaning a string or a ribbon. Onlookers, passers-by
and people from doors and windows threw coins at the dancers, quickly picked
up by the waiting troupe members.

Another favourite event was the street puppet show. The "stage" was a light
wooden frame of a man's height and less than a square metre of area. It
supported a piece of cheap cloth that went all around and might have been an
old sheet, to hide the performer and enhance the magic of the spectacle. A
variety of puppets appeared and disappeared in rapid succession, beating each
other up to the point of insensibility, to the utter delight of the children who saw
someone else getting beaten for a change. The show was called phasoules, the
accent on the last syllable, something like "the beanstalk" or Mr Bean - no pun

In Thrace, northeastern Greece, a much more serious dramatic performance
took place on Monday of the third week of carnival. The performance was
called the kalogeroi, which may mean the monks, but in this case it is more
likely to be a sardonic reference to the Good Old Men (Kaloi Geroi). The play
requires several performers, all men of the village, chosen according to
established tradition. The characters are two old men, an old granny and her
prematurely born child played by a small log, two young girls or brides, two
Gypsies and two policemen.

The troupe, appropriately dressed or rather disguised, walks through the village
usually accompanied by drums and bagpipes, one of the old men holding a bow
made of cornel-wood so fashioned as to shoot ashes instead of arrows, the
other old man holding a phallus-like rod - both indicative of their intentions.

The play and its preliminaries involve holding up people for ransom, secret
assignations and premature births, forceful marriage, ritual murder and magic
resurrection, the forging of new ploughs by the Gypsies, and the voiced wishes
of the head of the village that may wheat be 20 piastres a measure, barley 3
piastres and rye 5 piastres.

Richard Dawkins, former director of the English Archaeological School in
Athens, wrote in a 1906 article that every single feature of the play recalls
Dionysiac worship. A ceremony designed to influence the forces of nature and
the fertilising power of the land.

It was perhaps from such lowly beginnings that the tragic drama of the Greeks
developed, from which subsequently our theatre and the performing arts took
hold. If the elements of the play are as old as Dawkins and other scholars
thought, the mention of rye is important. Rye, unlike wheat and barley, is not
found in the Greek excavation record. But the wild mountains of Thrace would
be the places where rye would outperform both other cereals.

What about eating? Well, one can't live on food alone. All you have to
remember is that the first week of Carnival is one of preparation. The second
week is meat-eating time and especially Thursday, appropriately called
Tsiknopempti, smoky-Thursday from the word tsikna, the scent of barbecued
meat. The final week is cheese-eating time, to which you may add eggs and
milk. The following recipes may be of some help.

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 Response 108 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar  1, 2002 (20:04) * 21 lines 
Greece officially says farewell to drachma
01/03/2002 22:24:13

Greece on Friday officially ended the parallel circulation of the drachma with the euro, leaving the single European currency as the only legitimate currency in the country.

The drachma withdrawal procedure was fairly smooth, the Bank of Greece
said in a statement, with approximately 2.7 trillion drachmas, or 90 percent of
drachma in circulation by the end of 2001, withdrawn from the market by February

Drachma was Greece's national currency for the last 169 years, as it was in
the past for ancient Athens and other Greek cities. It was issued in 1833 replacing phoenixe, the first currency of the Greek state, to mark Greece's modern history both in times of trouble and prosperity.

The drachma was part of a various monetary systems in the past, such as the
Latin Monetary Union, the Gold standard, Bretton Woods' foreign exchange system,
the European Monetary System's foreign exchange mechanism - a precondition for
participating in EMU.
 The Bank of Greece said it would continue exchanging drachma banknotes
for euros for the next 10 years, and drachma coins for the next two years.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 109 of 138: John Tsatsaragos  (tsatsvol) * Tue, Mar  5, 2002 (02:20) * 6 lines 
I will try something new here. Please try to hit the play, pause and stop buttons. You will hear popular Greek music, if it is working. If not I am sorry.


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 Response 110 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (21:06) * 1 lines 
I am in IE becaue my netscape does not show me your play bar. Lovely music, John! May I have this dance?

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 Response 111 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (21:15) * 6 lines 
I have had created in Sports conference the topic of The Athens Olympics in 2004

And, for those of you who do not wish to login:

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Translating amorous couplets - A labour of love


CREDIT should be given where credit is due. A
Greek-American Professor, Mr Stylianos V
Spyridakis, translated and Aristide D Caratzas
published the Mantinades. Selected Love Distichs of
Crete. So what? You may ask. So the translations respect both the fifteen
syllable metre and the rhyme. That is what.

