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Topic 2 of 32: Linux

Sun, Feb 9, 1997 (21:20) | Paul Terry Walhus (terry)
Linux is taking hold pretty quickly and becoming a serious contender for some of
the commercial unix systems.

39 responses total.

 Topic 2 of 32 [unix]: Linux
 Response 1 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (21:20) * 2 lines 
It's len ux as opposed to lie nix as I hear tell.

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 Response 2 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (21:20) * 4 lines 
Caldera Open Linux distribution is announced. $59 now, $300 later.
Like the latest Red Hat, it includes the 2.x kernel with SMP capability.
I understand that Dejanews, with its huge daily hit rate, is run on
SMP Linux boxes.

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 Response 3 of 39: Ian Earl Gorman  (ian) * Thu, Feb 27, 1997 (22:29) * 13 lines 
I use Linux (Slackware from InfoMagic, but other suppliers and versions
are good), along with OS/2, Windows 95, and Windows 3.1/DOS. At work,
I use NT. The company I am working for is switching to Linux for
development -- we supply one set of software to run on about 8 or so
UNIX platforms, all PC platforms, DEC VMS and IBM mainframes. We develop
in UNIX (soon, RedHat Linux) and port to the other platforms. From my
own experience, I think Linux is easier to use, more efficient than, and
more reliable than other PC operating systems. Up to now, however, Linux
has been at a severe disadvantage in terms of the availability of
off-the-shelf software. Thus, we will find it advantageous to use Linux
for R&D, but are not ready to use it for administration. This may change
quite rapidly -- Linux was not a strong contender two years ago, and was
only MINIX five years ago. Caveat Microsoft!

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 Response 4 of 39: Cesar Cardoso  (cacman) * Mon, Mar 10, 1997 (07:53) * 1 lines 
Linux is still weak on off-the-shelf software (OK, we have Applixware from RedHat, but it's far from enough), but this will change in the near future because a lot of non-tech people is discovering that Linux is a great OS. Long live Linux!

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 Response 5 of 39: Ted Chong (tedchong) * Fri, Apr 25, 1997 (00:22) * 5 lines 

I use both Linux and FreeBSD, but found Linux better for people
using DOS previously. I don't need to run GUI so I find Linux
the best interm of speed and reliability.

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 Response 6 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, May 25, 1997 (11:18) * 2 lines 
How does it stack up against the BSDI we use here, Ted? You've been
aroudn our shell.

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 Response 7 of 39: Ted Chong (tedchong) * Fri, May 30, 1997 (21:19) * 7 lines 

I do have 2 BSDI systems around here (in the office) but I think nothing
beats Linux (or FreeBSD) as it is free and easy to setup. I find
Linux is good for almost everything from a small company web server
to a busy medium scale ISP.

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 Response 8 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Sat, May 31, 1997 (11:48) * 7 lines 
I'm going to drift a little. Do you know the step by step procedure to add a 3mb scsi hard drive to As you know, we're real short on hard disk space right now. barton:~ df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/sd0a 9727 5459 3781 59% /
/dev/sd0f 705727 78737 591703 12% /home
/dev/sd0h 198335 177773 10645 94% /usr
/dev/sd0g 63535 57297 3061 95% /var

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 Response 9 of 39: Ted Chong (tedchong) * Sun, Jun  1, 1997 (09:42) * 4 lines 

Terry, which directory is short of space on barton? /home is
only 12% used, still have about 600MB left :-)

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 Response 10 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jun  2, 1997 (08:20) * 11 lines 
/var and /usr are both real full.

I need to add to /var because that's where a bunch of mail
keeps overflowing and filling up the hard drive. I could use
a lot more room there.

I'm thinking about plugging in a 3 gb Quantum and setting it
up as the second drive on www. Any tips on upgrading that
system (step by step procedure). I guess the first would be
to plug it in and run BSDI's disk formatting program. Then
link it to /var as a filesystem.

 Topic 2 of 32 [unix]: Linux
 Response 11 of 39: Ted Chong (tedchong) * Mon, Jun  2, 1997 (09:15) * 9 lines 

For short run you can link /var to /home since /home has
600MB of space. To do this, just run run on shell:

mkdir /home/var ; ln -s /home/var /var

make sure /var is not there in the first place.