Written mostly during the Venetian period (their name comes from the Italian
mattinata, or morning song) in the Cretan vernacular, they blend so successfully
old Greek poetic motifs with romantic love that they are still being created and
sung at village festivals, weddings, baptisms and other joyful events in Crete.
This publication deals only with the 'love distichs' or couplets.

The pain and sorrow of unrequited love is vividly portrayed:

" ,

' ', ."

(A lonely chapel on the hill, silent and forlorn

resembles he who's in love, but from his love is torn.)

Here the need to respect the rhyme damages ever so slightly the simplicity of the
line about the quandary of the man 'who loves but is not loved'. Note also the
assimilation of love with the practice of religion. The man whose love is
shunned, is like an empty shell, a chapel on the hill where mass is never

In a clear reference to romantic love that pledges to last forever and does not
even depend on frequent visual contact (this bit is somewhat lost in the
translation) the Cretan lover identifies completely with his sweetheart.

" '

' ."

(Living apart, by no means, my love for you belies

For I breathe with your breath and see with your eyes.)

Interestingly, love is not portrayed only as the soul's tumult that sweeps
everything on its path but also as the crowning of a long, close relationship that
is more the mark of a successful marriage than the sudden explosion of a coup
de foudre. The long, intimate relation between the sand and the sea on the
seashore used here to portray a love relation of long standing is quite unusual in
Greek folk poetry.

"O ' '


(The seashore draws to its lap the sand day and night

Without you I'm miserable, I miss you my delight.)

One should not miss the delights of this book. Professor Spyridakis merits a
prize of some sort. Is anyone reading this column in the ministry of culture?

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 113 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar  8, 2002 (21:08) * 1 lines 
*Sigh* Let the eyes for which they mean something feel what I feel. Lovely thoughts!

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The magnificent Greek spring flora

Many plants evolve life cycles like dormancy to survive the summer drought

EACH spring Greece hosts a magnificent display of
spring flora - hillsides are a joy to see with carpets of
annuals such as anemones, annual daisies, golden
dandelions, poppies, chrysanthemum, vetches and
anthemis, and bulbs such as ashphodels, crocus, tulips
and grape hyacinth (see end of article for botanical and Greek names).

What brings about this phenomenon? Why do all the flowers bloom together
during spring time?

The answer lies quite simply in survival strategies. Many plants have developed
ways to survive the summer drought, by evolving plant life cycles that include
summer dormancy. Bulbs, corms and tubers survive by spending the summer
safely underground; annual plants complete their growth and flowering from
autumn to spring and their seeds survive the summer months in a dormant state.
Hence, the magnificent floral display in the favourable spring period, before the
big summer heat.

Bulbs (known in the world of botany as geophytes) have underground food and
water stores that allow the plant to escape from the drought. Geophytes are
classified according to the part of the plant that acts as a food store. For
example, true bulbs, such as the Onion or Lily, adapt their leaves to become a
fleshy underground organ that can store food and water. Corms, such as
Gladiolus and Crocus, are swollen portions of underground stem. Iris grow
from rhizomes, which are in fact horizontal fleshy stems. Begonias sprout from a
tuber, a fat underground stem that is shorter and thicker than a rhizome.

These underground food stores expand in favourable conditions to produce
leaves and flowers. They replenish their resources during the wet season from
soil nutrients and also from photosynthesis, the process through which a plant
traps sunlight to make food, flowering during late winter and spring. During the
hot dry months of late summer, most geophytes become dormant, storing their
accumulated food supply while showing little or no sign of life above ground. In
autumn or spring plants sprout again in response to favourable conditions of
moisture and temperature. These characteristics are well suited for plant survival
in drier regions of the Mediterranean climate.

Annuals on the other hand, the second main
performers in the spring display, have evolved a
speedy life cycle; the Mediterranean way of life must
suit them, as they are more diverse and abundant in
this climate than in any other, with particular success in
drier extremes of the climate. On the drier eastern
Mediterranean shores of Israel, 50 percent of the total plant species are
annuals, and though I could not locate the percentage for Greece, a significant
proportion of the plants here are annuals. They create spectacular flower
displays, especially in open coastal scrub and grassland, appearing after
favourable winter and spring rains. Annuals are also found in woodland and
maquis, particularly noted as the first to appear in the succession of plants which
follow wildfires.

The short life cycle of annuals makes them well adapted to a brief season of
rainfall - the seed germinates sometime in autumn or winter. Seedlings grow and
produce foliage in winter and early spring, when soil is moist and becoming
warmer, and the air temperature is rising. With warmer sunny weather and
continued availability of water, the plant concentrates all its energy into first
producing flowers, and afterwards, an abundance of seeds.

After they are dispersed, seeds from many species can
survive for long periods, often for many decades, until
moisture, light and temperature conditions are right for
germination. So should adverse conditions occur, the
seed will wait until better times come their way before
it restarts it's cycle of life.

Remember it is important not to take wild flowers from
the wild, but seed collection from a small sample of a
wild population is the best way to introduce these plants to your patch.
Just a small sample of the delights of spring include (Botanical names/ Greek
names where known):
* Anemone (Anemone coronaria/Agriopaparouna/Anemoni, Anemone
pavonina/Anemoni Kokkini)
* Naples Garlic (Allium neapolitanum/Agrioskordho)
* Annual Daisies (Bellis perennis/Stekouli)
* Borage (Borago officinalis)
* Honeywort (Cerinthe retorta/Nekrolachana, Neroulakia)
* Golden Dandelions (Taraxus officinale/Agrioradhiki)
* Poppies (Papaver rhoeas/Paparouna)
* Crown Daisy (Chrysanthemum coronarium/Tsitsimvola)
* Vetches - many, but one of the prettiest and most common is Lathyrus
* Anthemis (Anthemis chia/Papouni/Agriomargarita)
* Bulbs such as ashphodels (Asphodelus aestivus/Asphodelos); Star of
Bethlehem (Ornithogalum umbellatum/Ornithogalo); Tulips (for example Tulipa
undulatifolia/ Toulipa); and Grape Hyacinth (Muscari commutatum/ Mouskari).

much more...

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 Response 115 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar  8, 2002 (21:36) * 1 lines 
Greece shares many similarities with the plants I knew as a child and in Hawaii, both entirely different ecosystems and climates. Euphorbias grow wild and huge in Hawaii. We have many forms of them - some quite like little shrubs and others quite like cacti. How beautiful Greece must be...

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 Response 116 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar 14, 2002 (22:33) * 39 lines 
Anti-global monks eye global charts

By Giorgos Karahalis - Reuters

Greece's most famous boy band, the black-robed Orthodox monks of the Saint Augustine and Seraphim
Sarof monastery, are aiming to break into the English-singing music world.

Like Latin stars Gloria Estefan in the 1980s and Ricky Martin in the 1990s, who dropped their Spanish
tunes for more mainstream English vocals, the monks of Free have now released their first album
containing both Greek and English songs.

By Your Side, the group's third CD in just two years, which includes a English-language club remix of
their chart-topping I Learned to Live Free, was unveiled at a concert in a packed trendy Athens
theater late on Monday.

It tops a remarkable rise to fame for a group of monks from central Greece who initially shot to Greek
stardom and world attention with the anti-globalization hit I Learned to Live Free in 2000.

We don't know how to sing, we don't know how to dance... but we are free and we are by your side,
the monastery's abbot and the group's manager Father Nektarios Moulatsiotis said as hundreds of
screaming youngsters urged the band to perform.

Father Nektarios, the man who convinced his young monks to play music, said the group was using the
same tools as the devil to save young people from the temptations of modern life and bring them closer
to God.

We are by your side with our website, our radio shows, our music, he quipped.

The group's first CD stormed into the charts and in just a few weeks went platinum with over 60,000
sales but also ruffled the feathers of the Greek Orthodox Church which unsuccessfully made efforts to
rein them in. Father Panteleimon, a 30-year-old monk who joined the monastery four years ago, then
took the stage with the new English version of their biggest hit. I don't want to be their fool no more, to
be another living ghost, I'll stand and fight for my soul, he sang as more than 700 people joined in.

We want to let people outside Greece know what we are about. That's why we translated it into
English, he said.

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 Response 117 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar 14, 2002 (22:46) * 3 lines 

Kala Enethlia, Giannis

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I aplolgize for being late in my greeting, but we are celebrating your birth for the rest of the month!

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Fortress of flavour - Achaia Clauss' fine wine

The facts and legends behind Greece's oldest winery - through
Bavarianrule, two world wars, and the civil war


FLANKED by stone towers, the estate's imposing
gate and cobbled courtyard look more suited to a
central European setting. One can almost imagine the
barrels rolling through here to conquer the world. A
short uphill stroll into the courtyard leads to a heavy
wooden door. Inside lies tradition stretching over more
than 130 years. The tradition of Greece's oldest
winery. Welcome to Achaia Clauss.

The producer of many of Greece's most famous wines, Achaia Clauss has
weathered the effects of two world wars, civil war bloodshed and, more
recently, financial difficulty to retain its position as a household name worldwide.
It is also a landmark visited each year by hundreds of people from both Greece
and abroad. They come to sample the wine, walk the grounds and admire the
awards and dedications that cover the walls in the main antechamber. Quite an
achievement, considering that this entire estate sprang from the vision of one
man, and a Bavarian foreigner at that.