 Topic 2 of 32 [unix]: Linux
 Response 12 of 39: terry (terry) * Mon, Jun  2, 1997 (11:22) * 1 lines 

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 Response 13 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jun  2, 1997 (11:27) * 13 lines 
I did this:

barton# mkdir /home/var ; ln -s /home/var /var
barton# df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/sd0a 9727 5459 3781 59% /
/dev/sd0f 705727 77061 593379 11% /home
/dev/sd0h 198335 177773 10645 94% /usr
/dev/sd0g 63535 57773 2585 96% /var

Do I need to reboot for it to take effect now?

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 Response 14 of 39: Ted Chong (tedchong) * Mon, Jun  2, 1997 (19:33) * 20 lines 

Re: /var on barton

Terry, I just did an 'du' on /var at barton and found below
directories has eaten the most space:

17818 ./www
60920 ./account
22142 ./log
8218 ./webdocs

You don't have to reboot barton. What I found you have not link
/var to /home/var, to to this, see below step-by-step:

1. rm -f /home/var
2. mv /var /home/
3. ln -s /home/var /var

This will make a link from /var to /home/var

 Topic 2 of 32 [unix]: Linux
 Response 15 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jun  3, 1997 (09:20) * 5 lines 
OK I'll try that now. Check and see if this works ok?

Let's move this discussion to the BSDI topic ok?

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 Response 16 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Aug 23, 1997 (03:37) * 4 lines 

Torvalds is now the trademark owner for Linux.

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 Response 17 of 39: srl  (steven) * Tue, Oct 27, 1998 (08:38) * 7 lines 
Wow, that's a pretty bad deal (the Trademark suit).
I guess someone _had_ to try it.

so.. what do people like in the way of 'Real Linux Apps' nowadays?
Corel's going to give away their suite for Linux soon, I hear.


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 Response 18 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Oct 27, 1998 (11:14) * 5 lines 
Welcome Steven!

I'm partial to BSDI,a s you can tell, although our newest system is
running FreeBSD.

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 Response 19 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Nov  5, 1998 (14:08) * 94 lines 

From Mon Nov 2 18:54:57 1998
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:54:57 -0500 (EST)
From: James Love
To: Multiple recipients of list INFO-POLICY-NOTES

Subject: the Halloween Document

Info-Policy-Notes | News from Consumer Project on Technology
November 2, 1998

The Halloween Document

Microsoft has confirmed that this internal document, which was
to Eric Raymond, is authentic. It is the Microsoft strategy to deal with
Linux and other free software platforms, referred to as "Open Source
Software" or OSS by the MS author. Eric Raymond has placed an annotated
version of the document on the web at:

The memorandum offers important insight into Microsoft's
of the free/open source software movement. It indicates, for example,
that Microsoft needs to attack the process and the culture of the free
software movement, more than any particular company. Eric Raymond sees
awareness by Microsoft that the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
and its support of open software is a threat to Microsoft's goal of
dominating server markets. These are the excerpts from the document
that Eric placed in his introduction.

Jamie Love 202.387.8030

<------excerpts from the MS OSS Haloween document-------->

* OSS poses a direct, short-term revenue and platform threat to
Microsoft, particularly in server space. Additionally, the intrinsic
parallelism and free idea exchange in OSS has benefits that are not
replicable with our current licensing model and therefore present a long
term developer mindshare threat.

* Recent case studies (the Internet) provide very dramatic evidence
... that commercial quality can be achieved / exceeded by OSS projects.

* understand how to compete against OSS, we must target a
process rather than a company.

* OSS is long-term credible ... FUD tactics can not be used to
combat it.

* Linux and other OSS advocates are making a progressively more
credible argument that OSS software is at least as robust -- if not more
-- than commercial alternatives. The Internet provides an ideal,
high-visibility showcase for the OSS world.

* Linux has been deployed in mission critical, commercial
environments with an excellent pool of public testimonials. ... Linux
outperforms many other UNIXes ... Linux is on track to eventually own
the x86 UNIX market ...

* Linux can win as long as services / protocols are commodities.

* OSS projects have been able to gain a foothold in many server
applications because of the wide utility of highly commoditized, simple
protocols. By extending these protocols and developing new protocols, we
can deny OSS projects entry into the market.