Gustav Clauss (1825-1908) first came to Greece in 1852. It was a time of
Bavarian rule, with Otto I, a scion of Bavaria's royal Wittelsbach family, on the
closing years of his reign. Very little is known about Clauss' background, apart
from the fact that he was 27 and working for a Patra raisin export company.
But there is no doubting the fact that he possessed tremendous energy and
determination. Within two years he had purchased six hectares of virgin land in
the foothills of Panahaiko mountain outside Patra and had set out to realise his
vision of a chateau viticole - a wine-producing estate in the best French style.


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 Response 120 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar 14, 2002 (23:31) * 21 lines 
Greek drachma coins to be recycled

Athens, 13/03/2002 (ANA)

Drachma coins withdrawn from circulation, following the introduction of the
euro currency in the country as of January 1, will be recycled through auctions
carried out by the ODDY organization.

An auction has already taken place for 250 tones of drachma coins during
which the ELBAN ABEE company bought 200 tons of coins at 1.30 euros per
kilo, while the Neonakis ABBE company bought 50 tons at the price of 1.36
euros per kilo.

ODDY is in favor of the reauctioning of all spoilt drachma coins, which,
according to assessments by the Bank of Greece, will amount to 9,000 tons.

In this context, the organizations board has already decided to auction 600
tons of coins in Athens and Thessaloniki, determining the auctions' starting
prices as well.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 121 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar 14, 2002 (23:36) * 1 lines 
How does one "spoil" a coin? Especially 9,000 tons of them...

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 Response 122 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar 18, 2002 (18:18) * 5 lines 
Food conference topic 72 is my newly-created Greek Food topic.

For our Greek friends we wish you all 'Kala Koulouma':Clean Monday and Kali Sarakosti, the fourty day period before Greek Orthodox Easter

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An absolute treasure of a site


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(Cultural, Scientific & General News Category)
April 2002: The long awaited mascot of Athens 2004 Olympics was finally known.
Indeed, we talk about a double mascot! For the first time in Olympic
history we have two mascots in one Olympiad. The names of the two mascots
are Phevos and Athena. Phevos and Athena are brother and sister and were
created by Mr. Spyros Gogos, a Greek specialist in cartoons and animation.
Their creation inspires by an ancient Greek doll and their names come from
two ancient Greek Gods; the God Apollo, the Olympian god of light and
music, also known as Phevos and Athena, goddess of wisdom and protectress
of the ancient city of Athens. In this way, Phevos and Athena represent the
link between Greek history and the modern Olympic Games while the two
siblings are supposed to be children of today. According to their creator,
Phevos and Athena represent the values of Olympism: participation,
brotherhood, equality, cooperation and fair play. On the other hand, Athena
and Phevos incarnate two dolls reminding us of the pleasure of indulging in
games; they highlight that the value of participation is higher than that
of victory. At the same time, they are brother and sister, a boy and a
girl, symbols of equality and brotherhood around the world. Above all, the
two children showcase the everlasting Greek value of human scale and remind
us that humanity was, is and will remain at the heart of the Olympic Games.

(Cultural, Scientific & General News Category)
April 2002: During a special exhibition organized by the Hellenic-British
Chamber of Commerce and supported by the British Olympic Committee which
took place in the Hellenic Center of London representatives of the Athens
2004 Organizing Committee presented the nutrition program of the Athens
upcoming Olympics. The exhibition attended representatives of the biggest food companies from
Greece and the UK, the Athens 2004 grantors and journalists specialized in
nutritional items. The exhibition focused on Greek diet by underlying its
beneficial effects for the human health and the symbolic meaning of its use
in the Olympics dietary menu was marked also. The exhibition itself was the
occasion for the further promotion of the Athens 2004 Organizing
Committee's work and in this instance, the Greek diet model comprised
Committee's best external evidence.

(Cultural, Scientific&General News Category)
April 2002: A summer school will be held in Ancient Olympia this year,
organized by the Harvard University in cooperation with the 'Center for
Ancient Greek Studies' of Patras University and the Municipality of Ancient
Olympia. The summer school comprises of seminars for students in their
graduate or post-graduate studies, studying classical Greek heritage as
well as the broadening of literary, historical, and philosophical pursuits
of European cultures. This year there will be 50 participants from all over
the world, who will be hosted by the Ancient Olympia Municipality. During
this summer school the students will have the opportunity to attend
lectures from distinguished professors from foreign and Greek universities.
The organizers aim at the continuation of this programme as this to be
turned into an institution dedicated to the promotion of Greece as an
International training center for culture.

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 Response 125 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Apr 29, 2002 (21:17) * 33 lines 
I saw this interview.
Ex-king tells Larry King of exile

The ex-king of Greece, Constantine, pulled a public relations coup over the weekend by appearing on
CNNs Larry King Live show and telling one of televisions top presenters the sorrow of exile.

I think definitely the worst thing of all is missing your country, missing the people in the country,
missing taking your family and showing them the country, seeing your children grow up in your own
homeland, living in your own house, being in your own environment, Constantine said. The former
royal family has lived in England after fleeing Greece in late 1967, when Constantine led a failed
countercoup against a junta that he had sworn in that April.

The Greek people in 1974 had a referendum. They decided they wanted to have a republic, and that
is totally acceptable to me. And I have repeatedly said that I accept the republic and I accept the laws
of the land, Constantine said.

He spoke of the Greek governments confiscation of his familys former property and declared that he
would definitely be in Greece for the Athens 2004 Olympics. The European Court of Human Rights is in
the process of discussing compensation for Constantines property at Monodendri in central Greece,
Tatoi north of Athens and Mon Repos on Corfu. Constantine said that an evaluation ordered by the
government came to $470 million.

The response from the Greek government was the same as it has been whenever the former king raises
the issue of his property or his own return to Greece.

The subject is closed, said government spokesman Christos Protopappas, adding that the properties
now belonged to the Greek people. All that we are discussing now is compensation. And we are
determined to defend the Greek peoples interests in this, he added.

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 Response 126 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Apr 29, 2002 (21:28) * 14 lines 


Two spectators are silhouetted against a
full moon during the AEK-Olympiakos
Greek Cup final at Athens's Olympic
Stadium on Saturday night. AEK beat the
Piraeus team 2-1 for the 12th title in the
Athens squad's history.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 127 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, May  4, 2002 (00:09) * 7 lines 
Pardon my "Greeklish"

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pardon my Greeklish...

Kalo Paska

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Sun shines on massive Easter exodus - Largest departure in decade

The largest exodus of the last few years is underway, with Athenians fanning out across the country to
celebrate the Orthodox Easter and the spring weather. Traffic police are out in force to deal with the
hundreds of thousands of cars on the roads. Extra ships, planes, trains and buses have been scheduled
to deal with the huge demand.

Driving home the message Lets all leave but lets all come back, traffic police are patrolling highways
and provincial roads, working to ease congested points and to keep unruly drivers in line in what they
say is the biggest exodus in a decade. A police helicopter will be coordinating ground forces along the
Athens-Corinth and Athens-Thessaloniki highways. Police said yesterday that traffic was up by more
than 40 percent over the previous year and was expected to reach its peak this afternoon. An extra lane
has been given over to outbound traffic and trucks of over 1.5 tons have been banned from many
segments of highway during the exodus.

Traffic in the port of Piraeus was up 40 percent yesterday with regard to vehicles and 50 percent with
regard to passengers. Since the previous Saturday, 120,000 passengers had left via the port of Piraeus
and another 18,000 from Rafina, an increase of 55 percent from last year. Tickets for islands near
Athens were non-existent days ago, while ships for other destinations are 90-percent full. Only people
who already have tickets will be allowed into harbor areas and travelers are advised to arrive at least an
hour before the ships scheduled departure time, as the ports are jammed with traffic.

Airlines are operating at capacity and Olympic Airways has scheduled larger-than-usual planes on
domestic routes. The Hellenic Railways Organization, operating at 90-percent capacity, has added
more carriages and more trains.

The good weather is expected to get even better. Sunny weather is forecast across the country, with
only a brief interval of scattered showers likely on Sunday in the northern Ionian, Epirus and western
Macedonia. From Monday, the weather will be very sunny, with temperatures reaching 30 degrees

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A tale of two cultures - Tarnished ideals and skepticism color some Greeks views of the 2004 Olympics

By John Ross - Kathimerini English Edition

Easter links Christendom as do few other events. The slow and painful death of Christ on the cross, and
the miraculous story of the resurrection afterward, is about as central a tenet to the Christian faith as
they come. It is celebrated in spring, another timely reminder that life springs eternal.

Yet any Westerner in Greece during Megali Evdomada (Holy Week) needs no reminding that Easter
also accentuates the dissimilarities between the Occidental and Orthodox Christian worlds. In Greece,
even in 2002, you really feel it, feel the quiet heaviness, hear the slow tolling of the bells, see the
normally disinclined flock to church daily, sense the absence of lighthearted activities. All this peaks this
evening, Good Friday, with the mournful carrying of the Epitapheios around town and city
neighborhoods, followed by the faithful bearing candles.