* The ability of the OSS process to collect and harness the
collective IQ of thousands of individuals across the Internet is simply
amazing. More importantly, OSS evangelization scales with the size of
the Internet much faster than our own evangelization efforts appear to

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 Response 20 of 39: The World's Smallest Lummox  (CotC) * Fri, Nov  6, 1998 (10:24) * 1 lines 

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 Response 21 of 39: The World's Smallest Lummox  (CotC) * Fri, Nov  6, 1998 (10:32) * 4 lines 
Time to drift some more. Linux is probably my favorite UNIX. It's easy to set up and administer, it's free, and it'll run on my cheapo Intel hardware at home (which is what keeps AIX from being my favorite UNIX, by the way). Solaris x86 was also cheap ($18, including postage and handling) but if you don't like the fact that there aren't a whole lot of commercial applications for Linux, you're _really_ going to hate Solaris x86 (at least if you want to be able to _afford_ the commercial apps :-}). There's
lso a really limited selection of drivers, and just try and find any useful information for the Intel version on Sun's website... Oh, yeah, it doesn't get along real well with Linux, either. Linux Swap Space and Solaris Native look the same to System Commander, Partition Magic, and a couple different flavors of fdisk.

OK. I feel better now...

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 Response 22 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Nov 10, 1998 (07:40) * 68 lines 
Technology News

Microsoft Saw Linux As Copyright Threat
(11/09/98 5:16 p.m. ET)
By Andy Patrizio, TechWeb
A recently leaked internal Microsoft memo outlining the threat posed by
Linux showed that the company has considered taking legal action against
the free operating system.

"Halloween II" was the second of three memos written by Vinod
Valloppillil, a program manager for Microsoft Proxy Server, describing how
Linux could hurt demand for Windows NT, particularly in the server market.

In a section titled "Process Vulnerabilities," Valloppillil wrote that
Linux will "cream skim" NT Server's best features. He added, "The Linux
community is very willing to copy features from other OSes if it will
serve their needs. Consequently, there is the very real long-term threat
that as MS expends the development dollars to create a bevy of new
features in NT, Linux will simply cherry pick the best features and
incorporate them into their codebase."

Valloppillil concluded: "The effect of patents and copyright in combating
Linux remains to be investigated."

Linux backers say borrowing an innovative idea in the software industry is
something everyone -- including Microsoft -- has done.

"For Microsoft to accuse someone of stealing ideas is a little like the
pot calling the kettle black," said Bob Young, CEO of Red Hat Software, a
Linux vendor.

The statement may reflect the author's lack of knowledge, rather than
company policy, Young said. Earlier this week, Microsoft admitted the
document was genuine, but said it did not plan to act on any of its

"To bluntly make a statement like that, that Microsoft is the innovator
and other people are creaming off them, is a little na´ve," said John
"maddog" Hall, executive director of Linux International, a non-profit

For a company the size and strength of Microsoft to wield the law against
a free OS, developed largely by college students and programmers working
in their spare time, could also be a public-relations disaster for

"I don't think they're that foolish, frankly," said Jerry Davis, founding
partner with Davis & Schroeder, an intellectual-property law firm in
Monterey, Calif. Davis is counsel for Linux International and Linus
Torvalds, the creator of Linux. "Suing the Linux community would do them
so much ill will."

According to Davis, although a copyright gives the owner exclusive rights
to the way in which an idea is expressed, like source code, a fundamental
concept of intellectual-property law is that no one owns an idea. And
Microsoft has borrowed plenty of ideas in the past.

"Microsoft has shamelessly done that with respect to the Apple OS," said
Davis. "They also did it to Digital Research from a product that predated
Windows called GEM, and they've done it repeatedly with application

A Microsoft spokesman was unavailable for comment. The company has
responded with a rebuttal document in which it acknowledges that the
documents are real, but reflect the opinion of one engineer at the
company, and not something being used to drive Microsoft policy.

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 Response 23 of 39: TeknoSlut (tami) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (12:16) * 1 lines 
Linus is responsible for the linux kernal, but not for the entire OS. Most olinux systems contain GNU software developed by the Free Software Foundation (Project GNU).GCC, GDB, emacs - all were developed by Richard Stallman who put them under the GNU General Public License so we could all benefit. Gates has o has used GNU/Linux wants to downgrade to any flavor of microsoft. For a better look at GNU software, visit

 Topic 2 of 32 [unix]: Linux
 Response 24 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jan 25, 1999 (10:58) * 21 lines 

Linux Users Demand Refund

Not from Red hat, from Microsoft. Instead of automatically clicking on
"I Agree" button that says they capitulate to every demand MS makes on
as a condition of using Windows, some have decided to follow the
instructions to "contact the manufacturer for instructions on return of
unused product(s) for a refund". Although Microsoft wrote the language
the agreement, MS spokesman Tom Pilla says as far as his company is
concerned buying the computer with Windows pre-loaded constitutes an
agreement to use it and disqualifies users from a refund; another PR
for Redmond's Goliath seems to be in the making. [irony alert]
More details said to be available at

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 Response 25 of 39: The World's Second Smallest Lummox  (CotC) * Mon, Jan 25, 1999 (11:12) * 1 lines 
Interesting. Please let us know more when you have it...