Just as Britain and America are separated by an ocean and a language, so too does the Orthodox
Easter Week contrast with the brief, chocolate-rabbit-and-jelly-bean-based one in the West. The two
Easters are separated by differences in customs but a gulf in meaning and scale, if not exactly on the
scale of Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations. And this year's five-week gap between the two
has merely underscored this reality. Late March is still late winter; by early May it's practically

Easter is scarcely the Olympics, and, in fact, offers a welcome break from preparing for (and reading
about) Games over two years away. But Easter's dual role as both a bridge and a divider between the
two worlds offers a lesson for understanding the continuing hesitancy by many Greeks to embrace the
coming Games with abandon. This theme was taken up a few weeks ago; now I'll resurrect it again,
hard as it is to try to look into a nation's soul and then express what you see (though somebody's got to
do the dirty work).

Natural skepticism

Skepticism may be the most useful description for a large segment of Greek opinion - a term which,
building on this theme of duality, itself has a dual meaning. In English, skeptical means dubious or
doubtful of any received wisdom, but its Greek equivalent is closer to investigation or thought, learning
by means of questioning, assuming the absence of absolute knowledge (skeptikos = thoughtful,
pensive). And the word even has quasi-Olympic connections. A Skeptic was a member of the
eponymous school of ancient Greek thought - associated with Pyrrho of Elis, who lived in the 4th-3rd
centuries BC. Elis was the province in the northeastern Peloponnese where ancient Olympia was
located. By accident of geography if nothing else, the ancient Olympians were skeptics of the purest
kind, it seems.

In a fitting link across the centuries, their modern descendants, scattered around this ancient land but
concentrated to an excessive degree in the Attic basin, have been reluctant to embrace the Games that
will increasingly dominate public life until late 2004. Undoubtedly, many are just fed up with the
practicalities of preparing: the ever-present construction sites, dust, traffic, squabbling politicians, and
heavy costs. Even so, something else is at work too; despite the strenuous efforts made by Athens 2004
and undeniable progress in recent months, and in spite of what's involved, many who aren't opposed
are yawning. Why?

Much of the reason is likely abstract or metaphysical as opposed to something specific or concrete. In
terms of the Olympics, at least, Greeks are Platonists at heart, not Aristotelians; they are true believers
who question others' interpretations, and their belief (but also skepticism) is deeply rooted and
fundamental, not just based on relativist logic. Their concern also relates to what the Olympics
themselves mean.

It works something like this. The Olympics were born here and helped delineate the ancient Greek
world for nearly a millennium in a locational, religious/pilgrimage, architectural, and even
war-and-peace kind of way that long predated their athletic component. Classical education's decline
means that fewer and fewer Greeks (not to mention others) know the details of their ancient culture, but
that doesn't matter at all in this context. In fact, the sloughing-off of the detail merely reinforces the
Olympics' value as a generalized ideal. They are central to the national treasury and national psyche,
much more (because of their great duration) than even pivotal events for countries in the West, where
names like Hastings, Valley Forge, and Bastille have achieved near-universal, quasi-mythical
recognition in people's minds and hearts.

In 1896, the Olympics were revived out of this mix of fact and legend, developed in an age of
nationalism, and expanded further in a postwar world of dizzying economic growth and the blending of
commercial with political life. The contemporary Olympics movement is part of the globalization
phenomenon itself, with its blizzard of images, money, drugs, commercialism, offbeat sports, and word
inflation. The Olympics of today have matured, but they are also unwieldy, like an errant child.

The family analogy is indeed useful. The Olympics are Greece's metaphorical baby which was lured
away and fed by others less committed to the original; not just adopted but co-opted, snatched, and
gradually adulterated and doctored, like an overzealous plastic surgeon, so that the end result bears
scant resemblance to the original version. Now the long-lost child is heading back home. But the child,
hazily remembered as a cute, unspoiled, shy little boy, is returning as a brash, spiky-haired late teen
with an attitude. The returnee - same genes, but now in (torn) jeans - is somehow familiar, yet has
changed and grown beyond all recognition. The parents don't know quite what to make of him, yet
have little choice but to put on a brave face and put up with him as long as required. Love of a sort is
still there; but things have changed, and suspicion and dubiety rather than unquestioned acceptance
become the operative emotions.

Mixed emotions

The result is a mixed bag of unfocused but very real emotion in the host nation. There is no longer the
sense of haughty entitlement that left the bid for the 1996 Golden Olympics in tears. Rather, there is a
sense of the pressure of it, as if Greece not only has to host competent Games but also must somehow
do justice to the ancient version - even while its congested capital city tries to compete with the
Sydneys and Atlantas and Beijings of the modern world. There is a sense of acute inconvenience, as
long-delayed infrastructure works are raced into place and new roadworks give massive headaches to
the capital's long-suffering commuters (however crucial for the future). There is a sense of outrage over
modern (drug, commercial) excesses. And there is a sense of annoyance over foreigners moving in to
tell the Greeks - the keepers of the flame - how to run an updated version of their own ancient festival.
Parents never, ever like to be told how to raise their child, no matter if he's been away for years and is
practically unrecognizable.