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 Response 26 of 39: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jan 25, 1999 (22:27) * 1 lines 
too cool, huh, Tommy?

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 Response 27 of 39: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Apr 17, 1999 (07:03) * 3 lines 
Mmm...I've now installed RedHat 5.2 linux and it's more windows crashes for me! Oh, except when I want to listen to some RealAudio. Or print something out. Or use ICQ. :-))

Such is life with minority Operating Systems :)

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 Response 28 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Apr 18, 1999 (16:47) * 2 lines 
Have you read Neal Stephenson's essay on operating systems?

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 Response 29 of 39: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Apr 19, 1999 (15:40) * 1 lines 
nope. where can i find it?

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 Response 30 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Oct 13, 1999 (09:39) * 7 lines 

VA Linux, SGI and O'Reilly (how's about that for a trifecta!) are getting
behind Debian Linux with a big co-marketing deal (including a Star Office

 Topic 2 of 32 [unix]: Linux
 Response 31 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (11:40) * 5 lines 
I'll be watching this in the next couple of days:

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 Response 32 of 39: ls -ralt (sprin5) * Fri, Jan 26, 2001 (09:14) * 11 lines 
I'm just messing around with redhat.

I'm new to rpm, but the way I understand it

rpm -e uninstalls

rpm -i installs

rpm -U upgrades

 Topic 2 of 32 [unix]: Linux
 Response 33 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jun  5, 2001 (17:20) * 20 lines 
Linux in the news

Terry Gross is interviewing Linus on Fresh Air today. You can
hear it on the NPR website by selecting the link to Fresh Air
and looking around for the program link when you get there.

IBM is running enormo double-page ads in the trade magazines this
month with the headline, "Why Linux has more fanatical devotees than
a teen pop idol." Some typical ad-agency smarm copy, and also some
interesting stuff.

"These are not just software advantages, they are real bottom-line
business advantages: reduced cost, faster time-to-market, clear
competitive edge, flexibility."

And this from today's NYT, with a sidebar by

New Economy: Open-Source Movement Advances

 Topic 2 of 32 [unix]: Linux
 Response 34 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Aug 12, 2002 (11:31) * 21 lines 
(ronks) Mon Aug 12 '02 (08:37) 19 lines

Linux At The Edges

As competition develops for its Solaris-based servers from rivals like IBM,
and cost conscious buyers move to clustered Linux systems running on old or
commodity-priced hardware, not to mention the slumparoonie in the dot-com
and telecom industries, Sun Microsystems has seen its revenues fall by about
a third. One apparent response is to rethink its strategy of pushing thin
clients and fat centralized servers. Microsoft has graciously, if
unwittingly, sent an opportunity their way; the new MS policy of forcing
corporate customers to rent software seems to be leading many to look to
Linux as a way to regain control over their systems and costs. So Sun will
introduce its new LX50 server today, a $2800 model running a 1.4 GHz Intel
CPU which the article compares to a $3700 Dell/RedHat unit. Analysts note
Sun's timing is good, since the movement to Linux is still new and IBM and
H-P, though pioneers, don't have a lock on the market. They also speculate
Sun's strategy may be to retain its high-margin Solaris servers at the core
while promoting Linux units "at the edge of the network and in desktop

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 Response 35 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Aug 12, 2002 (16:20) * 4 lines 
Forbes has a lotta linux stuff.

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 Response 36 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Dec  7, 2005 (21:57) * 7 lines

ooops, wrong url.

This is it:

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 Response 37 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Dec  7, 2005 (21:59) * 3 lines

linux tutorials

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 Response 38 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Dec  7, 2005 (22:04) * 4 lines 
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 Response 39 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Dec  7, 2005 (23:06) * 3 lines

fresh isos just like mom used to burn.

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