In other words, there is an abiding sense for Greeks of the purity or nobility of the Olympics ideal. This
element may not be logical but it is real enough when considering Games whose size has ballooned
but whose high principles have seemingly shrivelled. Above all, perhaps, Greece's hosting of the
Games represents a necessary or inevitable discharging of a long-borne and heavy obligation. And with
2,700 years of history on their collective shoulders, not to mention the practical problems involved,
many Greeks understandably find it difficult to throw their arms up in joy about the whole enterprise.
The reaction to last month's unveiling of the Olympics mascots, Phevos and Athena, was typical; most
criticism seemed to center around the fact that they reminded one of The Simpsons TV characters
rather than whether they were attractive or marketable. I think there will be plenty of joy around when
the Games come around, but not yet.

Overcritical foreigners need to cut Greece some slack when it comes to the Olympic Games. And
Greeks, for their part, may need to lighten up just a little. We can't even go back to the world before
September 11, much less to the ancient Games, and what matters now is doing what needs to be done
while making these Games Greece's own celebration. It doesn't have to be like loving your tormentor; it
can be more like learning to love your fate - amour fati - which can be a great comfort in life. That's not
such a bad recognition here at (Orthodox) Easter.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 131 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, May  9, 2002 (22:48) * 26 lines 
Greeks almost at the bottom of EU's book readers, Eurobarometer report says

BRUSSELS, 08/05/2002 (ANA - B. Demiris)

Greeks rank second to last of the 15 European Union member-state counterparts
in reading books, newspapers and magazines, they do not often go to the
movies, but are avid dancers, a Eurobarometer report published on Tuesday

The report entitled ''Europeans and Culture'' also said that Greeks are the most
likely European Union citizens to listen to their national music and go to concerts of traditional and local popular music.

The report was compiled by an opinion poll with the participation of
16,162 Europeans of which 1,001 Greeks and it was conducted between August
22 and September 27, 2001.

Specifically, the Portuguese, the Greeks and the Spaniards are the least likely
Europeans to read books, only 32 per cent of the Portuguese, 45 per cent of the
Greeks and 47 per cent of the Spaniards responded that they did read at least
one book over the past one year.

Swedes came first with 80 per cent having declared that they read at least one
book over the last year, while Fins came second with 75 per cent and the Britons
third with 74 per cent, when the European Union average was 60 per cent.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 132 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May 12, 2002 (17:31) * 46 lines 
by Gary Van Haas

Namedays are a special and important part of Greek life because
the very names themselves go back to the very beginning of Greek
culture. Coming down to us through the ages are the marvelous
names of heroes, saints and mythological figures such as the
mighty Herakles, Odyessus, Alexander, Socrates, Plato,
Constantine, Helen and many many more. Of course they go on,
and on and in fact, many of them have changed little over time and
are still used today. For instance, the name 'Ioannis' is the derivative
of 'John', and 'Maria' the root for Mary. All these names and more are
all derived from the original Greek.

In the beginning of the Greek Orthodox religion, these celebrations
were mainly observed as 'saint's days, but later became individual
'namedays'. All in all, namedays now are considered much more
important than a person's actual birthday. In most cases, it is a
tradition now in Greece, that when a person has a nameday, he or
she gives a party where refreshments such as coffee, cake, liquor
and hors d' oeuvres are offered to friends and acquaintances alike. In
the work place, it's a little more subdued, but the nameday person
still offers something like sweets or cakes. With small children, the
nameday becomes a more of a celebration where a festive party is
usually given, which continues every year up until about the age of

During a nameday, it's always a good idea to call your friends to
wish them 'chronia polla', or 'have a good year' as a sign of
appreciation, and at this point in the conversation, your friend will
usually let you know if he's having a nameday party or not at his
house. If he is and you are invited, whatever you do, don't come
empty handed because it's customary to take along a gift. Usually a
box of sweets, flowers or a plant will do. In some cases, you can
even have the plant delivered if you can't get to the florist. Another
good idea is to bring along some wine, liquor, or a more personal gift
if you wish, depending on how well you know the person.

In business it's always good to remember namedays as a sign of
mutual respect for bosses and workers alike. In fact, many business
people these days send telegrams to associates and clients on their
nameday as a way of keeping up good public relations. All in all,
namedays are a fun and charming aspect of Greece which are
celebrated with more flare in the small towns and villages.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 133 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May 12, 2002 (17:34) * 1 lines 
I definitely need to pay more attention to John's name day. I came empty-handed!

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 134 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May 12, 2002 (22:57) * 23 lines 
Conference on internationalisation of Greek language

12/05/2002 22:38:09

Scores of ''neo-Hellenists'' from the five continents have scheduled a
crusade at world level with the purpose of internationalising the Greek

University rectors and professors, researchers, secondary education
teachers, scholars, historians and journalists were mobilised to
achieve the ''passing'' of the Greek language as official at all
European and world forums.

The world linguistics conference held in Kavala, northern Greece, under
the auspices of Ecumenical Patriarch Vartholomeos was attended by
university, academy and institute representatives from the United
States and many European countries.

All speakers said in their addresses that the initiative to
internationalise the Greek language has already started to meet with a

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 135 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 15, 2002 (23:04) * 21 lines 
A new Athens due by 2004

The Athens that will host the 2004 Olympics will be a vastly different city to the Athens of today, said a
government spokesman after Prime Minister Costas Simitis, Athens 2004 chief Gianna
Angelopoulos-Daskalaki and ministers involved in the Olympic effort met yesterday to discuss the
capital and its 610-million-euro makeover.

The image and operation of the city, especially during the Olympic Games, is the essence of the
Games themselves and also the source of impressions that the local resident and the Olympic visitor
will come away with, Olympic spokesman Telemachos Hytiris said. The Athens of 2004 will be nothing
like the Athens of 2000.

According to the plan, an estimated 20,000 billboards will be torn down (of which 800 are already
gone), trees will be planted around stadiums and on major thoroughfares leading up to them, buildings
will be renovated, new street signs will be set up, traffic will be reorganized and pedestrian walkways
will be completed around archaeological sites.

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 136 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May 26, 2002 (21:33) * 35 lines 
I also live in a resort destination whose economy depends to a great extent on tourism. But this article I found about Greece also applies to Hawaii and world wide destinations. It is worth reading:

Do's & Dont's

As in any country, there are certain do's and don'ts in Greece. Many times, a
foreigner might think some of these customs strange or may disagree with them,
but we should all respect a country's ways when we visit it.


Even though Greece's archbishop Christodoulos has stated that anyone is welcome
in the Greek-orthodox churches ("come as you are" is a well known quote by him)
people should not show too much naked skin. In monasteries women have to cover
their shoulders and wear long skirts, and men must wear long trousers.
It is sad to see holidaymakers walking into churches and monasteries wearing
swimsuits or women covering shoulders wearing a bikinitop.

Greeks are in general well-dressed, and you should just think what you would wear in a holy place at home. Religious or not, most people find it reasonable not to walk into any kind of church half-naked.
As a guide, I have sometimes been asked by concerned or curious holidaymakers
about how the Greeks see them walking around in bikinis or just shorts and
nothing else. Most people will have noticed on holiday in Greece that the Greeks
themselves almost never walk around that way except on beaches.

The answer is quite simple. Imagine people walking around in bikinis or shorts with
bare upper parts of the body in your own hometown or city. It would look a bit
strange, wouldn't it. Its got nothing to do with weather. The Greek believe
beachwear belong on the beach and nowhere else. They live and work on the
holiday-resorts, surrounded by classmates, colleagues, family and friends.
Now, as far as the tourists are concerned, they understand our longing for the sun
and how we want to relax when on holiday, but they sometimes think we are a little
bit vulgar. But we are excused, we're foreigners!

much more...

 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 137 of 138: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May 26, 2002 (21:35) * 20 lines 
From the same resource (a true treasure for people like me)

The Greek Language

Have you ever tried saying something in Greek to the waiter only
to be totally embarrassed when he, instead of smilingly show his
appreciation, corrects you: "it's kalimEEEra, not kalIIIImera".
Or when you finally pick up the courage to say that horrible word
for thank you, and the Greek person opposite you goes "NA
EISTE KALA" and you have no idea what to reply.

Well, these pages will not give you proper lessons just yet. But
there is quite a bit to learn here. The Greek language is the mother
of almost all Western languages, and the roots haven't gone away.
Many names we use are originally Greek (Philip, Catherine) and if
you click on "Common Words" you will find a list of words we use
today that are actually Greek.


 Topic 40 of 63 [travel]: Greece (Griechenland)
 Response 138 of 138: traveler (cfadm) * Mon, Jul 21, 2008 (20:21) * 1 lines 
Greece basketball team has qualified for the Olympics in the same bracket with the USA, China, Angola, Germany, Spain. Germany has Dallas Mavs Dirk Nowitzki.

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